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mcjp6 · 24 January 2010, 08:58 PM

Maybe I am too cynical and this is legit but, private auction, genuine Rolex replacement guarantee papers (?) and the caseback with nearly all the engraving removed? opinions??

seller rs4omega ( 229)

Up for auction is my Rolex 1665 Double Red Sea-Dweller. Watch was serviced by Rolex (Bexley) Sept 2008, Rolex (Japan) Sept 2006 and Apr 2002 (all 3 service papers will be supplied). Dial is Titium, hands and bezel are luminous(hands replaced by Rolex (Japan) 2002. I have a set of Rolex Tritium hands I can supply to the winning bidder. Bracelet is a 93150 with the correct 585 end links! Watch also comes with Rolex box and Translation book. I have asked Rolex Bexley why the Rolex guarantee paper has a "typed" serial number as opposed to a "punched hole" serial number, and why it is dated 1977 when the watch serial number relates to a 1974 model. They informed me that this is a genuine Rolex replacement guarantee paper as the original may have been lost or destroyed. You can view this watch prior to bidding at my place of work (for safety reasons). I am happy to meet the winning bidder at Rolex (Bexley) to confirm authenticity. Cheque, bank wire transfer, cash on collection, and paypal for this auction. I will not send to some countries so please ask first. Anyone with 10 positive feedback or less please contact me first or your bid will be blocked. Thank you for looking.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rolex-1665-Dou...item4a9e068add

Clogger · 24 January 2010, 10:40 PM

seems legit, the seller states he is willing to meet at a Rolex SC to confirm it and also willing to meet at his place of work.

idk01 · 24 January 2010, 11:59 PM

This one looks fine Michael

I'd say this one has seen some polishing through its life :-)

DadsWatch72 · 25 January 2010, 03:19 AM

The bezel insert doesn't look original. The dial looks good to me. The case back looks very over polished from the picture (maybe its the picture).

Edit: It does say "Dial is Titium, hands and bezel are luminous(hands replaced by Rolex (Japan) 2002."

Spark · 25 January 2010, 03:36 AM

I have dealt with the seller of this watch and he is a very genuine small time collector and not a dealer.
The watch is the real deal.
The bezel is a service replacement as stated in the description.

onkyo · 25 January 2010, 03:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by idk01

This one looks fine Michael

I'd say this one has seen some polishing through its life :-)

x2.... Dave. You can barely make out the Rolex symbol on the caseback.

The hands don't match and are newer (as stated). The bezel does not look original.

So... what will this sell for??

ParisDakarBmw · 25 January 2010, 03:49 AM

He's willing to meet at a dealer for you to check it out. The watch has had several changes, but it is what it is.

DadsWatch72 · 25 January 2010, 03:54 AM

The thing that I am wondering is........why would someone polish the back so much. It isn't exposed to damage like the rest of the watch since it is against the skin usually. Was it a mistake by a poorly skilled watchman? If the dial is a fake, its a very very good one. I was wondering about the serial numbers. Is this the place on the case that they are usually engraved? Doesn't it usually say stainless steel also? I found a picture of a Double Red case with the serial # (bottom picture). Here is a link for another.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/d...ditedr-67a.jpg

BASSETHOUNDS · 25 January 2010, 04:34 AM

I find the lack of stainless steel a bit strange as well but given that it is older then yours you never know . But the numbers of the serial are really close to one another too . My first guess was a replacement case , but these start with "44" or "47" so that is out of the window .

DadsWatch72 · 25 January 2010, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

I find the lack of stainless steel a bit strange as well but given that it is older then yours you never know . But the numbers of the serial are really close to one another too . My first guess was a replacement case , but these start with "44" or "47" so that is out of the window .

His isn't older than mine. Mine is 3.55 mil.........but I have never seen inside my lugs and I don't have a picture of the serial numbers. I just own my watch, I don't take it apart.

His is a Mk IV and mine is a Mk III. The link is a Mk II and it has the "Stainless Steel" with the serial number.

I will leave this one open for the experts (or someone with an Mk IV).

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...t=DRSD+Mark+IV

BASSETHOUNDS · 25 January 2010, 05:11 AM

Let me correct what I meant by "yours": I should have said your picture and not just "yours" which of course would be referred to as the one you actually own . Have actually never taken of your bracelet ? I wouldn't open op a Rolex of that value , but I would go as far as take of the bracelet ... just to have a peek .

Spark · 25 January 2010, 05:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

I find the lack of stainless steel a bit strange as well but given that it is older then yours you never know . But the numbers of the serial are really close to one another too . My first guess was a replacement case , but these start with "44" or "47" so that is out of the window .

''Stainless Steel'' is stamped into the case if you look at the pictures you can just make it out still, as too is ''Original Rolex Design''.
It is very common for this to happen with vintage pieces as the flushfits wear it away as it sits right on top of the writting.

onkyo · 25 January 2010, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

The thing that I am wondering is........why would someone polish the back so much. It isn't exposed to damage like the rest of the watch since it is against the skin usually. Was it a mistake by a poorly skilled watchman? If the dial is a fake, its a very very good one. I was wondering about the serial numbers. Is this the place on the case that they are usually engraved? Doesn't it usually say stainless steel also? I found a picture of a Double Red case with the serial # (bottom picture). Here is a link for another.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/d...ditedr-67a.jpg

A couple of things come to mind. 1- removal of custom engravings 2- removal of deep scratches (ex when caused by incorrectly attempting to remove back). I have seen both.

DadsWatch72 · 25 January 2010, 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spark

''Stainless Steel'' is stamped into the case if you look at the pictures you can just make it out still, as too is ''Original Rolex Design''.
It is very common for this to happen with vintage pieces as the flushfits wear it away as it sits right on top of the writting.

Your right, I can see it now.

DadsWatch72 · 25 January 2010, 05:54 AM

I wonder how much this DRSD will sell for.

24 January 2010, 08:58 PM	#1
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	DRSD - Am I being too cynical here? Maybe I am too cynical and this is legit but, private auction, genuine Rolex replacement guarantee papers (?) and the caseback with nearly all the engraving removed? opinions?? seller rs4omega ( 229) Up for auction is my Rolex 1665 Double Red Sea-Dweller. Watch was serviced by Rolex (Bexley) Sept 2008, Rolex (Japan) Sept 2006 and Apr 2002 (all 3 service papers will be supplied). Dial is Titium, hands and bezel are luminous(hands replaced by Rolex (Japan) 2002. I have a set of Rolex Tritium hands I can supply to the winning bidder. Bracelet is a 93150 with the correct 585 end links! Watch also comes with Rolex box and Translation book. I have asked Rolex Bexley why the Rolex guarantee paper has a "typed" serial number as opposed to a "punched hole" serial number, and why it is dated 1977 when the watch serial number relates to a 1974 model. They informed me that this is a genuine Rolex replacement guarantee paper as the original may have been lost or destroyed. You can view this watch prior to bidding at my place of work (for safety reasons). I am happy to meet the winning bidder at Rolex (Bexley) to confirm authenticity. Cheque, bank wire transfer, cash on collection, and paypal for this auction. I will not send to some countries so please ask first. Anyone with 10 positive feedback or less please contact me first or your bid will be blocked. Thank you for looking. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Rolex-1665-Dou...item4a9e068add Attached Images

24 January 2010, 11:59 PM	#3
idk01 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Dave Location: Australia Watch: DJ16233TT Posts: 18,485	This one looks fine Michael I'd say this one has seen some polishing through its life :-) __________________ *Apprentice to Terry Newton; Superstar and Fake Sleuth*

25 January 2010, 03:19 AM	#4
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	The bezel insert doesn't look original. The dial looks good to me. The case back looks very over polished from the picture (maybe its the picture). Edit: It does say "Dial is Titium, hands and bezel are luminous(hands replaced by Rolex (Japan) 2002." Attached Images

25 January 2010, 03:54 AM	#8
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	The thing that I am wondering is........why would someone polish the back so much. It isn't exposed to damage like the rest of the watch since it is against the skin usually. Was it a mistake by a poorly skilled watchman? If the dial is a fake, its a very very good one. I was wondering about the serial numbers. Is this the place on the case that they are usually engraved? Doesn't it usually say stainless steel also? I found a picture of a Double Red case with the serial # (bottom picture). Here is a link for another. http://media.photobucket.com/image/d...ditedr-67a.jpg Attached Images

24 January 2010, 10:40 PM	#2
Clogger Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: SE Asia Watch: SS Sub Date Posts: 431	seems legit, the seller states he is willing to meet at a Rolex SC to confirm it and also willing to meet at his place of work.

25 January 2010, 03:36 AM	#5
Spark "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Mark Location: U.K. Watch: Too Many Posts: 2,097	I have dealt with the seller of this watch and he is a very genuine small time collector and not a dealer. The watch is the real deal. The bezel is a service replacement as stated in the description.

25 January 2010, 03:49 AM	#7
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	He's willing to meet at a dealer for you to check it out. The watch has had several changes, but it is what it is.

25 January 2010, 04:34 AM	#9
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	I find the lack of stainless steel a bit strange as well but given that it is older then yours you never know . But the numbers of the serial are really close to one another too . My first guess was a replacement case , but these start with "44" or "47" so that is out of the window .

25 January 2010, 05:11 AM	#11
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Let me correct what I meant by "yours": I should have said your picture and not just "yours" which of course would be referred to as the one you actually own . Have actually never taken of your bracelet ? I wouldn't open op a Rolex of that value , but I would go as far as take of the bracelet ... just to have a peek .

25 January 2010, 05:54 AM	#15
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	I wonder how much this DRSD will sell for.

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