will the x II become the new Sub?

[Grey.Coupe]

I have a couple new Sub c's and love them. In January though, I bought a Exll42 and it is getting a lot of wrist time. It's a great watch. Mine's white.

Dunno about bumping off the Sub, but like the Sub C, the new Explorer is the update of another classic Rolex, after all.

[karmatp]

The sub is the true sport watch icon, many copy it but never compare.

The new Explorer II's are IMHO, the best modern day Rolex watches on the market. The matte dial is amazing, the size is perfect and the bracelet and clasp balance the watch perfectly. The orange writing on the dial just gives it that extra pop, like the old red subs, add that to the orange hand, pure perfection. I say it over and over, gloss dials are so blah, I have actually come to dislike them. The dial on the 42mm Explorer II's is almost a dark brown at angles, it flat out rocks. Add the dark orange and it is just mesmerizing.

I could not stand the gloss dial on my old sub C, add the shinny bezel insert and it had me wishing I purchased another 14060, which I did.

Then came the Explorer II, perfection in every way. Rolex hit it out of the park and it is the only watch that makes me smile every time I put it on. I can't see myself buying another Rolex watch, why, because the Explorer II is already the most perfect watch ever made by Rolex.

I often wonder when I am out and I see someone wearing a Sub C, I wonder if they even saw the 216570 in the case or if the Ad was out of them when they purchased the Sub C. I think so many are blinded by the iconic status of the Submariner that they never expand their horizons and buy the ultimate Rolex, yup, it's the new 42mm Explorer II.

Out of the 14 or 15 Rolex sport watches I have owned, this one is the ultimate and the only one that I can see on my wrist until I die.

[Tools]

Well, the article cited is from way back in 2010 and it hasn't happened yet..


so, it seems unlikely..

although my Exp II's see way more wrist time than the Subs.. out here in the Desert that fixed bezel makes way more sense..

[Psmith]

I don't think so, although imho it's the best sporty of the bunch unless you specifically 'need' a Sub or GMT. It's certainly more popular than the previous model

If & when the Sub goes to 42 mm (which is what Rolex should have done with this generation imho) I don't think they will be able to build them fast enough...

[dcash0615]

Love my white dial 42MM Exp II, but it will never replace my subs.

[Puffy]

doubt it, def more Subs out in the wild than Exp 42s

[bigrustypig]

The New XPII will face very strong headwinds displacing the Sub. It being the most wanted Rolex is, IMHO, just hype.

[Adam K.]

Originally Posted by karmatp

The sub is the true sport watch icon, many copy it but never compare.

The new Explorer II's are IMHO, the best modern day Rolex watches on the market. The matte dial is amazing, the size is perfect and the bracelet and clasp balance the watch perfectly. The orange writing on the dial just gives it that extra pop, like the old red subs, add that to the orange hand, pure perfection. I say it over and over, gloss dials are so blah, I have actually come to dislike them. The dial on the 42mm Explorer II's is almost a dark brown at angles, it flat out rocks. Add the dark orange and it is just mesmerizing.

I could not stand the gloss dial on my old sub C, add the shinny bezel insert and it had me wishing I purchased another 14060, which I did.

Then came the Explorer II, perfection in every way. Rolex hit it out of the park and it is the only watch that makes me smile every time I put it on. I can't see myself buying another Rolex watch, why, because the Explorer II is already the most perfect watch ever made by Rolex.

I often wonder when I am out and I see someone wearing a Sub C, I wonder if they even saw the 216570 in the case or if the Ad was out of them when they purchased the Sub C. I think so many are blinded by the iconic status of the Submariner that they never expand their horizons and buy the ultimate Rolex, yup, it's the new 42mm Explorer II.

Out of the 14 or 15 Rolex sport watches I have owned, this one is the ultimate and the only one that I can see on my wrist until I die.

Bias fully admitted, I totally agree!

[JJL]

No way, the Sub is already too rich in history to be overcome by a newer model.

[Dino944]

Originally Posted by nitros

i read the the white 42mm X II is the most want rolex, ATM, because most of the collectors start to realised the potential.

is that true?

Collectors realized its potential? Are you kidding? Its a nice watch but its a current production watch. They are making thousands of them each year. Now that production is ramped up, its not hard to find them. The original Explorer 2 is a collectible watch... not the current one.

That said, I like the black dial 42mm Ex2, but I'm not sure I'd choose one over a Sub C. I've tried each on, and I still like the Sub C a lot. Oh, and no bias, I own a previous generation Explorer 2 and a previous generation Sub LV.

[AH0RSEY]

Originally Posted by Dino944

Collectors realized its potential? Are you kidding? Its a nice watch but its a current production watch. They are making thousands of them each year. Now that production is ramped up, its not hard to find them. The original Explorer 2 is a collectible watch... not the current one.

That said, I like the black dial 42mm Ex2, but I'm not sure I'd choose one over a Sub C. I've tried each on, and I still like the Sub C a lot. Oh, and no bias, I own a previous generation Explorer 2 and a previous generation Sub LV.

Maybe the Us got a bunch but I've been quoted here by local AD's over list price if i want one quickly and/or 12 week wait. I've just got a Black one from Europe to go with my white EXPII ( so not in the market ) but yes they are on flea-bay and yes you can get them elsewhere, but they do actually seem to be quite hard to find in the AD's this side of the pond.

[Dino944]

Originally Posted by AH0RSEY

Maybe the Us got a bunch but I've been quoted here by local AD's over list price if i want one quickly and/or 12 week wait. I've just got a Black one from Europe to go with my white EXPII ( so not in the market ) but yes they are on flea-bay and yes you can get them elsewhere, but they do actually seem to be quite hard to find in the AD's this side of the pond.

I've walked into AD here and seem them in the show cases. So it may depend on where you are...but I've yet to see them over list price at any ADs I've visited. In addition, a 12 week wait isn't really a big deal. I've waited that long to get a watch back from service.

[WatchingTime]

I cannot say if the New EXP II will become the new black (or sub I should say!), but it does appear from all my reading to have a rapidly GROWING following with the new 42 mm size, orange hand, new bracelet, new movement, etc.

I repeatedly hear on this forum how Rolex "got this one right". Any way you slice it, it's in a category of it's own!

P.s. I tried the EXP II on today. Very comfortable, easy to read time, VERY nice indeed.

[Puffy]

you can still find brand new 16570s here in the UK..

[polarinda]

The sub is Rolex. Anything else is a derivative.

[nitros]

Originally Posted by polarinda

The sub is Rolex. Anything else is a derivative.

date o no date is the real one?

[polarinda]

Originally Posted by nitros

date o no date is the real one?

both

[bayerische]

Why would "collectors" mind a brand new in daily production Rolex?

This is internet Hype...

AD's are full of Explorer 2's.

[WatchingTime]

I agree that the Sub will eventually go to 42mm. 5 years? I dunno, but watches in general are not getting any smaller. It appears the new EXP II is just a little ahead of the curve.

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by Psmith

I don't think so, although imho it's the best sporty of the bunch unless you specifically 'need' a Sub or GMT. It's certainly more popular than the previous model

If & when the Sub goes to 42 mm (which is what Rolex should have done with this generation imho) I don't think they will be able to build them fast enough...

Hallelujah!!

You are a profit, a genius and a man among men sir!!

[Vincent65]

I don't think anything will ever 'replace' the Sub, and I don't think it will go to 42mm either.

[sierra11b]

Unless they taper the lugs of the C-cases the same 42mm ExpII case would be doing the the Sub a favor. To me any way, the 42mm case is far more balanced than the Maxi cases.

[Silvio Mosiello]

No effin way imho

[ispep]

Originally Posted by nitros

Really guys, Is rolex planing to make a 42 Sub?

The already have a 42 Sub . It's called the deep sea sea dweller. I believe they will make a 42 GMT. Rolex basically made a second version of their line up. For example Day Date 2, Exp 2, Date Just 2, Yacht Master 2, Sub 2(DSSD), so now they are just missing a GMT 2 and eventually a Daytona 2. Hopefully they add a date to the new Daytona.

[Megalobyte]

Originally Posted by Chipmunk

I'll file a complaint if they did.

Well that should stop them dead in their tracks! :)

The new Exp. is popular because it's new, in a year or 2, when the hype fades, and supply easily meets demand, it'll be just the Explorer, and nowhere near as popular as a Sub. I'd guess the Sub is bought at least 10 to 1 over the Exp. maybe way more than that. The Exp has always been the least popular SS sport model and I don't see that changing. Its unpopularity is actually a selling point for many who like to fly under the radar. Of course I don't mean it's unpopular, rather less popular than the Sub and GMT.

[tkerrmd]

Originally Posted by nitros

i read the the white 42mm X II is the most want rolex, ATM, because most of the collectors start to realised the potential.

is that true?

short answer, NO

[Hoppyjr]

Originally Posted by karmatp

The sub is the true sport watch icon, many copy it but never compare.

The new Explorer II's are IMHO, the best modern day Rolex watches on the market. The matte dial is amazing, the size is perfect and the bracelet and clasp balance the watch perfectly. The orange writing on the dial just gives it that extra pop, like the old red subs, add that to the orange hand, pure perfection. I say it over and over, gloss dials are so blah, I have actually come to dislike them. The dial on the 42mm Explorer II's is almost a dark brown at angles, it flat out rocks. Add the dark orange and it is just mesmerizing.

I could not stand the gloss dial on my old sub C, add the shinny bezel insert and it had me wishing I purchased another 14060, which I did.

Then came the Explorer II, perfection in every way. Rolex hit it out of the park and it is the only watch that makes me smile every time I put it on. I can't see myself buying another Rolex watch, why, because the Explorer II is already the most perfect watch ever made by Rolex.

I often wonder when I am out and I see someone wearing a Sub C, I wonder if they even saw the 216570 in the case or if the Ad was out of them when they purchased the Sub C. I think so many are blinded by the iconic status of the Submariner that they never expand their horizons and buy the ultimate Rolex, yup, it's the new 42mm Explorer II.

Out of the 14 or 15 Rolex sport watches I have owned, this one is the ultimate and the only one that I can see on my wrist until I die.

I have to agree with Trevor - the size and comfort make this the best Rolex I've ever owned or tried on. I also agree that many folks are sucked in to that Rolex Submariner mystique (I was!) and don't even consider other models. I've always marched to a different drum, so my first Rolex was a 36mm Explorer 1 - which many folks thought was an AirKing. I didn't care, I knew what I liked and I thought "simple is good" - no rotating bezels, no flash, just function. IMHO, the Explorer models are the most function-over-form models in the lineup today. If they made a 42-44mm Explorer 1 (with appropriately sized hands) I'd be wearing one today. The only two things I'd change about my 216570 Polar would be to have no-date (or no cyclops) and the Glidelock clasp of the Sub, for more adjustment.

Best,

Hoppy

[kkwn98]

Originally Posted by nitros

Really guys, Is rolex planing to make a 42 Sub?

Let me check my crystal ball and then get back to you...

Seriously, how do you expect anyone to answer this in a meaningful way? As if any of us here would know?

[nitros]

An insider perhaps ;)

[drhanson]

Originally Posted by ispep

The already have a 42 Sub . It's called the deep sea sea dweller. I believe they will make a 42 GMT. Rolex basically made a second version of their line up. For example Day Date 2, Exp 2, Date Just 2, Yacht Master 2, Sub 2(DSSD), so now they are just missing a GMT 2 and eventually a Daytona 2. Hopefully they add a date to the new Daytona.

You may be onto something there, I wonder if the 42mm Exp II was a way for Rolex to test the 42mm waters before going that route on their more bread and butter models. I'd venture to guess that the 16570 was one of the lowest volume sellers in the Rolex line. If a company were to test something shockingly controversial, they'd likely do it on a model that's not very popular, hence making the 16560 the 216570.

Rolex is super conservative, I can imagine many heated debates regarding a 42mm GMT and the compromise was to see what the 42mm case did to the sales volume of the lackluster Explorer II. I just put new batteries in my crystal ball, it says 42mm GMT announced in '13, 42mm Sub a few years in the future if the GMT sees a decent up-tick in sales volume (the DSSD is too thick to fill the void......wait that's an oxymoron isn't it?)