Red sub toe in water

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Hi,

I'm looking around for a decent wearable Red 1680. I've done some background reading and would appreciate opinions on these two:

http://www.watches.co.uk/watch/1025p...bmariner-1680/

http://www.watchguru.com/WatchFiend/...iner-Red/12581

Both look to be the "Mark 6" dial version. Neither has much "patina", not that that worries me greatly. The first one has B&P and is £13k, the second presumably doesn't and is £7.25k.

Do the team think either/both is worth the money, and does B&P add an enormous premium?

I've never dealt with either seller, but Tom Bolt (watchguru) has a good reputation.

Thanks in advance.

James