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mcjp6 · 19 May 2010, 03:46 PM

I am not happy with a couple of things here, Anyone else see anything??

seller gelbmelfra

You are bidding on a beautiful 100% originals Rolex Submariner model 5508 from Approximately 1958. (Serial number starting with 489xxx) Probably one of the best known watches in the world of James Bond.

The clock is running perfectly and was durchgeschaut of a master watchmaker and cleaned.

Please provide the basis of the original photo a picture of this great clock.

Model: Submariner

Reference: 5508 of 1958

Housing: 489xxx serial number

Pointer game: Tritium

Dial: Original Rolex Tritium Dial NOS

Glass: plexiglass

Bezel: Tritium

Generally a good state of the Clock.

http://cgi.ebay.de/Rolex-Oyster-Subm...item335d07ab2d

Nicko · 19 May 2010, 04:01 PM

To me it looks good, that's why I will never buy anything like this from eBay again. I can't see anything between the lugs at the 12 O'clock though. The pics are too small for me to notice anything really. Please don't keep us in suspense too long!

BASSETHOUNDS · 19 May 2010, 04:04 PM

Pictures are pretty poor . I cannot get a clear picture of what is written in the case back. Movement looks to be a 1030 which is correct for a 1958 5508.
I'll just wait to see the findings of the real vintage experts .

mcjp6 · 19 May 2010, 04:17 PM

Steve, Just hit ctrl & "+" a couple of times and check out the coronet on the dial.

BASSETHOUNDS · 19 May 2010, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by mcjp6

Steve, Just hit ctrl & "+" a couple of times and check out the coronet on the dial.

We Mac users cannot do that

I tried it with another browser ( Firefox) and the detail is limited for me . Hope you guys see more with your PC's

mcjp6 · 19 May 2010, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

We Mac users cannot do that

I tried it with another browser ( Firefox) and the detail is limited for me . Hope you guys see more with your PC's

How do you guys with Macs see anything??? I do that all the time. Can you go to the actual listing and enlarge the pic there? Definitely something not right with that dial.

Nicko · 19 May 2010, 05:38 PM

Mac here!!!!!!!! I'll try to blow it up another way.

Nicko · 19 May 2010, 05:40 PM

OK, I see what you mean, I had to save the pic and then enlarge it, but it got pretty blurry once I did it. The opening at the bottom of the coronet it very large, I guess this is what you mean. Looking at my 5513 right now and the opening is very small. Hmmmm, wish we had better pics..

BASSETHOUNDS · 19 May 2010, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by mcjp6

How do you guys with Macs see anything??? I do that all the time. Can you go to the actual listing and enlarge the pic there? Definitely something not right with that dial.

Same as Steven , we get the pictures of Ebay via "Firefox" and then we can blow them up. It really depends on the resolution of the original picture , like in this case it is a difficult thing to call .
That crown could indeed be off , but I honestly not call that with any degree of certainty . I have to give benefit of doubt to the seller on this one . Hope you guys can get more certainty . Maybe Orchi or SteveM. will chime in .

Nicko · 19 May 2010, 07:14 PM

Well, if it's the real deal and it can be verified then the opening bid on it is a steal. I wouldn't risk it without confirmation from a very reliable source and I'd have to have it authenticated. You would think a seller who has such a piece would at least spend the extra money to get the supersize photos! I mean, if I'm selling an expensive collectors piece and I have nothing to hide then I would include some very hi-res photos of all the details. What the hell do these sellers think?

Nicko · 19 May 2010, 07:21 PM

The movement looks different as well...The coronet on the balance is wrong and there is no writing either...Look at this one...

Compare with the sellers..

Jackxv · 19 May 2010, 07:43 PM

Movement is real , propably the rotor, axle and bearing are service replacement, though the construction of the rotor onto the axle seems weird

These type of winding mechanisms suffer severe damage, also to base plates and case, if not properly serviced.

Jack

mcjp6 · 19 May 2010, 09:17 PM

The coronet is wrong, the font on the bezel is wrong, the "Swiss" at 6 oclock is way off center. Seller is claiming an original dial here but I do not think this is correct at all.

BASSETHOUNDS · 19 May 2010, 09:20 PM

I believe you Michael , just I cannot get a decent picture of that watch on my computer . I will have a go at it from a PC at the office .

stevemulholland3 · 19 May 2010, 09:24 PM

the dial appears alright..thats the correct coronet for this model.(it appears slightly distorted from the crystal)
unfortunately I cannot tell you difinitively whether the case is correct because I just dont
have enough good pictures to say for certain..from what I see it looks to be fine..but if I where going to buy it I would definitelyt ask for more pics..especially side shots because the 5508 has peculiar lugs that are rarely if ever reproduced correctly.
I would definitely like to see close-ups of the caseback.

mcjp6 · 19 May 2010, 09:29 PM

Thanks Steve......

And the off center "Swiss" is OK? I might send the seller an email and ask for some better pictures.

Nicko · 20 May 2010, 05:12 AM

Any more info?

marble · 20 May 2010, 06:00 AM

It's a fake and already discussed on VRF.

Search for "ATTENTION! complete fake 5508 in ebay..."

Nicko · 20 May 2010, 06:09 AM

Wow!

This is really scary!

I can not tell, even looking at the hi res pics on VRF I can not tell!

BASSETHOUNDS · 20 May 2010, 06:13 AM

Een goeden avond aan de man van Antwerpen .
We beter go and have a look at that on VRF . If it is indeed a fake it better find its way to the Tin bin and fast !

Nicko · 20 May 2010, 06:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

Een goeden avond aan de man van Antwerpen .
We beter go and have a look at that on VRF . If it is indeed a fake it better find its way to the Tin bin and fast !

Please, many bids already, I was even thinking about it!!!

Man do I feel stupid...

BASSETHOUNDS · 20 May 2010, 06:26 AM

I just went through the TRF thread , Ok but ,I find the argumentation fairly limited . We had SteveM come here saying that the dial looked ok . There is very little to go on by those pictures .
Let us contact buddy Orchi first

marble · 20 May 2010, 07:32 AM

Case is wrong, no beveled lugs, caseback is fake to flat, bezel looks like an 5510 aftermarket.
Dial is fake, look at the coronet and markers.

marble · 20 May 2010, 07:38 AM

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mcjp6 · 20 May 2010, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marble

Case is wrong, no beveled lugs, caseback is fake to flat, bezel looks like an 5510 aftermarket.
Dial is fake, look at the coronet and markers.

It was the coronet/bezel font that first got my attention but I must admit with those pictures I cannot pick the case or caseback.

BASSETHOUNDS · 20 May 2010, 05:25 PM

Right , let's have a go at it . Germany is a real pain to get stuff removed . Just look at the flagrant Tudor rouder we still haven't been able to get removed . Trust me , all the possible has been done

BASSETHOUNDS · 20 May 2010, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marble

Case is wrong, no beveled lugs, caseback is fake to flat, bezel looks like an 5510 aftermarket.
Dial is fake, look at the coronet and markers.

The beveled lugs would be indeed a interesting point , that was what SteveM was referring to . But this is the problem .. the pictures do not allow you to see that . Same the case back id really hard to judge by the pictures we have .

BASSETHOUNDS · 20 May 2010, 05:54 PM

As lighting ! Congrats Michael that was a great call !

Dieses Angebot (220604115757) wurde entfernt oder der Artikel ist nicht verfügbar.
Bitte stellen Sie sicher, dass Sie die richtige Artikelnummer eingegeben haben.
Angebote, die vor mehr als 90 Tagen beendet wurden, können nicht mehr aufgerufen werden.

Nicko · 20 May 2010, 06:02 PM

WOW! Simply magic Michael...You are wonderful. I wonder if the people who bid on that realize just how lucky they are to have someone like you and TRF to keep them from being screwed royally! Great work!

mcjp6 · 20 May 2010, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BASSETHOUNDS

Dieses Angebot (220604115757) wurde entfernt oder der Artikel ist nicht verfügbar.
Bitte stellen Sie sicher, dass Sie die richtige Artikelnummer eingegeben haben.
Angebote, die vor mehr als 90 Tagen beendet wurden, können nicht mehr aufgerufen werden.

That is a good result.......

Someone could have lost some serious money here which is the other side of the coin, good work by all.

19 May 2010, 03:46 PM	#1
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	Suspect 5508 I am not happy with a couple of things here, Anyone else see anything?? seller gelbmelfra You are bidding on a beautiful 100% originals Rolex Submariner model 5508 from Approximately 1958. (Serial number starting with 489xxx) Probably one of the best known watches in the world of James Bond. The clock is running perfectly and was durchgeschaut of a master watchmaker and cleaned. Please provide the basis of the original photo a picture of this great clock. Model: Submariner Reference: 5508 of 1958 Housing: 489xxx serial number Pointer game: Tritium Dial: Original Rolex Tritium Dial NOS Glass: plexiglass Bezel: Tritium Generally a good state of the Clock. http://cgi.ebay.de/Rolex-Oyster-Subm...item335d07ab2d Attached Images

19 May 2010, 07:43 PM	#12
Jackxv "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 969	Movement is real Movement is real , propably the rotor, axle and bearing are service replacement, though the construction of the rotor onto the axle seems weird These type of winding mechanisms suffer severe damage, also to base plates and case, if not properly serviced. Jack

19 May 2010, 04:01 PM	#2
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	To me it looks good, that's why I will never buy anything like this from eBay again. I can't see anything between the lugs at the 12 O'clock though. The pics are too small for me to notice anything really. Please don't keep us in suspense too long!

19 May 2010, 04:04 PM	#3
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Pictures are pretty poor . I cannot get a clear picture of what is written in the case back. Movement looks to be a 1030 which is correct for a 1958 5508. I'll just wait to see the findings of the real vintage experts .

19 May 2010, 04:17 PM	#4
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	Steve, Just hit ctrl & "+" a couple of times and check out the coronet on the dial.

19 May 2010, 05:38 PM	#7
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	Mac here!!!!!!!! I'll try to blow it up another way.

19 May 2010, 05:40 PM	#8
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	OK, I see what you mean, I had to save the pic and then enlarge it, but it got pretty blurry once I did it. The opening at the bottom of the coronet it very large, I guess this is what you mean. Looking at my 5513 right now and the opening is very small. Hmmmm, wish we had better pics..

19 May 2010, 07:14 PM	#10
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	Well, if it's the real deal and it can be verified then the opening bid on it is a steal. I wouldn't risk it without confirmation from a very reliable source and I'd have to have it authenticated. You would think a seller who has such a piece would at least spend the extra money to get the supersize photos! I mean, if I'm selling an expensive collectors piece and I have nothing to hide then I would include some very hi-res photos of all the details. What the hell do these sellers think?

19 May 2010, 07:21 PM	#11
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	The movement looks different as well...The coronet on the balance is wrong and there is no writing either...Look at this one... Compare with the sellers..

19 May 2010, 09:17 PM	#13
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	The coronet is wrong, the font on the bezel is wrong, the "Swiss" at 6 oclock is way off center. Seller is claiming an original dial here but I do not think this is correct at all.

19 May 2010, 09:20 PM	#14
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	I believe you Michael , just I cannot get a decent picture of that watch on my computer . I will have a go at it from a PC at the office .

19 May 2010, 09:24 PM	#15
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,672	the dial appears alright..thats the correct coronet for this model.(it appears slightly distorted from the crystal) unfortunately I cannot tell you difinitively whether the case is correct because I just dont have enough good pictures to say for certain..from what I see it looks to be fine..but if I where going to buy it I would definitelyt ask for more pics..especially side shots because the 5508 has peculiar lugs that are rarely if ever reproduced correctly. I would definitely like to see close-ups of the caseback.

19 May 2010, 09:29 PM	#16
mcjp6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Michael Location: VK2 - AUS Watch: 5513s Posts: 7,380	Thanks Steve...... And the off center "Swiss" is OK? I might send the seller an email and ask for some better pictures.

20 May 2010, 05:12 AM	#17
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	Any more info?

20 May 2010, 06:00 AM	#18
marble "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Antwerp Watch: Daytona Posts: 36	It's a fake and already discussed on VRF. Search for "ATTENTION! complete fake 5508 in ebay..."

20 May 2010, 06:09 AM	#19
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	Wow! This is really scary! I can not tell, even looking at the hi res pics on VRF I can not tell!

20 May 2010, 06:13 AM	#20
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Een goeden avond aan de man van Antwerpen . We beter go and have a look at that on VRF . If it is indeed a fake it better find its way to the Tin bin and fast !

20 May 2010, 06:26 AM	#22
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	I just went through the TRF thread , Ok but ,I find the argumentation fairly limited . We had SteveM come here saying that the dial looked ok . There is very little to go on by those pictures . Let us contact buddy Orchi first

20 May 2010, 07:32 AM	#23
marble "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Antwerp Watch: Daytona Posts: 36	Case is wrong, no beveled lugs, caseback is fake to flat, bezel looks like an 5510 aftermarket. Dial is fake, look at the coronet and markers.

20 May 2010, 07:38 AM	#24
marble "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Antwerp Watch: Daytona Posts: 36	.

20 May 2010, 05:25 PM	#26
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	Right , let's have a go at it . Germany is a real pain to get stuff removed . Just look at the flagrant Tudor rouder we still haven't been able to get removed . Trust me , all the possible has been done

20 May 2010, 05:54 PM	#28
BASSETHOUNDS Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Tristan Location: GIRONA , SPAIN Watch: 116520/660/710/334 Posts: 7,147	As lighting ! Congrats Michael that was a great call ! Dieses Angebot (220604115757) wurde entfernt oder der Artikel ist nicht verfügbar. Bitte stellen Sie sicher, dass Sie die richtige Artikelnummer eingegeben haben. Angebote, die vor mehr als 90 Tagen beendet wurden, können nicht mehr aufgerufen werden.

20 May 2010, 06:02 PM	#29
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	WOW! Simply magic Michael...You are wonderful. I wonder if the people who bid on that realize just how lucky they are to have someone like you and TRF to keep them from being screwed royally! Great work!

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