I am SOOOO tired of the whining about AD's who dont discount....

[Newportkrieger]

It amazes me that so many TRF members do not understand that there is a "cost" to maintaining a brick and mortar store front where they all can go in and "window shop/try on , and yet not buy watches.

I doubt ANY TRF member works for free and resents when their customers/employers demand discounts and pay cuts, yet they feel that a Rolex AD exists purely for their personal service and pleasure.. FOR FREE!

Grow up people and quit whining if you cant afford the watch. If you like to shop then shop.. we don't need to hear about retailers who don't bow down to you and give you a watch at cost after establishing and maintaining a storefront( often in an expensive yet convenient mall), employees ( and all the expenses associated), the carrying cost of a big inventory(for all you looky loo's to fondle) and then, heaven forbid, the retailer who wants to make a profit!

I am always interested in hearing about bad service or uninformed/unprofessional sales staff at an AD selling at full retail. We all expect and deserve a professional experience if MSRP at a Rolex AD. Rolex expects this of its AD's as well!

Please, don't think you are making news by telling us Rolex AD's are looking to get full MSRP for their inventory. Don't expect a AD with all the overhead to match the price of one of the TRF sellers here who are "Internet" based sales operations with the low overhead to match.... it just makes you look so uneducated/unsophisticated in the world of commerce.

Just my personal opinion.

[Ozzie]

Well said.

I also dislike the constant encouragement of tax fraud by getting the AD to ship out of State.

[hooliganhooker]

Personally, I have no issue with paying MSRP. But I do have issue with paying 2010 MSRP on a watch that has sat in the case for four years.

[Tunacan26]

I couldn't agree more. News flash, we are not entitled to anything. If the AD doesn't make the deal you want, walk. Period. End of story. You want it bad enough to buy it at the AD's price, do so. If not, buy it here, 99.9% of the time, FOR LESS MONEY.

[TimeToGo]

If someone shops around and saves $2K, good for them.

If someone does not care and has the money to ditch, good for them!

Either way, they will live to talk about it on TRF!

[Paul B]

The internet has changed the way the planet shops and will continue to do so. We can buy almost anything anywhere in the world, adapt or disappear.



Paul

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by hooliganhooker

Personally, I have no issue with paying MSRP. But I do have issue with paying 2010 MSRP on a watch that has sat in the case for four years.

Why, because if you ran the store you would fire sale it out to keep your Rolex inventory from becoming "stale"? What is the wear and tear on a watch that sits ANYWHERE for four years non running? They go bad exposed to AD air and lighting and being handled with gloves

For some people who want a now discontinued model, that is a great service. For a current model, choose one of a more current manufacture date or go elsewhere, don't bitch about it like its some conspiracy against you personally.

[greekbum]

DISCOUNTS are not for everybody and those that get them know how to and those that cant or don't whine The price is the price at the AD you want it buy it or if you have some skills try and get a better price its that simple.

[gaopa]

Frankly, I only pay MSRP for a loaf of bread! I think the price of Rolex watches now is so over inflated that they are not worth near what the MSRP is on them. If one is willing to pay, fine.... just not me! Cheers, Bill P.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by Paul B

The internet has changed the way the planet shops and will continue to do so. We can buy almost anything anywhere in the world, adapt or disappear.



Paul

That was said about the film exhibition industry too. It seems that people are willing to venture out from behind thier TV's and computers and PAY (some would say overpay) for the movie theater experience.

I woudl sem since Tourneau and other brick and mortar Rolex AD's are still in business that there are enought Rolex buyers who also want the AD purchacing experience.

I think there are many Rolex AD's whohave invested a LOT of capital in the AD business who would agree with Mark Twain; "The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated "

[BarkMaster]

Why does what other people think, say and do on this topic anger you so much?

Relax... you'll live longer.

[hooliganhooker]

Originally Posted by Newportkrieger

Why, because if you ran the store you would fire sale it out to keep your Rolex inventory from becoming "stale"? What is the wear and tear on a watch that sits ANYWHERE for four years non running? They go bad exposed to AD air and lighting and being handled with gloves

For some people who want a now discontinued model, that is a great service. For a current model, choose one of a more current manufacture date or go elsewhere, don't bitch about it like its some conspiracy against you personally.

It is not "right" that a dealer buys a watch that retails for, say, $5000 in 2006. Then Rolex raises prices 6-10% each year and now they charge $1300-$2300 more than the watch was originally worth.

The issue isn't really with the retailer, it's with Rolex as it is Rolex that will take action against the AD who sells below the designated MSRP.

But seriously, how many other pieces of merchandise sell in this manner...a four year old item being sold at current prices....

[Rogue884]

I haven't seen an AD raise old stock to new MSRP in my travels, generally they offer deeper discount on older inventory. One exception is the ND Sub, and that is only because it is still in production.

Kinda goes in hand with the notion of "Get the best deal possible" on a luxory item, but let them think you paid full retail. I have more people ask me about my Rolex in the past 6 months than in the past ten years. I just say, "Naw its a knock off!" and walk away. Anyone who knows me, will call BS in a heartbeat, those that don't who cares.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by BarkMaster

Why does what other people think, say and do on this topic anger you so much?

Relax... you'll live longer.

I am not angry, maybe a bit frustrated at hearing the whining all the time. I think that there is room here in the forums for an opinion on the otherside of the whining and no one else seems to be willing to step up to the plate and offer it.

BTW.. I never thought id live this long

[HL65]

Originally Posted by greekbum

DISCOUNTS are not for everybody and those that get them know how to and those that cant or don't whine The price is the price at the AD you want it buy it or if you have some skills try and get a better price its that simple.

Well said Nikos my friend!!

[renfield33]

do people really handle rolexes with gloves at ADs? I don't think i've seen that before. kind of makes me laugh.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by hooliganhooker

It is not "right" that a dealer buys a watch that retails for, say, $5000 in 2006. Then Rolex raises prices 6-10% each year and now they charge $1300-$2300 more than the watch was originally worth.

The issue isn't really with the retailer, it's with Rolex as it is Rolex that will take action against the AD who sells below the designated MSRP.

But seriously, how many other pieces of merchandise sell in this manner...a four year old item being sold at current prices....

So you do not give any allowance for "inventory carrying cost"? Nor do you understand the reward for taking on the expense of buying more inventory from Rolex than you can sell in the short term ( thats called an investment)? When you do it you think its great...

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by greekbum

DISCOUNTS are not for everybody and those that get them know how to and those that cant or don't whine The price is the price at the AD you want it buy it or if you have some skills try and get a better price its that simple.

+1 Very well said by someone who lives it daily and really knows!!!

[WJGESQ]

Nothing wrong, ever, with seeking a discount on luxury item and not to do so, in this day and time is quite odd.

[hooliganhooker]

There is already a 60% mark up on the watch and when I pay MSRP, that goes to the dealer's costs. I'm okay with that.

I don't agree with paying an accumulated arbitrary year-on-year mark-up. Would you buy a brand new 2006 Toyota Camry that has set on the dealer's showroom floor for four years and pay the price of a 2010 Camry?

[SLS]

I have to agree with the OP! In the past, I have purchased numerous watches BNIB from AD's, some with a discount, some without. The price was the price! If you want the best deal on a watch, buy pre-owned. Personally, I now prefer to only buy pre-owned if given the choice...the fact that someone else has worn the watch and the papers/card are not in my name does not bother me. It's a personal choice that you have to be comfortable with, which I am. Some may think the risk is too high to buy pre-owned, maybe 4 or 5 years ago I would agree, but now I feel I am knowledgeable enough not to get burned.
Scott

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by hooliganhooker

There is already a 60% mark up on the watch and when I pay MSRP, that goes to the dealer's costs. I'm okay with that.

I don't agree with paying an accumulated arbitrary year-on-year mark-up. Would you buy a brand new 2006 Toyota Camry that has set on the dealer's showroom floor for four years and pay the price of a 2010 Camry?

Of course not.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by WJGESQ

Nothing wrong, ever, with seeking a discount on luxury item and not to do so, in this day and time is quite odd.

That is not my point. One should always ask. It is my opinion that expecting a discount from someone in the "RETAIL" business and then feeling indignant about not being offered one and bitching about it here makes you look like a FOOL.

BTW.. we all want to know about any AD who does/did offer a discount. That said, discounting is very much an "at the moment" kind of thing and a discount offered one day may not be available the next.

[Fiery]

I don't mind pushing my luck at ADs to fight for a nice discount, but IMHO it's much more important to pick the right watch, and then enjoy the hell out of it. The actual purchase, haggling and the rest is just a very short period of time compared to the long hunt, the long drooling, the long debating (which model to choose), the long saving up, and the -- hopefully -- very long enjoyment of the watch.

[BarkMaster]

Originally Posted by Newportkrieger

I am not angry, maybe a bit frustrated at hearing the whining all the time. I think that there is room here in the forums for an opinion on the otherside of the whining and no one else seems to be willing to step up to the plate and offer it.

BTW.. I never thought id live this long

I tend to not read rants... I simply don't care what other people say and do about things that do not directly affect me. I guess you are in sales and that is why it bothers you?

That said, yours was a new one on me, so I am enjoying the read. I am not in sales; I look for good prices, but I am not one to normally ask for discounts. My way to buy is to do some reasearch and see who has the best price/package combo (service & convenience factor into this).

My only experience with someone trying to lowball me was when I was selling a house. My reaction? I raised the price. (Seriously!) That person didn't buy it, but someone else soon did and at the new, improved price I might add.

Take care - and RELAX!!!

[renfield33]

i agree that you should go for the discount, but if you don't get it just walk away. new/high demand models you're definitely not going to get it.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by BarkMaster

I tend to not read rants... I simply don't care what other people say and do about things that do not directly affect me. I guess you are in sales and that is why it bothers you?

That said, yours was a new one on me, so I am enjoying the read. I am not in sales; I look for good prices, but I am not one to normally ask for discounts. My way to buy is to do some reasearch and see who has the best price/package combo (service & convenience factor into this).

My only experience with someone trying to lowball me was when I was selling a house. My reaction? I raised the price. (Seriously!) That person didn't buy it, but someone else soon did and at the new, improved price I might add.

Take care - and RELAX!!!

Since you are addressing my personal background in this public forum, was never in sales of tangible things. Actually I am a retired investment manager/investment broker. I retired 7 years ago at 41. What I am is an unabashed CAPITALIST and subscriber to the philosophies of Ayn Rand ( Atlas Shrugged/ Fountainhead fame).

I am relaxed, just intense I suppose.

[TheCanadian]

Discount...or no discount...years after you enjoy your watch it's not going to matter...If you want a Rolex...get a Rolex

[BarkMaster]

Originally Posted by Newportkrieger

Since you are addressing my personal background in this public forum, was never in sales of tangible things. Actually I am a retired investment manager/investment broker. I retired 7 years ago at 41. What I am is an unabashed CAPITALIST and subscriber to the philosophies of Ayn Rand ( Atlas Shrugged/ Fountainhead fame).

Was not trying to intrude: was trying to understand why you seemed emotionally tied to this topic.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by BarkMaster

Was not trying to intrude: was trying to understand why you seemed emotionally tied to this topic.

I am emotionally and intellectually committed to EVERY opinion I express! If I am not, I will not express the opinion. Thanks for the concern and fyi... I LOVE the bark look on the DD/president