DAVIDSW or other seller - Who has had their watch verified?

[dannyjak]

Hi all

Just curious, and not to doubt DAVIDSW and other top not TRF seller's integrity or anything but just wanted to do some due diligence first.

I understand his service, prices etc are excellent, and lots of great feedback everywhere.

BUT has anyone actually taken their DAVIDSW or top TRF seller's purchased watch, taken it to a RSC or AD where the case back has been opened and everything has been checked out? i.e. case numbers, movement, band, etc?

I guess with the latest news about those Long E rolexes, fake cases, suspect bands etc makes me think and kind of get paranoid too haha. Rolex is the most copied/faked watch in the world, I am sure some of the fakes are extremely good. If it is not completely fake, I guess some watches can be formed from fake parts as well?

Thanks all for your help!

Much appreciated!

[beerformeplz]

Hope you have your flame suit on.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by dannyjak

Hi all

Just curious, and not to doubt DAVIDSW and other top not TRF seller's integrity or anything but just wanted to do some due diligence first.

I understand his service, prices etc are excellent, and lots of great feedback everywhere.

BUT has anyone actually taken their DAVIDSW or top TRF seller's purchased watch, taken it to a RSC or AD where the case back has been opened and everything has been checked out? i.e. case numbers, movement, band, etc?

I guess with the latest news about those Long E rolexes, fake cases, suspect bands etc makes me think and kind of get paranoid too haha. Rolex is the most copied/faked watch in the world, I am sure some of the fakes are extremely good. If it is not completely fake, I guess some watches can be formed from fake parts as well?

Thanks all for your help!

Much appreciated!

I can appreciate your concern, Danny................but you're dealing with TRF's top-notch and most honest sellers. I have bought 3 Rolexes from DAVIDSW and never found the need to verify any of them 'cause I'm one million percent certain that they are all genuine.

End of story - JJ

[dannyjak]

Haha yeah I was tempted not to ask because I know how some people might react

BUT it is an honest question, and I hope people can understand that. I have been reading alot of the forums but just wanted to throw it out there.

[dannyjak]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

I can appreciate your concern, Danny................but you're dealing with TRF's top-notch and most honest sellers. I have bought 3 Rolexes from DAVIDSW and never found the need to verify any of them 'cause I'm one million percent certain that they are all genuine.

End of story - JJ

Thanks JJ!

This is what I guess I am getting at, they are top notch and people feel like they dont need to verify them. However, how can you be truly sure? Not many of us here are Rolex experts who can spot out every single fake, and moer specifically, fake parts

SELLERS: apologise for asking, but I am sure this thread will be helpful and informative to others here as well.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by dannyjak

Thanks JJ!

This is what I guess I am getting at, they are top notch and people feel like they dont need to verify them. However, how can you be truly sure? Not many of us here are Rolex experts who can spot out every single fake, and moer specifically, fake parts

SELLERS: apologise for asking, but I am sure this thread will be helpful and informative to others here as well.

Well, let me put it this way. I've been into Rolex watches since 1970. Now I think 40 years is a long time and given me enough experience, don't you think?

[Safetrends]

The ones listed are no doubt the most honest of sellers, and yes, more sellers to follow from other members, however I know the responce from other buyers is excellent on the list I provided.



Sellers that I know are spot on:
bodybump
r-l-x
DAVIDSW
Mosco
stevemulholland3


And no flame here, good question to ask.

[mpkRolex]

If you do your homework of buying the seller first you should be fine. That is what exactly most of TRFs have done about reputed sellers like DavidSW and others.

[dmc]

I have gotten three Rolex watches from DavidSW, and I can say that Peter Baier, at Swiss Time , Hilton Head Island, SC, has opened two of them to regulate them.

And he showed me the insides of both watches. And told me that everything was as it should be.

Peter is an independent Swiss Watchmaker, He actually is from Switzerland. And has been in the business for more than 35 years.

He sells and services Rolex, Patek Philippe, Bregeut, Cartier, Audemars-Piguet, Blancpain, A. Lange, Vacheron & Constantin, Chopard, Ulysse Nardin, and Omega, and probably a few others that I can't think of at the moment.


If you want to do business with someone that is extremely trustworthy, David is as good as it gets.

There are other guys on here who are also very reputable as, Mosco, Bodybump, Steve Mulholland, Mark Theken, Dan Pierce, to name a few. And there are many others that deserve to be mentioned, but I have only been here since December, and the guys I mentioned are usually trading on TRF regularly.

I know its pretty daunting to send big $$$$ to someone on good faith that you will get what they say you are buying. It was for me, but these people that are trusted sellers on this forum are good traders.

If the Mods on here catch one of them doing something unethical they will be banned in a second. Just remember to do your due diligence on verifying that the seller has at least a few of the long time members to vouch for their ethics.

Good luck on your acquisition, and welcome to TRF.

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Well, let me put it this way. I've been into Rolex watches since 1970. Now I think 40 years is a long time and given me enough experience, don't you think?

JJ, do not lie to the new guy, the first watch you received was this one, and it dates before 1970.

[dannyjak]

Originally Posted by dmc

I have gotten three Rolex watches from DavidSW, and I can say that Peter Baier, at Swiss Time , Hilton Head Island, SC, has opened two of them to regulate them.

And he showed me the insides of both watches. And told me that everything was as it should be.

Peter is an independent Swiss Watchmaker, He actually is from Switzerland. And has been in the business for more than 35 years.

He sells and services Rolex, Patek Philippe, Bregeut, Cartier, Audemars-Piguet, Blancpain, A. Lange, Vacheron & Constantin, Chopard, Ulysse Nardin, and Omega, and probably a few othrs that I can't think of at the moment.


If you want to do business with someone that is extremely trustworthy, David is as good as it gets.

There are other guys on here who are also very reputable as, Mosco, Bodybumb, Steve Mulholland, Mark Theken, Dan Pierce, to name a few. And there are many others that deserve to be mentioned, but I have only been here since December, and the guys I mentioned are usually trading on TRF regularly.

I know its pretty daunting to send big $$$$ to someone on good faith that you will get what they say you are buying. It was for me, but these people that are trusted sellers on this forum are good traders.

If the Mods on here catch one of them doing something unethical they will be banned in a second. Just remember to do your due diligence on verifying that the seller has at least a few of the long time members to vouch for their ethics.

Good luck on your acquisition, and welcome to TRF.

Thanks, and to the other posters as well.

This was helpful, to know that it has been checked out.

Would be great to know if others have gone through the same process as well. Especially with the Rolex Service Centers

I guess the last thing you want is to drop $$$'s on a watch through online sellers, then wear it for 5 years, take it into a RSC, and have them tell you that the watch is fake, or parts of it are. By then, who knows where the seller may be.

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by dannyjak

Thanks, and to the other posters as well.

This was helpful, to know that it has been checked out.

Would be great to know if others have gone through the same process as well. Especially with the Rolex Service Centers

I guess the last thing you want is to drop $$$'s on a watch through online sellers, then wear it for 5 years, take it into a RSC, and have them tell you that the watch is fake, or parts of it are. By then, who knows where the seller may be.

Just to ease your mind, you buy a Rolex from one of TRF's solid sellers and then have a AD authenticate for you, I know it is going to be spot on, however this way you can sleep at night and you are only out some money and you can use the AD's paperwork for resale of the watch later on.

[Kanger]

Hey Oscar, you are now "Bodybumb."

[dannyjak]

Originally Posted by Safetrends

Just to ease your mind, you buy a Rolex from one of TRF's solid sellers and then have a AD authenticate for you, I know it is going to be spot on, however this way you can sleep at night and you are only out some money and you can use the AD's paperwork for resale of the watch later on.

Could be too late by then as $$$ has already been transferred.

That why I wanted to see if anyone has already done something like that

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by dannyjak

Could be too late by then as $$$ has already been transferred.

That why I wanted to see if anyone has already done something like that

After you receive the watch, you can have a AD authentic it. This is just for a piece of mind, the ones I put in my post are good TRF sellers and you should not worry about it, I know some sellers on TRF that have sold watches that are worth a whole lot of $$$$ so do not worry, just do your check on the seller on TRF, make sure he is a long term seller with excellent clients and you will be safe.

Sellers that I know are:
bodybump
r-l-x
DAVIDSW
Mosco
stevemulholland3

[marcinthemiddle]

Um...I know this has been said, but the sellers mentioned above have stellar reputations, and have been vouched for time and again.
So-much-so that I felt completely comfortable shipping my ss/white Daytona to Oscar (bodybump), to check out. His word is as good as gold, and I would have every confidence dealing with any of them...
By the way, the Rolex I got from Oscar was in fact BNIB, ALL protective stickers in place, both hangtags, etc. and all the paperwork was properly filled out and as it should be. Just read the "Who's Who" thread...

[dalip]

This isn't a bad question...

But..to be frank: if you are worried..in any way whatsoever...about buying from one of the sellers on here (specifically in terms of authenticity)..then I would simply not do it.

I have done two fantastic deals with DavidSW.... I have never had the inclination to get the watches checked out...ever. It was never on my mind as necessary when I made my 1st or my 2nd. That's how I knew I was good to go with the transaction.

If you feel able to trust enough to take the 'risk'....then do it...but only if you do.

[rsg]

I've bought 5 Rolex and a Patek from David and never had a problem. All BNIB, all authentic, and all at a very good price.

[Tombstone]

I would feel very good about buying from David. I feel so many have bought from him if there were anything wrong we would have been told by now. I am waiting for a bit (Past years Rolex buying shock to wear off) I will buy a watch from David.

[Mosco]

Nobody is going to flame anybody, that was a very good question.

Three golden words will guide you successfully through this sickness we call 'watch collecting' (which includes, but not limited to, trading/buying/selling/negotiating....), and those are:


ready?





drumroll......






CONSIDER THE SOURCE


Yes. That's IT. That's the secret. It applies to EVERYONE from dealers to end-users (which aren't mutually exclusive, BTW).

I don't buy watches from everyone, so 95% of my sources are tried and true. As in batting "one thousand."

The other five percent are spit between trades which are either virgin a.k.a never touched a.k.a Britney Spears before K-Fed, OR others, which are worn, but are thoroughly vetted. THOSE I do check out, without fail, be it a discontinued Patek or an Oris. It is our job to take the guesswork out of it for you.

Have there been mishaps? Of course. Nothing is fail-proof. HOWEVER, this industry is the ONLY industry where shit rolls uphill. That means, if something was to G-d forbid, happen, you (as the end user) have ZERO to worry about. That means, upon confirmation of such mishap, most of us won't even wait for the watch to hit our doorstep before we issue a refund in full.

Why do we do that? Is it because we're Mother Theresa-like? No. It's because we... ready.....

CONSIDER THE SOURCE.


This means that as soon as we receive this bastard of a piece, we will go to our source and let THEM explain how this happened, while cutting us a check.


Happened to yours truly, that's how I found TRF (or rather, how TRF found me) : http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=59528

In this case, the watch (thanks to the 'Watch Out' section ) never even made it to the end-user, thankfully. We learn from our mistakes, it didn't happen again. But even if it did, you would have nothing to worry about. Your money would be safely returned to you.

And to those who are just itching to pull out the "Go to the AD, and you won't have anything to worry about" card, I suggest you remember how many fake DSSD's were taken in on trade by AD's few months ago, who passed them on down. Reference the 'Beware' sticky. It was us, the watch-nuts (big 'ups' to Mr. Cleeves and few others ) that educated few AD's on how to spot these fakes. You know why? We actually LIKE what we do, and that brings about an understanding and love of the product. Some fine folks who work at AD's are also WIS's, without a doubt. But most are just paid employees.

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Holy Cow ... I just went through the "welcome" post of Greg .. This guy must have a gigantic pair of dangly bits or be a masochist to have stuck around . Look it at that way .. he never owned a Rolex till he got here ... now fat change that he takes off his SDDS .
And Orchi , always trying not to offend anyone by phrasing that way ... ends up exactly doing that . Well , so far I have never read a thread where he ends up proven wrong .
Glad to have them both around !

[Andad]

As has been previously said. Even an AD can have a new Rolex switched for a fake and I am sure that this happens and that the switch is obvious.
Is it possible though that a switched watch could be sent to a grey dealer and forwarded to a buyer without even opening the box because it was a new 'Sourced' watch?.
I have always checked my watches no matter who they were bought from and I see no harm in asking for proof of provenance.
After all we are parting with a fair amount of coin.

[Andad]

As has been previously said. Even an AD can have a new Rolex switched for a fake and I am sure that this happens and that the switch is obvious.
Is it possible though that a switched watch could be sent to a grey dealer and forwarded to a buyer without even opening the box because it was a new 'Sourced' watch?.
I have always checked my watches no matter who they were bought from and I see no harm in asking for proof of provenance.
After all we are parting with a fair amount of coin.

[MURF]

This was a nice first thread to choose to read for my 1st day on the forum! Now my wife is really gonna kill me, when I plunk down some cash, to one of these fine fellow "watch-nuts" sellers on a GMT-MASTER II 116710LN. Silly me, & I thought it would take months to find some steller sellers to buy from, me...

http://www.rolex.com/sites/4/e-brochures/gmtmaster.pdf

So does this site offer a for sale section or do the sellers have their own websites? How do I buy what I want at a very good price? If I don't get a very good price my wife really will kill me, leaving my 3 little children fatherless & all alone with a meanie mommy. No wonder I'm a watch nut!

[multimedia]

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

Holy Cow ... I just went through the "welcome" post of Greg .. This guy must have a gigantic pair of dangly bits or be a masochist to have stuck around . Look it at that way .. he never owned a Rolex till he got here ... now fat change that he takes off his SDDS .
And Orchi , always trying not to offend anyone by phrasing that way ... ends up exactly doing that . Well , so far I have never read a thread where he ends up proven wrong .
Glad to have them both around !

Now I'm completely lost.


Cheers,
Joe

[BASSETHOUNDS]

Originally Posted by multimedia

Now I'm completely lost.


Cheers,
Joe

Read the thread that Greg posted with his comment on this thread :
http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=59528

[multimedia]

OK, thx for clarifying.

Cheers,
Joe

[Numismatist]

Somewhere on here was a story about an AD salesman who was swapping a high grade fake into the AD case and taking the real one for himself to sell elsewhere. Therefore, it's quite possible that someone purchased from an AD a fake and didn't know it.

So for the conspiricy freaks and the ultimate paranoids, there's something to think about...

[Safetrends]

Originally Posted by Numismatist

Somewhere on here was a story about an AD salesman who was swapping a high grade fake into the AD case and taking the real one for himself to sell elsewhere. Therefore, it's quite possible that someone purchased from an AD a fake and didn't know it.

So for the conspiricy freaks and the ultimate paranoids, there's something to think about...

Authentication is the key from a seperate AD.

[WatchlLover]

I am a customer of DavidSW - not only was the buying experience finer than that of an AD, and he was more knowledable regarding the smallest detail re: to Rolex, and without revealing is source I can tell you all his watches come from 100% legitimate Ad's. I recently purchased a brand new 16610 SS Submariner, it is perfect, including lazer etched logo on crystal and Rolex on interior ring. I have excellent intuition have had numerous conversations and e-mail exchanges with David he is nothing less than professional and excellent. I am completley comfortable in purchasing future Rolex watches from him.
Paul