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Goodwatch · 2 September 2005, 04:24 AM

At first glance, Rolex’s reputation seems ill deserved. It is not a centuries old house, it doesn’t have the chiq of Patek Philippe, the history of Brequet or the finesse of Jaeger LeCoultre. To be honest, there’s little refinement to be found in those watches. And to make things worse, ‘real’ watch buffs frown upon the by some perceived status as überbling.

Why is it then, that we like them so much? To me it is a number of factors. Everyone and his third distant cousin knows Rolex, so it’s no use denying the fact that the watch is recognizable. In fact, it has become an icon. Then a number of arguments that aren’t specific to Rolex but more generic. Waterproof. Only becomes special with the venerable Sea Dweller. There still aren’t many watches who can go a depth of over 0.62 mile and keep ticking. (But I feel sorry for the poor guy attached to that watch). Robust. Ask any Citizen Pro Master Dive watch owner about robustness. Accurate. Well, there are hundreds of watch brands who sport watches just a accurate as Rolex’s.

It must be something else besides the iconic status then. The extremely conservative attitude of the brand perhaps. The improvements and changes take place in an evolutionary ‘pace’. An oak tree grows faster. (I get visions of an all digital Rolex now, the LEDlex Mk. One, brrrrrrrr). This is what kept the brand in the saddle. They didn’t put all their money on quartz during the Japanese digital ‘invasion’. No, they took part in the development of the first Swiss analog quartz movement (to be beaten by Seiko) and quietly introduced the Oyster Quartz. But mechanical watches are still their most important offering. But that offering is not a dazzling array of different models. No, the models they offer are mostly variations on the same theme.

When you are prepared to spend that much cash on a watch, the above factors don’t play a roll anymore. Any $200 watch can fit the bill. To me it is clear that more subjective, nee, emotional aspects come to play in the purchase and ownership of a Rolex. Ever seen an Explorer 1 on a black, woven strap? Absolutely stunning! The pictures some of you guys submitted over the past few days made my mouth water. Boy do I love the Sub and SD. There’re not mere watches but fine pieces of machinery. I don’t get that feeling when I see a Breitling. Neither hot or cold. Fine watches, no doubt, but I prefer a ‘lex.

Thanks,

Frans.

JJ Irani · 2 September 2005, 04:31 AM

It must be the damn hologram - we all seem to just love it....immensely!!

Goodwatch · 2 September 2005, 04:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

It must be the damn hologram - we all seem to just love it....immensely!!

Take are razor blade and remove it! And what is that red felttip pen stripe on the back? remove it at once!

Take care,

Frans.

JJ Irani · 2 September 2005, 04:47 AM

Taken care of a long time ago....and that red stripe is part of the plastic round disc which covers the hologram....certainly NOT a pen mark!!

Goodwatch · 2 September 2005, 04:54 AM

[QUOTE=JJ Irani]Taken care of a long time ago....and that red stripe is part of the plastic round disc which covers the hologram....certainly NOT a pen mark!!

I must warn you my friend. I don't know how to bring this to you without causing shock but your watch is a FAKE! There should be Rolex, Swiss Made engraved on the back. I do hope that you didn't pay retail for that watch.

Take care,

Frans.

P.S. I'll take that fake off your hands for, say, $100. But act fast!

JJ Irani · 2 September 2005, 04:56 AM

Frans,

You've just reached the TOP 5 Tosser category!!

Goodwatch · 2 September 2005, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Frans,

You've just reached the TOP 5 Tosser category!!

Well, bow to your new King then!

Ha, ha, ha!

Frans.

JJ Irani · 2 September 2005, 05:03 AM

The No.1 KING is still Ed. You might just about reach "Knave" status!!

Goodwatch · 2 September 2005, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

The No.1 KING is still Ed. You might just about reach "Knave" status!!

What, a mere boy servant?!

Never! Never, you hear? I'm a wiseguy, see? Don't mess with me, see? Well, don't put the lights out when you go to sleep! A knave, bah, humbug!

Take care,

Frans.

JJ Irani · 2 September 2005, 05:16 AM

LOL!

Glad you've managed to fit in so well with this "madding" crowd!!

Goodwatch · 2 September 2005, 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

LOL!

Glad you've managed to fit in so well with this "madding" crowd!!

Ahhh, I see Number One status glistening on the horizon! There’s hope for me yet. Do you take bribes?

Take care,

The Dutch Madman

JJ Irani · 2 September 2005, 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Ahhh, I see Number One status glistening on the horizon! There’s hope for me yet. Do you take bribes?

Take care,

The Dutch Madman

Yes, I do, but you'd have to reach KING status to afford them!!

Goodwatch · 2 September 2005, 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Yes, I do, but you'd have to reach KING status to afford them!!

A shame. I was thinking about offering you that nice gold/blue AP watch. Ah well.......

Frans.

Gedanken · 2 September 2005, 08:03 AM

And to think that less than 48 hours ago, Frans was worried about going off-topic - he's natural born TRF material!

mamas · 2 September 2005, 08:10 AM

[QUOTE=Goodwatch]

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Taken care of a long time ago....and that red stripe is part of the plastic round disc which covers the hologram....certainly NOT a pen mark!!

I must warn you my friend. I don't know how to bring this to you without causing shock but your watch is a FAKE! There should be Rolex, Swiss Made engraved on the back. I do hope that you didn't pay retail for that watch. :

Take care,

Frans.

P.S. I'll take that fake off your hands for, say, $100. But act fast!

Yeah.. and it also should have a display back..

mamas

padi56 · 2 September 2005, 04:48 PM

again,yes will agree about
the all round robustness of the Citizen pro master great diving watches.

Gedanken · 2 September 2005, 04:54 PM

Aww, Peter, where's your TRF spirit?

I haven't tried out the citizens, but my old Seiko automatic diver's sure can take a beating.

JJ Irani · 2 September 2005, 05:36 PM

Yes, Peter, you know that going

is as easy as 1, 2, 3 for most of us....we are naturals at that sorta thing!!

2 September 2005, 08:57 PM

JJ and Frans - keep it up and you will be the LizWhiz of this forum!

padi56 · 2 September 2005, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Aww, Peter, where's your TRF spirit?

I haven't tried out the citizens, but my old Seiko automatic diver's sure can take a beating.

Have a few old Seiko divers a 6306, and a 6309 both Japan only models
20 odd years old still going strong.

Gedanken · 2 September 2005, 09:51 PM

Yeah, mine's a 6309 too - 17 years of abuse and she's still going!

padi56 · 2 September 2005, 10:01 PM

Yes James both Seiko and Citizen have produced some great divers,
the 6306 is now becoming quite rare,only a short production time.Think they
finished around 1981 it has a 21 jewel movement,then came the 6309 with 17jewel movement.

Goodwatch · 3 September 2005, 02:18 AM

Sorry to have been so off-topic. I will mend my ways:

Rolex, Rolex, Rolex, Hologram, Polishing Cloth, Crown Up, Chipped Crystal, Rolex, Green Wallet, Rolex, Certificate, Rolex, Losing 1 Second A Day, Rolex, Is This Right?, Rolex, Rolex, Rolex, Can I do This?, Rolex, Hologram, Rolex, Crown Down, Rolex, Anchor, Certificate, Rolex, Rolex, Hologram, Polishing Cloth, Crown Up, Chipped Crystal, Rolex, Green Wallet, Rolex, Certificate, Rolex, Losing 1 Seconds A Day, Rolex, Is This Right?, Rolex, Rolex, Rolex, Can I do This?, Rolex, Hologram, Rolex, Crown Down, Rolex, Anchor, Certificate, Rolex, Rolex, Hologram, Polishing Cloth, Crown Up, Chipped Crystal, Rolex, Green Wallet, Rolex, Certificate, Rolex, Losing 1 Seconds A Day, Rolex, Is This Right?, Rolex, Rolex, Rolex, Can I do This?, Rolex, Hologram, Rolex, Crown Down, Rolex, Anchor, Certificate, Rolex……..

Frans, The Dutch Madman

padi56 · 3 September 2005, 02:32 AM

Sorry Frans but you did mention SeikoCitizen Divers in the start of your post.

JJ Irani · 3 September 2005, 04:52 AM

Our friend, Frans, is certainly a quick learner.

Look how quickly he's started crazy posts and merged in beautifully with the rest of this wayward gang!!

Goodwatch · 3 September 2005, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Our friend, Frans, is certainly a quick learner.

Look how quickly he's started crazy posts and merged in beautifully with the rest of this wayward gang!!

Are you joking? I Invented this game! I’m glad that I’m not run out of town here, covered with tar and feathers. But I can be very serious at the same time, I kid you not. You guys make me feel quite welcome here, thanks. I keep saying guys, but are there any ladies present on this merry-go-round?

Take care,

Frans.

JJ Irani · 3 September 2005, 05:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Are you joking? I Invented this game! I’m glad that I’m not run out of town here, covered with tar and feathers. But I can be very serious at the same time, I kid you not. You guys make me feel quite welcome here, thanks. I keep saying guys, but are there any ladies present on this merry-go-round?

Take care,

Frans.

Just one wonderful lady - 'momallday' aka Liz. She's one helluva nice person, I assure you. Pity the other lady, Golden, came in and then just disappeared.

Goodwatch · 3 September 2005, 05:52 AM

JJ, seems that we are the only ones awake. How about exchanging some new insults? No, no, I’ll take that back: off-topic.

Take care,

Frans.

JJ Irani · 3 September 2005, 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

JJ, seems that we are the only ones awake. How about exchanging some new insults? No, no, I’ll take that back: off-topic.

Take care,

Frans.

I have a better idea....why don't you download SKYPE....it's all FREE and then you can include me in your list. My ID is JJIrani without any space between the JJ and Irani.

We can then chat FREE over the internet. You will need a headset with a micophone.

Cheers - JJ

dman · 3 September 2005, 01:43 PM

Then he would have to act like he had a bad connection like the rest of us JJ.

2 September 2005, 04:24 AM	#1
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	The Rolex Phenomenon At first glance, Rolex’s reputation seems ill deserved. It is not a centuries old house, it doesn’t have the chiq of Patek Philippe, the history of Brequet or the finesse of Jaeger LeCoultre. To be honest, there’s little refinement to be found in those watches. And to make things worse, ‘real’ watch buffs frown upon the by some perceived status as überbling. Why is it then, that we like them so much? To me it is a number of factors. Everyone and his third distant cousin knows Rolex, so it’s no use denying the fact that the watch is recognizable. In fact, it has become an icon. Then a number of arguments that aren’t specific to Rolex but more generic. Waterproof. Only becomes special with the venerable Sea Dweller. There still aren’t many watches who can go a depth of over 0.62 mile and keep ticking. (But I feel sorry for the poor guy attached to that watch). Robust. Ask any Citizen Pro Master Dive watch owner about robustness. Accurate. Well, there are hundreds of watch brands who sport watches just a accurate as Rolex’s. It must be something else besides the iconic status then. The extremely conservative attitude of the brand perhaps. The improvements and changes take place in an evolutionary ‘pace’. An oak tree grows faster. (I get visions of an all digital Rolex now, the LEDlex Mk. One, brrrrrrrr). This is what kept the brand in the saddle. They didn’t put all their money on quartz during the Japanese digital ‘invasion’. No, they took part in the development of the first Swiss analog quartz movement (to be beaten by Seiko) and quietly introduced the Oyster Quartz. But mechanical watches are still their most important offering. But that offering is not a dazzling array of different models. No, the models they offer are mostly variations on the same theme. When you are prepared to spend that much cash on a watch, the above factors don’t play a roll anymore. Any $200 watch can fit the bill. To me it is clear that more subjective, nee, emotional aspects come to play in the purchase and ownership of a Rolex. Ever seen an Explorer 1 on a black, woven strap? Absolutely stunning! The pictures some of you guys submitted over the past few days made my mouth water. Boy do I love the Sub and SD. There’re not mere watches but fine pieces of machinery. I don’t get that feeling when I see a Breitling. Neither hot or cold. Fine watches, no doubt, but I prefer a ‘lex. Thanks, Frans. __________________ Member# 127 Last edited by Goodwatch; 2 September 2005 at 04:28 AM..

2 September 2005, 04:31 AM	#2
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	It must be the damn hologram - we all seem to just love it....immensely!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

2 September 2005, 04:47 AM	#4
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Taken care of a long time ago....and that red stripe is part of the plastic round disc which covers the hologram....certainly NOT a pen mark!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

2 September 2005, 04:54 AM	#5
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	[QUOTE=JJ Irani]Taken care of a long time ago....and that red stripe is part of the plastic round disc which covers the hologram....certainly NOT a pen mark!! I must warn you my friend. I don't know how to bring this to you without causing shock but your watch is a FAKE! There should be Rolex, Swiss Made engraved on the back. I do hope that you didn't pay retail for that watch. Take care, Frans. P.S. I'll take that fake off your hands for, say, $100. But act fast! __________________ Member# 127

2 September 2005, 04:56 AM	#6
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Frans, You've just reached the TOP 5 Tosser category!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

2 September 2005, 05:03 AM	#8
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	The No.1 KING is still Ed. You might just about reach "Knave" status!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

2 September 2005, 05:16 AM	#10
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	LOL! Glad you've managed to fit in so well with this "madding" crowd!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

2 September 2005, 08:03 AM	#14
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	And to think that less than 48 hours ago, Frans was worried about going off-topic - he's natural born TRF material! __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

2 September 2005, 04:48 PM	#16
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	again,yes will agree about the all round robustness of the Citizen pro master great diving watches. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

2 September 2005, 04:54 PM	#17
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	Aww, Peter, where's your TRF spirit? I haven't tried out the citizens, but my old Seiko automatic diver's sure can take a beating. __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

2 September 2005, 05:36 PM	#18
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Yes, Peter, you know that going is as easy as 1, 2, 3 for most of us....we are naturals at that sorta thing!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

2 September 2005, 08:57 PM	#19
---- Guest Posts: n/a	JJ and Frans - keep it up and you will be the LizWhiz of this forum!

2 September 2005, 09:51 PM	#21
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	Yeah, mine's a 6309 too - 17 years of abuse and she's still going! __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

2 September 2005, 10:01 PM	#22
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Yes James both Seiko and Citizen have produced some great divers, the 6306 is now becoming quite rare,only a short production time.Think they finished around 1981 it has a 21 jewel movement,then came the 6309 with 17jewel movement. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

3 September 2005, 02:18 AM	#23
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	Sorry! Sorry to have been so off-topic. I will mend my ways: Rolex, Rolex, Rolex, Hologram, Polishing Cloth, Crown Up, Chipped Crystal, Rolex, Green Wallet, Rolex, Certificate, Rolex, Losing 1 Second A Day, Rolex, Is This Right?, Rolex, Rolex, Rolex, Can I do This?, Rolex, Hologram, Rolex, Crown Down, Rolex, Anchor, Certificate, Rolex, Rolex, Hologram, Polishing Cloth, Crown Up, Chipped Crystal, Rolex, Green Wallet, Rolex, Certificate, Rolex, Losing 1 Seconds A Day, Rolex, Is This Right?, Rolex, Rolex, Rolex, Can I do This?, Rolex, Hologram, Rolex, Crown Down, Rolex, Anchor, Certificate, Rolex, Rolex, Hologram, Polishing Cloth, Crown Up, Chipped Crystal, Rolex, Green Wallet, Rolex, Certificate, Rolex, Losing 1 Seconds A Day, Rolex, Is This Right?, Rolex, Rolex, Rolex, Can I do This?, Rolex, Hologram, Rolex, Crown Down, Rolex, Anchor, Certificate, Rolex…….. Frans, The Dutch Madman __________________ Member# 127

3 September 2005, 02:32 AM	#24
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Sorry Frans but you did mention SeikoCitizen Divers in the start of your post. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

3 September 2005, 04:52 AM	#25
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Our friend, Frans, is certainly a quick learner. Look how quickly he's started crazy posts and merged in beautifully with the rest of this wayward gang!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

3 September 2005, 05:52 AM	#28
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	JJ, seems that we are the only ones awake. How about exchanging some new insults? No, no, I’ll take that back: off-topic. Take care, Frans. __________________ Member# 127

3 September 2005, 01:43 PM	#30
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	Then he would have to act like he had a bad connection like the rest of us JJ. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

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