2021 Submariner

[barneb10]

Originally Posted by 007_Omega

They'll trim down the lugs. How much is the question but there is no way they'll keep this maxi-case untouched.

As a far reach, Rolex may increase the size, still with trimmer lugs, but no way they are going to make the watch smaller than 40mm.

Rolex has made 0 indication that they will downsize, except when it comes to trimming down lugs. 40mm is already a pretty conservative size these days and Rolex would be playing with fire by offering smaller watches to the mainstream male.

Where have they hinted to trimming down the lugs?

[abozz]

I think Rolex will delay the Sub until 2022 at leat wainting for the world economy recover from this horrible year

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[007_Omega]

Originally Posted by barneb10

Where have they hinted to trimming down the lugs?

Look at every single model that has been updated. They’ve consistently trimmed down lugs, even if slight.


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[Muxi]

Originally Posted by Alexexec

Word on the inter webs is that this was the original intention for the yachtmaster, however word is Rolex decided against this and created a new line for this watch and used one of their trademarked names.

The case shape, dimensions, comfort plus the extra bling of the yachtmaster is perfect for me which satisfied the wants and pushed the sub and gmt further down the must have list.

Wouldn’t say the yachtmaster has identity issues at all, the sub will always remain as the superb simple traditional toolish watch that it is, but the yachtmaster goes in the comfort, fancy, refined direction and holds its own well as a lot of people are after just that.

Agree. YM is very comfortable.

[psd1966]

I am guessing the new sub will be the same case as the SD43 with sub bezel (i.e. no military markers) and due to reduced depth requirements compared to SD will be not be a high and so sit much more comfortably on wrist for most people. Probably wrong though! Ps only took 8 yrs to reach 100 posts!!

[Meyrin]

I don't think that Rolex will ever change the Sub 40mm case size...it´s worked incredibly well for them since 1953, and it´s not as if they have problems selling them! But I'm only guessing (and hoping!) here, as only secretive Rolex knows!

[barneb10]

Originally Posted by 007_Omega

Look at every single model that has been updated. They’ve consistently trimmed down lugs, even if slight.


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Ok. I'll take a look at them.
Which models do you see getting thinner? I'm really in the dark on this. I thought the current 6-digit serial were the latest lines and, with that, brought with them the larger size dimensions.

[Nav01L]

Originally Posted by barneb10

Ok. I'll take a look at them.
Which models do you see getting thinner? I'm really in the dark on this. I thought the current 6-digit serial were the latest lines and, with that, brought with them the larger size dimensions.

I think he’s referring to the DJ41 replacing the DJ II and the new DJ36 replacing the older model. The GMT presumably also got a „new geometry“ to its lugs when the BLRO came out, though having had both a BLRO and an older LN, there’s no really perceptible difference there.

[maximilianmuller]

watches are getting bigger, not smaller !!

[maximilianmuller]

Only the SD43 was made smaller than the Deepsea for the most PERFECT size possible.

[Jpccarguy]

Originally Posted by peterpl

They wont make it smaller thats for sure.

Its a higher probability they make it larger than smaller.

But if Rolex makes a smaller Datejust and a smaller YachtMaster, why not add a smaller size, instead of replacing?

[EzraPound]

Originally Posted by 2000-NJDEVILS

For 67 years the Submariner has been 40mm - very unlikely that Rolex would change that. If you desire a larger case, may I suggest a 44 mm Sea Dweller - but be prepared for the much heavier case and feel....

What about the references: 6204, 6205, 6536, 5505, 6200 all 37mm (I think) and the 6538 (I think 38mm). I thought the 5512 was the first 40mm Submariner.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by barneb10

Where have they hinted to trimming down the lugs?

They haven't. And there is no "statement" from Rolex stating anything.

[illiguy]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

They haven't. And there is no "statement" from Rolex stating anything.

Agree. I’d be very surprised if they tinkered with the Supercase and Maxi Dial. New movement (3235), almost a certainty (at least in PM and maybe the SubC Date).

[legedema]

whats wrong with the current movement ?

[GBD]

Prior to the six digit subs the case of every previous sub was less than 40mm. So it's changed over time, but it's only gotten bigger. I could maybe see it getting larger, but doubt the case would get smaller. If anything the lugs could get slimmed down or at least get chamfers.

[Xenon]

Originally Posted by DTap

Maybe narrow the lugs a bit...

Your lips to God's ears...

[Ensign]

I doubt it - fellas have been saying the Sub will get smaller lugs for years now.

If you want a smaller Sub and don’t want to go second hand or NOS, have a look at a black face OP or even a Datejust on an oyster with a smooth bezel.

If a new Sub is released, I hope you are a VIP ‘cause it will command a premium on the grey market.

[Psmith]

Nobody knows, but it's already on the small side for a modern diver so if they were to go smaller it would be another version (say a 'Sub 37' like the YM) to run alongside. It's fun to speculate... perhaps they'll increase the size and reshape the case, or change the Sub Date and leave the Sub (ND) as-is, or match the Sub Date to the SD43? Many things possible, or they may just do nothing at all
For those who want a small, retro-style diver from Big R, Tudor is the only option and it's likely to remain that way imo.

[thesingularity7]

My bet is on just a new movement and maybe a small aesthetic change (colored text) to keep us excited.

[bezler]

Originally Posted by barneb10

Where have they hinted to trimming down the lugs?

There's no need for them to hint. After a decade of polarized opinion among fans of the brand , they know they've got a problem that needs to be addressed.

[mic6]

Slimmer lugs (40mm or 41mm case)
Updated movement
Hulk gone for ever
No-date gone for ever
Ceramic Kermit appears

You read it first here

[Psmith]

A reshaped, yet overall larger case would certainly cause some conflicted reactions... I can hear it now - "darn Rolex fixed the lugs but now it's too big!", etc. ad infinitum...

[ian.thomas]

I heard the Sub is going to 48mm and the SD is going to 55mm.

Rolex didn't close because of CV-19, it was to re-tool for the next wave of Super-Rolexeseses.

[Bigblu10]

Originally Posted by bezler

There's no need for them to hint. After a decade of polarized opinion among fans of the brand , they know they've got a problem that needs to be addressed.

You mean after a decade of never happy crybabies on a watch forum.
How do you "know" they know they have a problem?
They sell every Submariner they make, and can't still make enough of them.
That is a good "problem" to have.
I happen to own a gold one and have no problem with it.

[Ihatecheese]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

You mean after a decade of never happy crybabies on a watch forum.
How do you "know" they know they have a problem?
They sell every Submariner they make, and can't still make enough of them.
That is a good "problem" to have.
I happen to own a gold one and have no problem with it.

Yep!

[18078pres]

Originally Posted by maximilianmuller

watches are getting bigger, not smaller !!

The opposite

[palooka68]

Originally Posted by Psmith

Nobody knows, but it's already on the small side for a modern diver so if they were to go smaller it would be another version (say a 'Sub 37' like the YM) to run alongside. It's fun to speculate... perhaps they'll increase the size and reshape the case, or change the Sub Date and leave the Sub (ND) as-is, or match the Sub Date to the SD43? Many things possible, or they may just do nothing at all
For those who want a small, retro-style diver from Big R, Tudor is the only option and it's likely to remain that way imo.

Agree, my 114060 seems tiny to me, in comparison to my Breitling Super Ocean (and I don't think that is a particularly big watch either)

[padi56]

Originally Posted by legedema

whats wrong with the current movement ?

Absolutely nothing but in today's age minds more or newer is always better, but this is not always the case.Just wonder how many with the 32 movements will stick them on one of these machine so called winder things even with the extra P/R.The main Achilles heel in most all of the Rolex 31 series movements like the cal 3135 Cal 3155, cal 3185/6 is the rotor shaft bearings, and IMHO its the 3 series movements weakest link the rotor winding sleeve bearings. Now these need proper lubrication and its very critical its done right,if it dries out especially in warm climates you will get severe wear in the bearing jewels especially if sat on a machine winder 24/7.Looks like to me Rolex has sacrificed a bit in the engineering department for better winding efficiency. IMHO the small diameter winding post don't offer enough support to the rotor weight, but again some go on for decades without service, but many fail for the lack of it.But the rotor shaft etc not expensive to replace on the 31 series,but on the 32 series the whole shaft bearing rotor will have to be replaced which will be quite expensive

[bezler]

Originally Posted by Bigblu10

You mean after a decade of never happy crybabies on a watch forum.
How do you "know" they know they have a problem?

Oh please.

Do you really think Rolex is unaware that their icon is polarizing among their community? Do you think they view that polarization as a good thing?