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khmyjy · 27 April 2011, 10:22 PM

Hi there, I am debating between a Submariner with date or a GMT Master II. Which one is a safer buy for investment? Are they similar size watch except the berzel looks different.

Singslinger · 27 April 2011, 10:27 PM

They are the same size and have essentially the same movement, except that the GMT II has an extra hand to mark off 24 hr time on its bezel so you can track another time zone. The GMT's bezel can rotate in both directions.

The Sub's bezel is different - it marks off time for dives (in minutes) and can only move anticlockwise. This watch's case is also slightly thicker to enable a larger depth rating - 1000ft versus 300ft for the GMT.

IMO neither watch should be viewed as an investment. I believe both hold their value equally well.

Hope this helps.

khmyjy · 27 April 2011, 10:31 PM

thanks for the info

Runnin' Rebel · 27 April 2011, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Singslinger

They are the same size and have essentially the same movement, except that the GMT II has an extra hand to mark off 24 hr time on its bezel so you can track another time zone. The GMT's bezel can rotate in both directions.

The Sub's bezel is different - it marks off time for dives (in minutes) and can only move anticlockwise. This watch's case is also slightly thicker to enable a larger depth rating - 1000ft versus 300ft for the GMT.

IMO neither watch should be viewed as an investment. I believe both hold their value equally well.

Hope this helps.

My GMT II doesn't rotate in both directions, it's a 2001 model year, is that normal for this year ?

Brushpup · 28 April 2011, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by JAGERVEGAS

My GMT II doesn't rotate in both directions, it's a 2001 model year, is that normal for this year ?

Something is wrong. It should go both ways. Bad or wrong click spring. Maybe just dirty underneath.

Dr. Robert · 28 April 2011, 01:24 AM

Another vote for the sub.

Paulie 50 · 28 April 2011, 01:28 AM

Do you know what? i have had Rolex watches for more than 25 years, but never owned a GMT, i dont know why! because i love the 1675, i am going to make that my next buy, but back to the question, either, or, they are both super watches.

wdalew5 · 28 April 2011, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Brushpup

Something is wrong. It should go both ways. Bad or wrong click spring. Maybe just dirty underneath.

I hope my watch goes both ways...I'd be in heaven...

slcbbrown · 27 April 2011, 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Singslinger

They are the same size and have essentially the same movement, except that the GMT II has an extra hand to mark off 24 hr time on its bezel so you can track another time zone. The GMT's bezel can rotate in both directions.

The Sub's bezel is different - it marks off time for dives (in minutes) and can only move anticlockwise. This watch's case is also slightly thicker to enable a larger depth rating - 1000ft versus 300ft for the GMT.

IMO neither watch should be viewed as an investment. I believe both hold their value equally well.

Hope this helps.

I've had both, and Rolex makes piles of each. I like the GMT movement but value the watertightness of the Subs even more. Neither really works as an investment more than the other because Rolex controls the number that reach the market.

bondtoys · 27 April 2011, 10:50 PM

I have been wearing GMT II continuously in the last 25 years. It's now been replaced with a Sub C for one simple reason: The numbers on the GMTIIc bezel are too large, too bold, too "in your face".

If they would have kept the old fonts and size, I would have gotten the GMTIIc.

cgjane · 27 April 2011, 11:09 PM

Sub, the most wanted Rolex, so you wont have trouble selling down the line.

SaddleSC · 27 April 2011, 11:46 PM

I vote for the Submariner. Don't buy it as an investment, buy whichever one appeals to you the most. Good luck in your decision!

CashGap · 28 April 2011, 01:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khmyjy

Hi there, I am debating between a Submariner with date or a GMT Master II. Which one is a safer buy for investment? Are they similar size watch except the berzel looks different.

Others have answered the investment question better than I could.

I flipped back and forth between ceramic Sub and ceramic GMT for some time. You note that they do have similarities.

I settled on the GMT in a sort of "Let's face it" moment... I rarely dive below roughly 1m in the pool. So whereas a GMT can be viewed as slightly Walter Mitty-esque given the many blank pages of my passport. a need for the sub's signature feature could be viewed as delusional!

That said, the call of the TT Blue is strong, and I sense an LB before year end.

Truly, my love of motorsports puts the Daytona VERY high on my list, but I fell in love with the all gold model and can't see tying that much up in one item at this time. I think I need to stew on it and come to the conclusion that the alignment of my fiftieth birthday and the likelihood of a green-handed all gold Daytona in 2012-2013 will be enough to open my wallet.

rolexsweep · 28 April 2011, 02:04 AM

dont look at it as an investment... thats the last thing u want to do! i prefer the gmt c

UJU · 28 April 2011, 02:05 AM

Sub all the way.

raf823 · 28 April 2011, 02:49 AM

SubC for sure...

hng · 28 April 2011, 10:47 AM

Both are great watches. You'll find them quite different in the feel and look.

jx299 · 28 April 2011, 10:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by khmyjy

Hi there, I am debating between a Submariner with date or a GMT Master II. Which one is a safer buy for investment? Are they similar size watch except the berzel looks different.

The right answer is BOTH!

Beats any stock, CD or bonds.

nauticajoe · 28 April 2011, 11:06 AM

Tough choice. Both great watches. I'd probably leaned towards the Sub, unless you're a frequent traveler whereby it makes sense to get the 24hr hand.

Good luck. keep us posted.

horseco · 28 April 2011, 11:12 AM

same thing as far as resale...

threemonkeys · 28 April 2011, 11:33 AM

I went for the GMT rather than the sub. But really, I would have been happy with either.

Art 1 · 28 April 2011, 11:40 AM

I would rather own the GMT.

Hkspwrsche · 28 April 2011, 12:03 PM

Gmt

OneilC · 28 April 2011, 12:16 PM

GMT for me

mpkRolex · 28 April 2011, 12:14 PM

gmt for me too. but I would be happy with the sub too. I just prefer the polished links on the 2c.

blama215 · 28 April 2011, 12:25 PM

SUB C for me love the glide lock

MortgageGuy · 28 April 2011, 01:08 PM

They are both great watches. I own both and they each have pros and cons... I personally do like the PCL's on the GMT so this is a plus for me. The clasp on the Sub IMHO is far superior however the Easy Link on the GMT is more than adequate too. I like the "busy" bezel of the GMT but know others that do not. They also wear quite differnt as well. My best advice would be to try them on and see what one you like best and not to worry what anyone else says

wokafu · 28 April 2011, 01:04 PM

SUB C as a 1st...easier to sell off if you ask me..

slinger · 29 April 2011, 06:27 AM

How do they wear or feel differently. I'm in the same boat as the OP in trying to choose between the sub and gmt ii (and maybe the seadweller??!!) I really need to seek clinical help....

JJL · 29 April 2011, 06:35 AM

To keep and wear? GMT no doubt. I think it looks better plus I'd actually use the time zone functionality when I travel. I don't dive so the Subs functionality wouldn't do much for me.

If I had intention to sell, possibly a Sub because everybody knows and wants a Sub.

27 April 2011, 10:22 PM	#1
khmyjy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Great White North Watch: Sub C, 14060 Posts: 140	Sumariner or GMT Master Hi there, I am debating between a Submariner with date or a GMT Master II. Which one is a safer buy for investment? Are they similar size watch except the berzel looks different.

28 April 2011, 01:24 AM	#6
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,256	Another vote for the sub. __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

27 April 2011, 11:09 PM	#11
cgjane "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Houston Watch: 116509 BlackArabic Posts: 1,176	Sub, the most wanted Rolex, so you wont have trouble selling down the line. __________________ Life is an adventure or nothing at all.

27 April 2011, 11:46 PM	#12
SaddleSC "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Charles B Location: GMT -7 Watch: Hulk 116610LV Posts: 6,131	I vote for the Submariner. Don't buy it as an investment, buy whichever one appeals to you the most. Good luck in your decision! __________________ Hulk 116610LV + GMT II 126710 BLNR + Explorer 124270 + Air King 126900 + Submariner 16613LB

28 April 2011, 02:04 AM	#14
rolexsweep "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Australia Watch: RG DD40 Posts: 1,149	dont look at it as an investment... thats the last thing u want to do! i prefer the gmt c __________________ "Did you get that at retail?"

27 April 2011, 10:27 PM	#2
Singslinger "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: singapore Posts: 6,424	They are the same size and have essentially the same movement, except that the GMT II has an extra hand to mark off 24 hr time on its bezel so you can track another time zone. The GMT's bezel can rotate in both directions. The Sub's bezel is different - it marks off time for dives (in minutes) and can only move anticlockwise. This watch's case is also slightly thicker to enable a larger depth rating - 1000ft versus 300ft for the GMT. IMO neither watch should be viewed as an investment. I believe both hold their value equally well. Hope this helps.

27 April 2011, 10:31 PM	#3
khmyjy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Great White North Watch: Sub C, 14060 Posts: 140	thanks for the info

28 April 2011, 01:28 AM	#7
Paulie 50 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Lancs. England Posts: 1,000	Do you know what? i have had Rolex watches for more than 25 years, but never owned a GMT, i dont know why! because i love the 1675, i am going to make that my next buy, but back to the question, either, or, they are both super watches.

27 April 2011, 10:50 PM	#10
bondtoys "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: World Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,733	I have been wearing GMT II continuously in the last 25 years. It's now been replaced with a Sub C for one simple reason: The numbers on the GMTIIc bezel are too large, too bold, too "in your face". If they would have kept the old fonts and size, I would have gotten the GMTIIc.

28 April 2011, 02:05 AM	#15
UJU "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Norway Watch: 14060M Posts: 274	Sub all the way.

28 April 2011, 02:49 AM	#16
raf823 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Richard Location: Los Angeles Posts: 108	SubC for sure...

28 April 2011, 10:47 AM	#17
hng "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: HaNgat Location: Jakarta Watch: Sports Rolex Posts: 648	Both are great watches. You'll find them quite different in the feel and look. __________________ Cartier Tank / Suunto Stinger / 16014 / 16610LV / PAM 233 / 116520 / 14060M / 16710 / Omega Constellation

28 April 2011, 11:06 AM	#19
nauticajoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: PA Posts: 14,774	Tough choice. Both great watches. I'd probably leaned towards the Sub, unless you're a frequent traveler whereby it makes sense to get the 24hr hand. Good luck. keep us posted.

28 April 2011, 11:12 AM	#20
horseco "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Anthony Location: North Jersey Watch: Daytona 116528 Posts: 3,426	same thing as far as resale...

28 April 2011, 11:33 AM	#21
threemonkeys "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Real Name: Craig Location: Seattle-ish, USA Watch: GMTIIc, AK, LVc Posts: 7,022	I went for the GMT rather than the sub. But really, I would have been happy with either.

28 April 2011, 11:40 AM	#22
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	I would rather own the GMT.

28 April 2011, 12:03 PM	#23
Hkspwrsche "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Harold Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 834	Gmt

28 April 2011, 12:16 PM	#24
OneilC "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: New York Posts: 43	GMT for me

28 April 2011, 12:14 PM	#25
mpkRolex 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Watch: Pepsi Posts: 2,166	gmt for me too. but I would be happy with the sub too. I just prefer the polished links on the 2c. __________________ Rest in peace JJ! http://www.rolexforums.com/showthrea...light=JJ+irani "Rolex is highly addictive. Please shop responsibly"

28 April 2011, 12:25 PM	#26
blama215 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: US Watch: SUB C 116610LN Posts: 353	SUB C for me love the glide lock

28 April 2011, 01:08 PM	#27
MortgageGuy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Adam Location: Orlando, Florida Watch: Me Posts: 9,935	They are both great watches. I own both and they each have pros and cons... I personally do like the PCL's on the GMT so this is a plus for me. The clasp on the Sub IMHO is far superior however the Easy Link on the GMT is more than adequate too. I like the "busy" bezel of the GMT but know others that do not. They also wear quite differnt as well. My best advice would be to try them on and see what one you like best and not to worry what anyone else says __________________ The richest people in the world look for and build NETWORKS, Everyone else looks for work... Robert Kiyosaki

28 April 2011, 01:04 PM	#28
wokafu "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Malaysia Watch: SM300+14060M Posts: 2,012	SUB C as a 1st...easier to sell off if you ask me..

29 April 2011, 06:27 AM	#29
slinger "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: chicago Watch: GMTii C Posts: 46	How do they wear or feel differently. I'm in the same boat as the OP in trying to choose between the sub and gmt ii (and maybe the seadweller??!!) I really need to seek clinical help....

29 April 2011, 06:35 AM	#30
JJL "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: US Watch: 1680 Red & 16622 Posts: 2,449	To keep and wear? GMT no doubt. I think it looks better plus I'd actually use the time zone functionality when I travel. I don't dive so the Subs functionality wouldn't do much for me. If I had intention to sell, possibly a Sub because everybody knows and wants a Sub.

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