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Goodwatch · 8 September 2005, 05:56 AM

I need sound advice from owners of both the Sub and the SD. I know the Sub, wore one for a couple of years before it got stolen. This year I want to purchase a new one OR a Sea-Dweller. I’ve gained interest in the SD lately because it’s a little more special then the Sub and the price difference over here is negligible.

I’m comfortable with the added thickness of the SD, I have a watch that is equal in thickness. What I need to know is what the added weight does to the wearing experience. Does it become a cumbersome clunker?

Even to the point that you find yourself wearing the Sub more often? What is your experience?

Thanks,

Frans.

JJ Irani · 8 September 2005, 06:03 AM

Well, Frans, for starters let me give you their respective weights.

SD = 148 grams.
Sub/Date = 135 grams.

As you can see, there's just an additional 13 grams on the SD....so the weight factor would hardly come into play.

Since you're not overly concerned about the thickness, the SD would be a nice way to go.

Cheers and good luck - JJ

PS: If you want weight, you should wear my pumpkin - 222 grams...whew!!

Uncle-AJ · 8 September 2005, 06:11 AM

Get the SD Frans............................you won't regret it.

Goodwatch · 8 September 2005, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

PS: If you want weight, you should wear my pumpkin - 222 grams...whew!!

Oh no, not again!

I asked for sound advice, not BS

BTW, I saw that one of your interests is 'friends'. Got any left after all that boring

talk about the PO?

On a seriuous note: yesterday I asked you in one of my crazy replies if you could send me some pictures of the goodies that come with the PO, some details on the movement and a review. Via PRIVATE e-mail. Think that is possible?

Take care,

Frans.

Goodwatch · 8 September 2005, 06:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Uncle-AJ

Get the SD Frans............................you won't regret it.

You are just using me to reach your goal, and that hurts

Frans.

mamas · 8 September 2005, 06:18 AM

Hey Frans,
i only own one rolex and that is the SD..i am mainly an omega watch man. When i was thinking about buying a SD i was put off aboutr stories regarding its weight, how cumbersome watch is etc etc.. can i say that most of this is utter nonsense.. the SD is a great watch and is neither heavy or cumbersome.. i think that it is a much cleaner dial than sub because it doesnt have cyclops, and it is not too common in non- WIS circles. I absolutely love my SD and would heartily recoomend it. I did try sub out but it didnt really smile at me.
good luck with your choice

(SDSDSDSDSDSDSDSDSDSSDSDSDS

)
MAMAS

Goodwatch · 8 September 2005, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Uncle-AJ

Get the SD Frans............................you won't regret it.

You are there! Was it as good for you as it was for me?

Reaching your goal, I mean

Frans.

Seadweller · 8 September 2005, 08:37 AM

The SD is very,very comfortable.It sits really well on your wrist, so well in fact you hardly even know its there.
My advice would be to buy one, they are less common than the Sub and not as orange as JJ's pumpkin !

JIM- · 8 September 2005, 09:31 AM

I don't own a sub or SD however I would go with the SD for sure. I tried to get myself to buy one but still can't get past the huge price tag. Gorgeous watch but heavy on the funds.

Gedanken · 8 September 2005, 10:01 AM

I've never owned a Sub, but I did try both the Sub and SD on a fair few times before deciding. Ultimately, the SD had more presence and was less well known (well, by the plebs, anyway

), and I've never regretted getting it.

Clifton · 8 September 2005, 12:41 PM

Own them both and love them both. If I could own only one Rolex it would be the SUB date. However, the SD makes an excellent second Rolex and even though it is larger it is very stealth. Not to mention the SD has the cult like feel to it, kind of like you are wearing a secret that only other Rolex enthusiast will recognize.

GO SD!!!

dman · 8 September 2005, 01:50 PM

Try it on, I think you will be surprised that is not that big of a difference, the SD is awesome. The bigger difference to me is whether you want the cyclops or not.

padi56 · 8 September 2005, 04:53 PM

Like Daren said its all down to personnel choice,the weight size thing you will
not notice on wrist.My choice would be the SD not as common as Sub myself
not a lover of the cyclops anyway.

Rockrolex · 8 September 2005, 10:44 PM

Contrary to Padi's preference, between the SD and the Sub, I would opt for the Sub, precisely because of the cyclops. I prefer the cyclops to the wimpy little date window on the SD.

I would only go for the SD if you were planning to tank dive to 1000 m or more. Since I don't dive more than 1 m, I would have no need for the helium valve on the SD.

dman · 9 September 2005, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockrolex

I would only go for the SD if you were planning to tank dive to 1000 m or more. Since I don't dive more than 1 m, I would have no need for the helium valve on the SD.

It is a cool conversation piece Ed.

Goodwatch · 9 September 2005, 03:26 AM

Thanks for all the answers, it's up to my personal choice I guess. (Now THAT was a great help

). Only one question remains: is it possible to wear a SD whilst taking a shower?

Bit worried you know, expensive watch

Take care,

Frans.

dman · 9 September 2005, 03:31 AM

Sure you can, just don't drop it!! Ask James about that.

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=778

JJ Irani · 9 September 2005, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Thanks for all the answers, it's up to my personal choice I guess. (Now THAT was a great help

). Only one question remains: is it possible to wear a SD whilst taking a shower?

Bit worried you know, expensive watch

Take care,

Frans.

Frans,

Also keep one thing in mind. If you're really planning on keeping the watch long time, then the Sub/Date would be a better buy.

Servicing of an SD can be much more expensive than the Sub.

9 September 2005, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Frans,

Also keep one thing in mind. If you're really planning on keeping the watch long time, then the Sub/Date would be a better buy.

Servicing of an SD can be much more expensive than the Sub.

JJ, I'm wondering how servicing of a SD can be more expensive than a sub. They both share the same movement. I mean, servicing should be performed more frequently than the recommended 5 year intervals if you dive a lot (to ensure waterproofness), but beyond that (which applies to any watch used for diving) I'm at a loss to figure how a SD is more expensive to service than a sub.

Cheers mate!

JJ Irani · 9 September 2005, 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

JJ, I'm wondering how servicing of a SD can be more expensive than a sub. They both share the same movement. I mean, servicing should be performed more frequently than the recommended 5 year intervals if you dive a lot (to ensure waterproofness), but beyond that (which applies to any watch used for diving) I'm at a loss to figure how a SD is more expensive to service than a sub.

Cheers mate!

Good question, Johnny. I had asked this same question of David (Mansor) who is also a watchmaker by trade and owner of Mansor's Jewellers.

Well this is what he had to say: During service of the SD, it is mandatory (as per Rolex rules) to replace the He valve (whether you've used it or not...whether you've gone down deep enough to incorporate its use or not) all that is immaterial. It HAS to be replaced.

Next comes the heavier duty gasket on the case back. Costs more. I mean, overall you would be looking at a few extra hundred dollars, but that's the truth of the matter.

I guess, at the end of the day, it really doesn't matter at all because one would be servicing an SD only after 6~7 years of daily normal wear....unless, of course, the guy was into some serious professional diving business....in which case the servicing interval would come much sooner.

JJ

Goodwatch · 9 September 2005, 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Ir....unless, of course, the guy was into some serious professional diving business.

JJ

Does taking a bath fall in that category?

Frans.

9 September 2005, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Does taking a bath fall in that category?

Frans.

Frans, only if you get into your tub in a full-on wet suit with fins and dive mast. But frankly, that's information you should keep to yourself.

JJ Irani · 9 September 2005, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

Frans, only if you get into your tub in a full-on wet suit with fins and dive mast. But frankly, that's information you should keep to yourself.

LOL!

BTW, how come you tossers have this uncanny knack of converting even the most serious of threads into a nonsensical fiasco?

9 September 2005, 05:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

During service of the SD, it is mandatory (as per Rolex rules) to replace the He valve (whether you've used it or not...whether you've gone down deep enough to incorporate its use or not) all that is immaterial. It HAS to be replaced.

Next comes the heavier duty gasket on the case back. Costs more. I mean, overall you would be looking at a few extra hundred dollars, but that's the truth of the matter.

JJ

I'm not doubting you JJ, but the mandatory replacement of something that has never been used, or pushed to the limit sounds like

from a service person. And a gasket costing a few hundred dollars extra? It's a rubber O-ring for pete's sake!

Granted, JJ has never owned a Rolex long enough to see it through a service...

but if a regluar Rolex costs (generally) $300 to service, I have trouble seeing a SD costing double that. If that were the case, I'd dump mine before service time. Hmmm... there is methond to JJ's madness afterall.

JJ Irani · 9 September 2005, 05:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

I'm not doubting you JJ, but the mandatory replacement of something that has never been used, or pushed to the limit sounds like

from a service person. And a gasket costing a few hundred dollars extra? It's a rubber O-ring for pete's sake!

Granted, JJ has never owned a Rolex long enough to see it through a service...

but if a regluar Rolex costs (generally) $300 to service, I have trouble seeing a SD costing double that. If that were the case, I'd dump mine before service time. Hmmm... there is methond to JJ's madness afterall.

LOL!

Yes, quite true....there always seems to be some method to my perpetual madness!!

As I said, the cost would probably be a couple of extra hundred dollars, valve replacement and all (must include the labour too); but if it's after 7 odd years, then it hardly matters, I guess.

Goodwatch · 9 September 2005, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

LOL!

BTW, how come you tossers have this uncanny knack of converting even the most serious of threads into a nonsensical fiasco?

It takes one to know one JJ. Most of my serious posts (yes, I do have 'em) crash and burn right after you step in!

Take care,

Frans.

JJ Irani · 9 September 2005, 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

It takes one to know one JJ. Most of my serious posts (yes, I do have 'em) crash and burn right after you step in!

Take care,

Frans.

That's right, go ahead and blame it all on poor ole' me!!

BTW, Frans, how come you still haven't replied to my special post to you re: my OMEGA PO box and other things I've posted on the other section. Hope you've seen it yet!!

Goodwatch · 9 September 2005, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

That's right, go ahead and blame it all on poor ole' me!!

BTW, Frans, how come you still haven't replied to my special post to you re: my OMEGA PO box and other things I've posted on the other section. Hope you've seen it yet!!

JJ, did you send me a private message or an e-mail? I didn't get anything...

FRans.

JJ Irani · 9 September 2005, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Goodwatch

JJ, did you send me a private message or an e-mail? I didn't get anything...

FRans.

It's on this very forum under WATCHES (non-Rolex) and the thread title is: Just for you, Frans.

Go ahead and read it and then let me have your opinion. Thanks.

JJ

8 September 2005, 05:56 AM	#1
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	Advice needed I need sound advice from owners of both the Sub and the SD. I know the Sub, wore one for a couple of years before it got stolen. This year I want to purchase a new one OR a Sea-Dweller. I’ve gained interest in the SD lately because it’s a little more special then the Sub and the price difference over here is negligible. I’m comfortable with the added thickness of the SD, I have a watch that is equal in thickness. What I need to know is what the added weight does to the wearing experience. Does it become a cumbersome clunker? Even to the point that you find yourself wearing the Sub more often? What is your experience? Thanks, Frans. __________________ Member# 127

8 September 2005, 06:03 AM	#2
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Well, Frans, for starters let me give you their respective weights. SD = 148 grams. Sub/Date = 135 grams. As you can see, there's just an additional 13 grams on the SD....so the weight factor would hardly come into play. Since you're not overly concerned about the thickness, the SD would be a nice way to go. Cheers and good luck - JJ PS: If you want weight, you should wear my pumpkin - 222 grams...whew!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

8 September 2005, 06:11 AM	#3
Uncle-AJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Real Name: Adrian Location: Bolton, UK. Watch: Daytona 116520 Posts: 6,844	Get the SD Frans............................you won't regret it. __________________ A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure.........Segal's Law Member #10

8 September 2005, 10:01 AM	#10
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	I've never owned a Sub, but I did try both the Sub and SD on a fair few times before deciding. Ultimately, the SD had more presence and was less well known (well, by the plebs, anyway ), and I've never regretted getting it. __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

8 September 2005, 01:50 PM	#12
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	Try it on, I think you will be surprised that is not that big of a difference, the SD is awesome. The bigger difference to me is whether you want the cyclops or not. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

8 September 2005, 06:18 AM	#6
mamas "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 792	Hey Frans, i only own one rolex and that is the SD..i am mainly an omega watch man. When i was thinking about buying a SD i was put off aboutr stories regarding its weight, how cumbersome watch is etc etc.. can i say that most of this is utter nonsense.. the SD is a great watch and is neither heavy or cumbersome.. i think that it is a much cleaner dial than sub because it doesnt have cyclops, and it is not too common in non- WIS circles. I absolutely love my SD and would heartily recoomend it. I did try sub out but it didnt really smile at me. good luck with your choice (SDSDSDSDSDSDSDSDSDSSDSDSDS ) MAMAS

8 September 2005, 08:37 AM	#8
Seadweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 750	The SD is very,very comfortable.It sits really well on your wrist, so well in fact you hardly even know its there. My advice would be to buy one, they are less common than the Sub and not as orange as JJ's pumpkin !

8 September 2005, 09:31 AM	#9
JIM- Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 599	I don't own a sub or SD however I would go with the SD for sure. I tried to get myself to buy one but still can't get past the huge price tag. Gorgeous watch but heavy on the funds.

8 September 2005, 12:41 PM	#11
Clifton Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Earth Posts: 148	Own them both and love them both. If I could own only one Rolex it would be the SUB date. However, the SD makes an excellent second Rolex and even though it is larger it is very stealth. Not to mention the SD has the cult like feel to it, kind of like you are wearing a secret that only other Rolex enthusiast will recognize. GO SD!!!

8 September 2005, 04:53 PM	#13
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,062	Like Daren said its all down to personnel choice,the weight size thing you will not notice on wrist.My choice would be the SD not as common as Sub myself not a lover of the cyclops anyway. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

8 September 2005, 10:44 PM	#14
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,967	Contrary to Padi's preference, between the SD and the Sub, I would opt for the Sub, precisely because of the cyclops. I prefer the cyclops to the wimpy little date window on the SD. I would only go for the SD if you were planning to tank dive to 1000 m or more. Since I don't dive more than 1 m, I would have no need for the helium valve on the SD. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

9 September 2005, 03:26 AM	#16
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	Thanks for all the answers, it's up to my personal choice I guess. (Now THAT was a great help ). Only one question remains: is it possible to wear a SD whilst taking a shower? Bit worried you know, expensive watch Take care, Frans. __________________ Member# 127

9 September 2005, 03:31 AM	#17
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	Sure you can, just don't drop it!! Ask James about that. http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=778 __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

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