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Tools · 16 April 2010, 09:04 AM

It has come up that there have been some counterfeit Subs found in the US at a couple of different locations in the South/Southwest..

Apparently counterfeit Sub Cases (more than one) with serial number Z396297 have been sold with legitimate movements.

Frequently Counterfeits from the same maker all have the same serial number so check any potential Z Sub purchase carefully........ this will be a very difficult fraud to detect if the movement is a Rolex 3035/3135..

Idle Swede · 16 April 2010, 09:05 AM

Are they gold or SS Subs Larry?

Dilemma · 16 April 2010, 09:06 AM

It just never ends does it.

DAVIDSW · 16 April 2010, 09:07 AM

SS Subs.

Nicko · 16 April 2010, 09:08 AM

Mentioned here as well...

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=124774

Idle Swede · 16 April 2010, 09:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DAVIDSW

SS Subs.

Pheew, no worries then.

Mockingbird · 16 April 2010, 09:19 AM

Thanks for bringing this to all of our attention! You may have just saved some people from having a terrible experience buying.

Jason71 · 16 April 2010, 09:22 AM

That ROYALLY Stinks!!!! Thanks for the heads-up though Larry

thoang · 16 April 2010, 09:31 AM

I would hope that any prospective buyers Google serial number Z396297 and this thread shows up.

kcmo · 16 April 2010, 09:43 AM

Crazy!

jets · 16 April 2010, 09:45 AM

Wow. I suppose this one more reason folks buy new from AD's.

Renoir · 16 April 2010, 10:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jets

Wow. I suppose this one more reason folks buy new from AD's.

+1

It's nuts....even the vintage stuff has been well counterfieted.

Bon Temps · 16 April 2010, 10:17 AM

The fakes will only get better. Rolex will have to stay a step ahead and we all need to be very vigilant. As many wiser than me have said before; buy the seller then buy the watch, or as Mosco puts it "consider the source" !

kingblackbolt · 16 April 2010, 10:40 AM

Legitimate movements but in a fake case... damn that is confusing! Would Rolex even service this watch if it was sent to the RSC? Thanks for the serial number Larry!

vintage69 · 16 April 2010, 11:14 AM

My watchmaker,Dave, has warned me of the fake Rolexes. He showed me a very well made Chinese Daytona the other day. He said the movement was excellent but the giveaway was the main spring and the slight difference in the size of the hands. By the way, one local AD verified the watch as real!!! Dave verifies watches for some of the major auction houses.

JUSTROLEXES · 16 April 2010, 11:31 AM

Thanks for the Updates Larry

karmatp · 16 April 2010, 11:35 AM

This is why people hide their serial numbers. It has happened before and it will keep happening, really sad.

therolexguy · 16 April 2010, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by karmatp

This is why people hide their serial numbers. It has happened before and it will keep happening, really sad.

as I see people posting theirs all of the time.

Brunotheboxer · 16 April 2010, 11:42 AM

Not for nothing..........But why put a real movement in a fake case???? I dont get this whole concept.. I'm not saying this is not happening, I just dont understand it.

Титан · 16 April 2010, 11:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brunotheboxer

Not for nothing..........But why put a real movement in a fake case???? I dont get this whole concept.. I'm not saying this is not happening, I just dont understand it.

It makes the watch more legmitate when they open the caseback and see the movement, this will sell the watch so a non AD jeweler will believe the watch is a real Rolex and the customer buying is then duped. The real Rolex case is worth more than the movement.

toolr · 16 April 2010, 12:00 PM

This is why I only buy new from an AD.

SLA · 16 April 2010, 12:06 PM

Have there been confirmed fakes with the Rolex-Rolex-Rolex engraved rehaut with the serial number at the 6 position?

Tools · 16 April 2010, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brunotheboxer

Not for nothing..........But why put a real movement in a fake case???? I dont get this whole concept.. I'm not saying this is not happening, I just dont understand it.

Here is what the issue here is... this is not a Replica or fake, which is well known and mostly sold to wannabees (except on e-bay). Most replica owners are well aware of what they have and not what we are talking about at all..

...........This is counterfeiting with intent to defraud...

For example...an old Datejust is worth a couple of thousand...a z Sub is worth twice that, or more...

If you can duplicate a case well, then manufacture many of them, cannabalize older Rolex watches with real movements, you can easily double your investment............ but you are doing it by defrauding unsuspecting customers... You could go even further and put fake movements in the real DJ cases that hardly anybody checks out, and still sell them at close to their Rolex values...

2th Dr · 16 April 2010, 12:15 PM

That stinks! Thanks for the heads-up Larry!

hennabav · 16 April 2010, 12:17 PM

Thanks for the update Larry!! I'm sure we all appreciate this...and all keep our eyes open for them.

gmaines · 16 April 2010, 12:23 PM

Larry, Thanks for the heads up....

MitchSteel · 17 April 2010, 04:06 AM

Quote:

larry, thanks for the heads up....

x2

nch209 · 17 April 2010, 04:33 AM

This stinks... Wonder if there is a single legit one with That serial... That would
stink more! Was there any notes about the band codes???

Lots of fakes... I saw another GMT2c that looked darn good. Be careful
out there.

eagle_lex · 17 April 2010, 04:41 AM

just because the movement "looks" like a legit rolex momement... dont even believe that. some of these high end replicas/fakes have rolex "looking" movements as well. i would say that is what is in these. much better profit and no hassels finding a legit movement and swapping it. the newer fakes are VERY good. one maker even uses unique serial numbers on every fake they produce.... they use to use the same one over and over (in the OPs case here) but not always the case. u can usually tell just by winding the movement if you are a rolex owner. ETAs dont wind anything like a Rolex movement.

chris russell · 17 April 2010, 04:57 AM

the criminals. There is already starvation, global warming from too much energy use, disease, etc. from overcrowding. I think anyone caught in a criminal enterprise should be executed immediately, first offense. If we killed off the criminals, population would trend down drastically, PLUS, we would not have to put up with the criminal crap any longer.

Think about it.

16 April 2010, 09:04 AM	#1
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Sub Fraud In The US.. WARNING Z396297 It has come up that there have been some counterfeit Subs found in the US at a couple of different locations in the South/Southwest.. Apparently counterfeit Sub Cases (more than one) with serial number Z396297 have been sold with legitimate movements. Frequently Counterfeits from the same maker all have the same serial number so check any potential Z Sub purchase carefully........ this will be a very difficult fraud to detect if the movement is a Rolex 3035/3135.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

16 April 2010, 09:22 AM	#8
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16 April 2010, 09:45 AM	#11
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16 April 2010, 10:17 AM	#13
Bon Temps "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: LA Watch: SD43 Posts: 360	Cat and Mouse The fakes will only get better. Rolex will have to stay a step ahead and we all need to be very vigilant. As many wiser than me have said before; buy the seller then buy the watch, or as Mosco puts it "consider the source" !

16 April 2010, 10:40 AM	#14
kingblackbolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Ren Location: Toronto On Canada Posts: 1,886	Legitimate movements but in a fake case... damn that is confusing! Would Rolex even service this watch if it was sent to the RSC? Thanks for the serial number Larry! __________________ “Hail to the king, baby" Ash (Army of Darkness 1992)

16 April 2010, 09:05 AM	#2
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	Are they gold or SS Subs Larry?

16 April 2010, 09:06 AM	#3
Dilemma "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,170	It just never ends does it.

16 April 2010, 09:07 AM	#4
DAVIDSW ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2024 SubLV41 Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: David Location: Orlando, Florida Watch: 1655 EXP Posts: 36,337	SS Subs.

16 April 2010, 09:08 AM	#5
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	Mentioned here as well... http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=124774

16 April 2010, 09:19 AM	#7
Mockingbird "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: -- Posts: 2,097	Thanks for bringing this to all of our attention! You may have just saved some people from having a terrible experience buying.

16 April 2010, 09:31 AM	#9
thoang "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Tuan Location: SF Bay Area Watch: Deepsea Posts: 103	I would hope that any prospective buyers Google serial number Z396297 and this thread shows up.

16 April 2010, 09:43 AM	#10
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	Crazy!

16 April 2010, 11:14 AM	#15
vintage69 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Bob W Location: sunny sw Watch: 1969 p date Posts: 382	My watchmaker,Dave, has warned me of the fake Rolexes. He showed me a very well made Chinese Daytona the other day. He said the movement was excellent but the giveaway was the main spring and the slight difference in the size of the hands. By the way, one local AD verified the watch as real!!! Dave verifies watches for some of the major auction houses.

16 April 2010, 11:31 AM	#16
JUSTROLEXES ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2024 SubLV41 Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Tony Geha Location: San Diego, CA Watch: Yacht-Master Posts: 51,110	Thanks for the Updates Larry __________________ Instagram @JustRolexes 2FA security active

16 April 2010, 11:35 AM	#17
karmatp "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Trevor Location: Arizona Posts: 5,740	This is why people hide their serial numbers. It has happened before and it will keep happening, really sad. __________________ My grails:

16 April 2010, 11:42 AM	#19
Brunotheboxer Banned Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Bruno Location: Boston/Cape Cod Watch: 16610,PAM. 111, G Posts: 7,608	Not for nothing..........But why put a real movement in a fake case???? I dont get this whole concept.. I'm not saying this is not happening, I just dont understand it.

16 April 2010, 12:00 PM	#21
toolr 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Northwest Posts: 1,369	This is why I only buy new from an AD.

16 April 2010, 12:06 PM	#22
SLA "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: GMT-8 Watch: 14060M, 116520 Posts: 153	Have there been confirmed fakes with the Rolex-Rolex-Rolex engraved rehaut with the serial number at the 6 position?

16 April 2010, 12:15 PM	#24
2th Dr Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Mark-O! Location: Arlington, TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 12,714	That stinks! Thanks for the heads-up Larry!

16 April 2010, 12:17 PM	#25
hennabav Banned Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jon Location: New England Watch: --Rolex-- Posts: 2,391	Thanks for the update Larry!! I'm sure we all appreciate this...and all keep our eyes open for them.

16 April 2010, 12:23 PM	#26
gmaines Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Riverside, CA Watch: Submariner&SDDS Posts: 306	Larry, Thanks for the heads up....

17 April 2010, 04:33 AM	#28
nch209 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Nathan Location: Northern Virginia Posts: 2,775	This stinks... Wonder if there is a single legit one with That serial... That would stink more! Was there any notes about the band codes??? Lots of fakes... I saw another GMT2c that looked darn good. Be careful out there. __________________ nch209

17 April 2010, 04:41 AM	#29
eagle_lex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Ed Location: Lexington, Ky Watch: AP and Rolex Posts: 541	just because the movement "looks" like a legit rolex momement... dont even believe that. some of these high end replicas/fakes have rolex "looking" movements as well. i would say that is what is in these. much better profit and no hassels finding a legit movement and swapping it. the newer fakes are VERY good. one maker even uses unique serial numbers on every fake they produce.... they use to use the same one over and over (in the OPs case here) but not always the case. u can usually tell just by winding the movement if you are a rolex owner. ETAs dont wind anything like a Rolex movement.

17 April 2010, 04:57 AM	#30
chris russell Banned Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Peterborough, ON Watch: your mouth. Posts: 1,023	I honestly believe there are too many people in the world, and we don't need... the criminals. There is already starvation, global warming from too much energy use, disease, etc. from overcrowding. I think anyone caught in a criminal enterprise should be executed immediately, first offense. If we killed off the criminals, population would trend down drastically, PLUS, we would not have to put up with the criminal crap any longer. Think about it.

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