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lefty1999 · 20 March 2015, 04:56 AM

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1. Where did you get the data on Rolex sales ? I would really love if you can give me the breakdown as I'm interested to see in comparison the actual sales figures of DD vs DD2 year by year.

2. If you think DD2 is such a failure, then the prices on secondary market would have reflected that. But no, the value of used DD2 is on par with other PM Rolex models. And if they're not selling well as you said, surely dealers will offer huge discount, much more than DD's discount. But no, the discount is more or less the same. How do you explain that

1. from the ADs that I dealt with since the release of the DD2 and I know and trust through the years. Rolex doesn't give their numbers as it isn't a public company but you can ask and also follow the movement of stock if you visit frequently I would really like for others to chime in if they got a different info on this in all honesty.

2. I would agree with you on the price although there isn't the number of DD2 for sale in proportion to the DD check for example Chrono24 and see page after page how many DD you can count and how many DD2 a big part of that is age obviously but even if you looked at the newer models its still much more available

kilyung · 20 March 2015, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by DubaiWatchGuy

I really think the amazing improvements Rolex have actually made on the new DayDate are being over looked by the size reduction! I think the fact that theyve added ceramic into the bracelet to prevent stretch is a huge step ! I want a Day date II but I just wouldn't be happy if I couldn't keep it forever as they do lose so much value and along with stretch a bracelet replacement is so expensive.
Now the new ceramic inserts I wont have to worry about the long term life of my bracelet!

You do know that Rolex has been using ceramic sleeves on the DD2's permanent links for some time now right?

bdex75 · 20 March 2015, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

1) I own a "mistake" DD2
2) I'm not a rapper nor do I think it looks garish

And I like that the platinum on the new DD40 has the smooth bezel. Not at all a fan of the other bezel.

So Mike, when are you "upgrading"???😃

With Tudor making the Pelagos in blue maybe I can get a good deal on the "old" DD2 and get the "Kilyung Starter Kit" going??

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kilyung · 20 March 2015, 05:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bdex75

And I like that the platinum on the new DD40 has the smooth bezel. Not at all a fan of the other bezel.

So Mike, when are you "upgrading"???��

With Tudor making the Pelagos in blue maybe I can get a good deal on the "old" DD2 and get the "Kilyung Starter Kit" going??

I may pickup a YG DD40 but no way I'm letting my plat DD41 go!

smartson · 20 March 2015, 05:05 AM

DD40 is perfect replacement of original DD. DDII is unique in its own way.

DubaiWatchGuy · 20 March 2015, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

You do know that Rolex has been using ceramic sleeves on the DD2's permanent links for some time now right?

I had no idea! It was always the one thing I thought of when wanting to get one was the stretch problem.

I just watched a blog to watches video on it and they said they just updated with these ceramic sleeves! The way he said it, it sounded like it was a new introduction! Thanks for the info

DVR · 20 March 2015, 05:33 AM

From the perspective of the new Rolex management the DDII was clearly a mistake, otherwise it would not have been discontinued and replaced by an all new model after such an extremely short production run.

The 'problem' with the DDII has never been the size but the proportions. The relation between dial size and bezel is 'off'. Not by much but when you compare it to the DD36 it is quite evident.
It is that 'mistake' that has been corrected today and they did a superb job !
The new movement is the icing on the cake.

My opinion of course !

landroverking · 20 March 2015, 05:40 AM

The 36mm is a classic. The 41mm just another oversized fade.

breitlings · 20 March 2015, 05:45 AM

I think DD2 wasn't a mistake but a transitional model. I didn't know it had ceramic inserts, that's cool.

Wesley Crusher · 20 March 2015, 05:51 AM

I won't say that the DD2 was a mistake, but the DD40 is an awesome update. The size difference is next to nothing, but the proportions on the new model are perfect. Combined with the updated movement, I think this is a great update.

I hope Rolex does something similar with the DJ2 next year.

The Joker · 20 March 2015, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

1) I own a "mistake" DD2
2) I'm not a rapper nor do I think it looks garish

Notorious Mikey K

Solo118 · 20 March 2015, 06:23 AM

I can't agree that the DD2 was a mistake. It brought Rolex to another level when the sales started rolling in. For a while customers were looking elsewhere when they could only get a 36mm DD. I still adore the DD2, and hope to get one if the prices drop once the DD40 becomes available to the public.

lefty1999 · 20 March 2015, 06:27 AM

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From the perspective of the new Rolex management the DDII was clearly a mistake, otherwise it would not have been discontinued and replaced by an all new model after such an extremely short production run.

The 'problem' with the DDII has never been the size but the proportions. The relation between dial size and bezel is 'off'. Not by much but when you compare it to the DD36 it is quite evident.
It is that 'mistake' that has been corrected today and they did a superb job !
The new movement is the icing on the cake.

My opinion of course !

the new manager fixed a lot of things when he was in Zenith watches you are right, that's why they got him I guess ..

lefty1999 · 20 March 2015, 06:35 AM

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I can't agree that the DD2 was a mistake. It brought Rolex to another level when the sales started rolling in. For a while customers were looking elsewhere when they could only get a 36mm DD. I still adore the DD2, and hope to get one if the prices drop once the DD40 becomes available to the public.

I agree with you they planed it so it can offer the classic DD to a whole new generation namely the size .. problem is they went about it wrong in my opinion the DD is so iconic that's by fiddling in the proportions they lost the real essence of the classic watch the above was all corrected in this current offering..

I think the new 40m DD is what they should have done the first time and its a cracking piece

FremStar · 20 March 2015, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

1) I own a "mistake" DD2
2) I'm not a rapper nor do I think it looks garish

Don't worry Mike, I also own this travesty of a watch as well and made the mistake of buying it too! Hahaha!!!

I was a rapper in the year 2025 so I guess I fit this stupid sterotype... Oh well...

Tan · 20 March 2015, 06:43 AM

DD2 was not a mistake.

superdog · 20 March 2015, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by FremStar

Don't worry Mike, I also own this travesty of a watch as well and made the mistake of buying it too! Hahaha!!!

I was a rapper in the year 2025 so I guess I fit this stupid sterotype... Oh well...

that blue wave....i know you have heard me say this before but....

: drul:

so nice

cmcm3 · 20 March 2015, 06:51 AM

I reckon DJ2 will get the bullet next year. They've got the new OP case that would do the job perfectly for a large DJ and get the proportionality back closer to those of the original 36mm.

fishingbear · 20 March 2015, 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

You do know that Rolex has been using ceramic sleeves on the DD2's permanent links for some time now right?

What year did Rolex start this? I had no idea but what a huge improvement!

brandrea · 20 March 2015, 07:03 AM

I believe they did this with the introduction of the DD2, 2008 ish .....

DubaiWatchGuy · 20 March 2015, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by brandrea

I believe they did this with the introduction of the DD2, 2008 ish .....

I wonder if they have improved it again some how. I cant wait to get my hands on a new DD.

Alpino · 20 March 2015, 07:16 AM

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Ceramic inserts introduced in 2008 for platinum 83216 bracelet only.

Same inserts in the Daytona Platinum 78596 bracelet 2 years ago.

With the new DD 40 (as well as the new DJ 39mm Pearlmaster) , it's the 1st time Rolex use these ceramic inserts not only for platinum bracelets but also for gold bracelets.

pain888 · 20 March 2015, 07:16 AM

i joined the mistake club .
im also asian.
i feel such a ass now with the mistake.

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NOT! LOVE IT!

:c heers:

Psmith · 20 March 2015, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by pain888

i joined the mistake club .
im also asian.
i feel such a ass now with the mistake.

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NOT! LOVE IT!

:c heers:

Love that dial Tony

Viva DDII

pain888 · 20 March 2015, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Psmith

Love that dial Tony

Viva DDII

Thanks AND VIVA DDII

USALV · 20 March 2015, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Eric Chan

I would tend to agree with item #2. I can't speak about AD's around the world, but according to my local AD's, the DD II is a great seller and in the past 2 years have outsold the DD on a regular basis. In terms of discounts, the same amount is offered for both the DD and DD II. My contact was as shocked as I that the DD II is being discontinued as it is one of their best PM sellers.

Wait a minute!! The DJII is being discontinued?

zeuloa · 20 March 2015, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by lefty1999

in my opinion Rolex thought process is the following:

DJ2 for a younger generation looks cool and flashy enough and they don't care (or know) how it looked in 1945

DD2 older customers who are refined and they thought this watch is garish and made them look like rappers (unless thy ARE rappers and in that case they loved it) hated it and they are the guys with the big bucks

conclusion: DJ2 will live forever and for god sake Rolex please make a Jubilee bracelet for the darn thing

thank you

I have a feeling there will be a new DJ39 (As the PearlMaster) or DJ40 next year, whichever will have the new 3235 movement.

Boothroyd · 20 March 2015, 07:32 AM

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Originally Posted by superdog

that blue wave....i know you have heard me say this before but....

: drul:

so nice

I have to second that. That's the DD2 "mistake" I have always drooled and will always drool over!

USALV · 20 March 2015, 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by USALV

Wait a minute!! The DJII is being discontinued?

okay I see that the DJII 41 is getting replaced with the 40mm.

Racerdj · 20 March 2015, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

1) I own a "mistake" DD2
2) I'm not a rapper nor do I think it looks garish

Same here!!

20 March 2015, 05:05 AM	#65
smartson "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Roger Location: Toronto Posts: 604	DD40 is perfect replacement of original DD. DDII is unique in its own way. __________________ 116610LV Tudor 79190 Seiko MM300 Seiko SDGM001

20 March 2015, 05:33 AM	#67
DVR "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Denis Location: Flanders, EU Watch: Diver watches Posts: 2,009	From the perspective of the new Rolex management the DDII was clearly a mistake, otherwise it would not have been discontinued and replaced by an all new model after such an extremely short production run. The 'problem' with the DDII has never been the size but the proportions. The relation between dial size and bezel is 'off'. Not by much but when you compare it to the DD36 it is quite evident. It is that 'mistake' that has been corrected today and they did a superb job ! The new movement is the icing on the cake. My opinion of course ! __________________ AP - BP - UN - GO - GS - JLC - RLX

20 March 2015, 06:51 AM	#78
cmcm3 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,112	I reckon DJ2 will get the bullet next year. They've got the new OP case that would do the job perfectly for a large DJ and get the proportionality back closer to those of the original 36mm. __________________ Platona with stickers off club.

20 March 2015, 07:16 AM	#83
pain888 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Tony Location: Rolex Land Posts: 576	i joined the mistake club . im also asian. i feel such a ass now with the mistake. NOT! LOVE IT! :c heers: __________________ M116519 WG, M16622, 116610LN, 218235(Olive), 116710(Batman), 126710(Pepsi), 116500(Black) AP ROYAL OAK OFFSHORE CHRONOGRAPH SEIKO SRP773 "LIVE LIFE TO THE FULLEST"

20 March 2015, 05:40 AM	#68
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	The 36mm is a classic. The 41mm just another oversized fade.

20 March 2015, 05:45 AM	#69
breitlings Banned Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Bethesda Watch: Apple TV Posts: 5,744	I think DD2 wasn't a mistake but a transitional model. I didn't know it had ceramic inserts, that's cool.

20 March 2015, 05:51 AM	#70
Wesley Crusher "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Real Name: Wes Location: Holosuite Posts: 6,345	I won't say that the DD2 was a mistake, but the DD40 is an awesome update. The size difference is next to nothing, but the proportions on the new model are perfect. Combined with the updated movement, I think this is a great update. I hope Rolex does something similar with the DJ2 next year.

20 March 2015, 06:23 AM	#72
Solo118 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 6,092	I can't agree that the DD2 was a mistake. It brought Rolex to another level when the sales started rolling in. For a while customers were looking elsewhere when they could only get a 36mm DD. I still adore the DD2, and hope to get one if the prices drop once the DD40 becomes available to the public.

20 March 2015, 06:43 AM	#76
Tan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Canada Watch: PP 5320G Posts: 1,259	DD2 was not a mistake.

20 March 2015, 07:03 AM	#80
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,129	I believe they did this with the introduction of the DD2, 2008 ish .....

20 March 2015, 07:16 AM	#82
Alpino "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Paris Posts: 2,557	. Ceramic inserts introduced in 2008 for platinum 83216 bracelet only. Same inserts in the Daytona Platinum 78596 bracelet 2 years ago. With the new DD 40 (as well as the new DJ 39mm Pearlmaster) , it's the 1st time Rolex use these ceramic inserts not only for platinum bracelets but also for gold bracelets.

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