Lost GMT 1675 Deal ?

[TempoKing]

Although there are some issues with this watch
I made an offer to buy a GMT 1675 for sale here
and the seller accepted my offer.

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=187598

My problem is that
The seller does not have any feedback in this forum
and he will not send first and get paid after delivery.

As he does not know anyone that knows me so he can
feel comfortable in order to send first

Do any of you know him so I can "comfortably" send him my money first ?

TRF ID Kevin5
Name: Kevin O'Dell

I would appreciate your views & feedback so he and I can make a deal ...OR..no deal.

[kyle L]

I saw that too...

[therolexguy]

I know you but I don't know him. Sorry...I trust you though!

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by TempoKing

Although there are some issues with this watch
I made an offer to buy a GMT 1675 for sale her
and he accepted my offer.

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=187598

The seller does not have any feedback in this forum
and he will not send first and get paid after delivery.
Fine 'till now

As he does not know anyone that knows me so he can
feel comfortable in order to send first

Do any of you know him so I can "comfortably" send him my money first ?

TRF ID Kevin5
Name Kevin O'Dell

I would appreciate your views & feedback so he and I can make a deal ...OR..no deal.

Maybe the guy believe all greeks have finacial problems.

If he don't want to deal with you (it's easy for him to check you out and find you are one of the best) I guess you
will have no problem to get another deal my friend.

[greekbum]

On ebay and on forums if a seller has no feedback I do not buy.The risks are to high no matter how good of a deal it may be. The only exception would be if I had strong feedback and a good standing in the watch community and the seller was willing to send the watch 1st and then get paid. You have this so...............

[springer]

Originally Posted by greekbum

On ebay and on forums if a seller has no feedback I do not buy.The risks are to high no matter how good of a deal it may be. The only exception would be if I had strong feedback and a good standing in the watch community and the seller was willing to send the watch 1st and then get paid. You have this so...............

Totally agree with you Greek. I've had a couple of sellers send me watches first before I sent payment. Be careful out there!

[Nicko]

Are you kidding me Anastasios? No way in hell. Sorry.

[dnagwhogas]

No feedback/reference? Screw it. Whether it's 10 dollars or 10 thousand dollars. I'll pass. (I do not know the seller....sorry, no help here)

[moviefreak]

Who is crazy enough not to trust Anastasios...
Or smart enough not to mess with him...

[koc]

You can pay via paypal , and paypal will protect you if you get scammed .

[rolexpawn]

I would pass, and work with a known solid TRF seller, that way you will not get and loose money. No hassle, no nightmares, no problems.

[TempoKing]

Thank you all ..too insignificant of purchase.. to worry about it.

[Kanger]

I have been in similar situations as well when buying from people with no history and no references. It is a tough situation because sometimes the guy is just too hesitant to ship without being paid, regardless of how popular of a buyer/seller you are. You need to exercise your judgment, and of course you didn't need me to tell you that. I always insist on shipping first and that I will pay them upon receipt, but the couple of times the seller refused I have walked away or have paid the money and asked for scan of driver license if I feel like the person is legitimate. All judgment based which I am sure you Anastasios has much of after years in the business :)

[ffighter556]

There are several buyers and sellers here including Tempoking that I would send my watch to without payment first. We have all been newbies here, I probably would not have sent my watch back then without payment.....If you are honestly selling something you get paid first in most cases, especially on the internet as a rule of thumb.

[Andad]

Anastasios,

IMO if he has no acceptable references or +ve feedback then - no deal unless by your rules.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by TempoKing

Although there are some issues with this watch
I made an offer to buy a GMT 1675 for sale here
and the seller accepted my offer.

http://rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=187598

My problem is that
The seller does not have any feedback in this forum
and he will not send first and get paid after delivery.

As he does not know anyone that knows me so he can
feel comfortable in order to send first

Do any of you know him so I can "comfortably" send him my money first ?

TRF ID Kevin5
Name: Kevin O'Dell

I would appreciate your views & feedback so he and I can make a deal ...OR..no deal.

My thoughts;

1) He is unknown here.... does he have any feedback/references on E bay Timezone or Watchnet?

2) I'm my opinion you should have figured all this out BEFORE you made a firm offer to buy the watch. he may be very legitimate and in fact YOU are the flake!

3) It is customary for the funds to be sent before the watch is. Buy from any trusted seller here on TRF and you will have to pay first and get the watch after the seller receives your money.. so there is NOTHING unusual or suspicious about that.

4) IMHO if you back out the deal you have harmed him and as far as I am concerned you are the bad guy here... again YOU SHOULD HAVE FIGURED ALL THIS OUT BEFORE YOU MADE A FIRM OFFER TO BUY causing him to possibly pass up other legitimate offers to honor his acceptance of yours.

Just all food for thought....

[Ebruner]

If it doesn't feel right don't do it.


-Eddie

[Grissom]

Originally Posted by Ebruner

If it doesn't feel right don't do it.


-Eddie

That is the bottom line, however, Steve does bring up a good point. If one is considering making a purchase from someone wherein (for whatever reason) they feel that the Seller needs to ship first, before payment is made, one brings that up right away, along with the offer, stating whatever terms the buyer wants, and that way, before any offer and acceptance is made, all aspects of the sale (from the buyer's perspective) have been laid out on the table, again, right in the beginning of the negotiation.....That is what I would do (after reading this thread), and that is how I would like to be treated, if on the selling end.....

A nice reminder, to consider all aspects of a potential buy or sale, and lay them all out on the table, from the very beginning....that way, the opportunity for any accidental misunderstandings can be minimized....

Not sure there is actually a bad guy in all this, simply unintentional "less that optimal communication".......and based on the Buyer assuming that the Seller would think the same way as the Buyer, which might make sense to even the seller, if brought up in the very beginning.

Thanks for sharing this experience.....reading this will help me in future transactions, both as a buyer or seller.

[Andad]

Is it written somewhere that the seller sends the item after payment?

IMO this is open to discussion after an offer to purchase is made unless the offer states that payment must be made first.

I have read Kevin5's ad and don't see where payment is specified as being 'up front'?

This requirement of payment first as standard has always surprised me.
I have been sent items by Forum members before I processed the payment.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Is it written somewhere that the seller sends the item after payment?

IMO this is open to discussion after an offer to purchase is made unless the offer states that payment must be made first.

I have read Kevin5's ad and don't see where payment is specified as being 'up front'?

This requirement of payment first as standard has always surprised me.
I have been sent items by Forum members before I processed the payment.

Honestly, how many private party watches have you purchased from a stranger that had the watch shippped to you before you payed for it?

[blackout]

Well just by looking up your feed back Anastasios. I would send you my watch first! But, I would Not on the kevin guy! Sorry Kevin no offence or anything personal to you. "If" you are a cool guy.

[Andad]

Twice, both by Forum members since I joined in Nov 2006.

Total value of the two Rolex watches was over 9K. One member gave me the watch while I was face to face but I couldn't transfer the funds until I returned to Oz and the other in the States sent the watch to me while he was checking out freight costs so that he saved a trip back to the freight company and this would also get the Rolex to me just a bit sooner.

[caballero]

Theres no way i would send my $xxxxx amount rolex to soomeone before it was paid for. Far far too risky. Even if you appear to be forum royalty.

[Jocke]

I was treated the same when I would buy a 9 / 16 wrench, a year ago. After a lot of discussion so I sent the money
first and guess whether I was glad when it was a Rolex in the package.

It must have been something wrong, but I never heard of the seller.

[stephentross]

Offer made and offer accepted.

To me that means you send him money and he sends you watch. Not the other way around.

How about escrow. If both of you did not come to terms before you made an offer, which you should have noted you wanted the watch first before offer was made.

Use an escrow service. everyone wins

[dpkong]

In a perfect world where everyone could be trusted, I would love to have the watch sent first with a 3 day inspection period. If for any reason I am not satisfied with it, I would return the watch in it's original condition and pay for all shipping costs to and fro. Payment is actually an instantaneous transaction, especially when done online.

Maybe that's why I have bought my watches locally where I could see it first and be completely satisfied before handing over cash.

[dpkong]

In a perfect world where everyone could be trusted, I would love to have the watch sent first with a 3 day inspection period. If for any reason I am not satisfied with it, I would return the watch in it's original condition and pay for all shipping costs to and fro. Payment is actually an instantaneous transaction, especially when done online.

Maybe that's why I have bought my watches locally where I could see it first and be completely satisfied before handing over cash.

[calibre1]

So far for me it has been payment first when I purchase from here or TZ.

Of course it is scary at first to wire a large amount of funds to a pseudonym hoping to receive a watch in the mail but I do "study" their background before dealing.

So far it has been a positive experience.

[Newportkrieger]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Twice, both by Forum members since I joined in Nov 2006.

Total value of the two Rolex watches was over 9K. One member gave me the watch while I was face to face but I couldn't transfer the funds until I returned to Oz and the other in the States sent the watch to me while he was checking out freight costs so that he saved a trip back to the freight company and this would also get the Rolex to me just a bit sooner.

And how many watches have you purchased private party over the years with two coming before you made payment? Just to be fair....2 out of 2? 2 out of 10? 2 out of 20?

[Jocke]

Originally Posted by Newportkrieger

And how many watches have you purchased private party over the years with two coming before you made payment? Just to be fair....2 out of 2? 2 out of 10? 2 out of 20?

IMHO so is the normal way the seller get his money before he ship the watch. But in this case it have been very easy
to check out the buyer and get a hint how he handle his deals. I can get the sellers behaviour because he have never
sold a watch to a stranger (I guess) so it's not easy for him just to ship it away. For us that have been around for
some time $10K is no big deal but that isn't the same for everyone. If the seller been ripped off maybe that will get him
broke and he are not willing to take the chance.

So if you not feel safe, seller or buyer, just cancel the deal.

Just my 2 cents.