Boutiques Not Taking Deposits on 15202 or Blue 15400

[hillcrestboy2002]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

AP decided to use the service center as their retail operation and call it a lounge, so no boutique for us. Since AP took over distribution themselves from Marcus in the UK supply to AD's has actually gotten tighter with the popular pieces. The 15450 is a great watch but due to the size it tends to be more widely available.

Call the Lounge (APSC) they can probably get it for you pretty quickly or give you a pretty good estimate of time if you dont want to wait for an AD to get one. It located at Brooks Mews. Its hard to find because its in an alley but its a block or two from Wempe.

You are referring to the 37mm right? If you are talking 39mm or 41 in blue that is correct no AD's get those. AP Lounge is the only option.

Thanks again, great info. When I am a little more liquid after the Xmas holidays I will seek them out. Cheers.

[tonupbklyn]

wonder if the jumbo is heading the way of pp5711/12. just saw one in the classifieds sold...and asking price was nearly 30!

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by tonupbklyn

wonder if the jumbo is heading the way of pp5711/12. just saw one in the classifieds sold...and asking price was nearly 30!

still not a 5711 type premium. Its up but lagging the Patek wave of secondary market inflation. Odd because arguably less jumbos are produced than 5711's. I see way less around so its just a feeling. Everyone on the Patek forum seems to have a 11 or 12. Not so with the jumbo over here.

[tng11]

Originally Posted by tonupbklyn

wonder if the jumbo is heading the way of pp5711/12. just saw one in the classifieds sold...and asking price was nearly 30!

I really doubt it sold at that asking price. The premiums have not gone up nearly as much as the 5711/12. An uptick from 18/19K for pre-owned to 22-22.7K, which is relatively minor compared to the 5711/12. I think the explanation for that is simple - there are a lot more configurations of Royal Oak available and in stock, whereas the 15202 is a niche piece. The 15400 is more readily available and probably what your first-time AP buyer gets.

To add to this thread, I was told by the HK IFC boutique that they have not received another 15202 since selling their last one to me in July 2017. Waitlist is now 30 solid and they're not accepting deposits anymore.

If anyone wants my 15202 at 30K - it's yours. Then I could justify paying a premium for a 5712/1A.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by tng11

I really doubt it sold at that asking price. The premiums have not gone up nearly as much as the 5711/12. An uptick from 18/19K for pre-owned to 22-22.7K, which is relatively minor compared to the 5711/12. I think the explanation for that is simple - there are a lot more configurations of Royal Oak available and in stock, whereas the 15202 is a niche piece. The 15400 is more readily available and probably what your first-time AP buyer gets.

To add to this thread, I was told by the HK IFC boutique that they have not received another 15202 since selling their last one to me in July 2017. Waitlist is now 30 solid and they're not accepting deposits anymore.

If anyone wants my 15202 at 30K - it's yours. Then I could justify paying a premium for a 5712/1A.

seems so strange if thats accurate. I do believe it, so im not questioning that.

AP seems to have much bigger issues with delivering popular pieces than Patek. Patek's sports line up across all price levels and variations all sell out. AP on the other hand has many, many models in that same price or similar price points that sit for ever and the ones that do sell out they seem content to not shift production toward meeting demand and creating easy sales.

Many RO variants and many ROO variants don't sell. Every Patek sports model has a wait list. Its bad planning IMO. Creating a new dual time in SS and on a strap that was a flop vs making more 15202's is a recent example not to mention the green divers.

[tng11]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

seems so strange if thats accurate. I do believe it, so im not questioning that.

AP seems to have much bigger issues with delivering popular pieces than Patek. Patek's sports line up across all price levels and variations all sell out. AP on the other hand has many, many models in that same price or similar price points that sit for ever and the ones that do sell out they seem content to not shift production toward meeting demand and creating easy sales.

Many RO variants and many ROO variants don't sell. Every Patek sports model has a wait list. Its bad planning IMO. Creating a new dual time in SS and a strap that was a flop vs making more 15202's is a recent example.

My theory is that the 15202s are produced in batches. I've seen a bunch online (pre-owned and new) that are anywhere from 3-200 numbers apart from mine. I have not seen another 15202 with a serial number above J58XXX yet.

I think Patek has a similar problem in that a lot of their non-Aquanaut and Nautilus models seem to languish in inventory at a lot of ADs. Their sports model lineup is more narrow than AP, and certainly they could shift some more production over to the sports lines, but they have not done so.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by tng11

My theory is that the 15202s are produced in batches. I've seen a bunch online (pre-owned and new) that are anywhere from 3-200 numbers apart from mine. I have not seen another 15202 with a serial number above J58XXX yet.

I think Patek has a similar problem in that a lot of their non-Aquanaut and Nautilus models seem to languish in inventory at a lot of ADs. Their sports model lineup is more narrow than AP, and certainly they could shift some more production over to the sports lines, but they have not done so.

yes, thats what im saying, except with AP doing that not Patek as AP is more sports model centered but i think everyone agrees that funky colors is a waste of production capacity.

I honestly have never even seen a JA in an AD ever. I have seen millenary but its not really a dress watch so for all intents and purposes AP is a sports watch company. I give Patek a pass for not shifting too much capacity to being more sports centered.

[tng11]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

yes, thats what im saying, except with AP doing that not Patek as AP is more sports model centered but i think everyone agrees that funky colors is a waste of production capacity.

Haha, might not be your or my cup of tea, but apparently the funky colours have been selling very well in Asia. Apparently, they're completely sold out in Hong Kong.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by tng11

Haha, might not be your or my cup of tea, but apparently the funky colours have been selling very well in Asia. Apparently, they're completely sold out in Hong Kong.

its always interesting to see market preferences as i wouldn't have guessed unless Roger bought them all, I thought he had a green one at one point

[2nastie]

Originally Posted by tng11

Haha, might not be your or my cup of tea, but apparently the funky colours have been selling very well in Asia. Apparently, they're completely sold out in Hong Kong.

Hahaha funny you say that and it kind of makes sense why this is the case.

For most western trends (North America and Europe), it appears that fashion is heading towards minimalistic looks. Everything focusing on clean lines, basic colors (or lack of color for that matter) with black, white, and grey (little bit of beige/tan/brown for clothing) and sometimes a splash of vivid color like a red or yellow to highlight an aspect of the item.

Meanwhile in Asia, they need for “uniqueness” and more of an opposite fashion statement pushes people to the more colorful pieces (like the full on paint it bright colors). As well as purchasing of the sometimes Gody and limited pieces where we won’t simply touch regardless of how scarce it may be.

I see it all the time in Vancouver in absolutely anything from cars, clothing, furniture, etc. (incase anyone doesn’t know, we experience one of the largest influx of weathier individuals from Asia, with China mainly, similar to that of richer oil money countries from the Middle East into the UK)

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by 2nastie

Hahaha funny you say that and it kind of makes sense why this is the case.

For most western trends (North America and Europe), it appears that fashion is heading towards minimalistic looks. Everything focusing on clean lines, basic colors (or lack of color for that matter) with black, white, and grey (little bit of beige/tan/brown for clothing) and sometimes a splash of vivid color like a red or yellow to highlight an aspect of the item.

Meanwhile in Asia, they need for “uniqueness” and more of an opposite fashion statement pushes people to the more colorful pieces. As well as purchasing of the sometimes Gody and limited pieces where we won’t simply touch regardless of how scarce it maybe.

I see it all the time in Vancouver in absolutely anything from cars, clothing, furniture, etc. (incase anyone doesn’t know, we experience one of the largest influx individuals from Asia, with China mainly, similar to that of richer oil money countries from the Middle East into the UK)

it reminds me of the interview i saw with IWC CEO where he said the Da Vinci was the flagship model in most of Europe which surprised me, but the pilot was more of a north america thing, Portofino for SE asia. I would have never guessed that different markets would be so different in the product lines they gravitate toward. Slightly maybe, but that is night and day aesthetic differences.

[Kamen]

Originally Posted by 2nastie

Hahaha funny you say that and it kind of makes sense why this is the case.

For most western trends (North America and Europe), it appears that fashion is heading towards minimalistic looks. Everything focusing on clean lines, basic colors (or lack of color for that matter) with black, white, and grey (little bit of beige/tan/brown for clothing) and sometimes a splash of vivid color like a red or yellow to highlight an aspect of the item.

Meanwhile in Asia, they need for “uniqueness” and more of an opposite fashion statement pushes people to the more colorful pieces (like the full on paint it bright colors). As well as purchasing of the sometimes Gody and limited pieces where we won’t simply touch regardless of how scarce it may be.

I see it all the time in Vancouver in absolutely anything from cars, clothing, furniture, etc. (incase anyone doesn’t know, we experience one of the largest influx of weathier individuals from Asia, with China mainly, similar to that of richer oil money countries from the Middle East into the UK)

Yea but have you noticed they all dress and look the same now? All shop at the few places in town and drive the same cars. But don't get me wrong they keep our businesses going haha!

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

it reminds me of the interview i saw with IWC CEO where he said the Da Vinci was the flagship model in most of Europe which surprised me, but the pilot was more of a north america thing, Portofino for SE asia. I would have never guessed that different markets would be so different in the product lines they gravitate toward. Slightly maybe, but that is night and day aesthetic differences.

Given differing standards for physical beauty from culture to culture, this isn't too much of a surprise. I remember an article last year where a woman used makeup and photoshop to change her appearance to conform to beauty norms in ~ 10 different countries/cultures and the results were striking.

[2nastie]

Originally Posted by Kamen

Yea but have you noticed they all dress and look the same now? All shop at the few places in town and drive the same cars. But don't get me wrong they keep our businesses going haha!

Hahaha.. "keeps the economy going" I guess.

Everyone drives a G-Wagon at the minimum or moves on to the same variation of the Aventador/Huracan or Ferrari.

[Amiroo]

Originally Posted by 2nastie

Hahaha funny you say that and it kind of makes sense why this is the case.

For most western trends (North America and Europe), it appears that fashion is heading towards minimalistic looks. Everything focusing on clean lines, basic colors (or lack of color for that matter) with black, white, and grey (little bit of beige/tan/brown for clothing) and sometimes a splash of vivid color like a red or yellow to highlight an aspect of the item.

Meanwhile in Asia, they need for “uniqueness” and more of an opposite fashion statement pushes people to the more colorful pieces (like the full on paint it bright colors). As well as purchasing of the sometimes Gody and limited pieces where we won’t simply touch regardless of how scarce it may be.

I see it all the time in Vancouver in absolutely anything from cars, clothing, furniture, etc. (incase anyone doesn’t know, we experience one of the largest influx of weathier individuals from Asia, with China mainly, similar to that of richer oil money countries from the Middle East into the UK)

Gotta love those neon green and pink Aventadors. I would have to agree with you, the younger Asian community definitely likes to be unique and stand out. To their credit, I find that they're very respectful kids that are enjoying life so all the power to them.

[2nastie]

Originally Posted by Amiroo

Gotta love those neon green and pink Aventadors. I would have to agree with you, the younger Asian community definitely likes to be unique and stand out. To their credit, I find that they're very respectful kids that are enjoying life so all the power to them.

That's correct. At the end of the day, their money, they can do whatever they please.

But definitely some different cultural tastes that is influencing demand and design on various products that's for sure.

[kaiserphoenix]

And not only are AP limiting production of the 15202s, they are also closing many ADs around the world so overall this piece is harder to find for sure.