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roadcarver · 7 July 2007, 06:39 AM

I've temporarily traded my Chrono Avenger for an Omega speedmaster Schumacher Legend on SS bracelet to a collector in Edmonton.

Temporarily, meaning both sides have agreed that after two months and if one side decides to want their original babies back, we can do so.

I'm waiting for the Speedmaster to arrive and see how it looks and feels. I'm particularly interested in the FP 3301 movement on it with the 9,6 and 3 subdial arrangement with the date at six o'clock. There were reported issues about chrono functionality due to the column wheel, but it has since fixed by Omega.

Will post pictures when it comes and we'll see if after two months whether I long for my CA again.

JJ Irani · 7 July 2007, 06:40 AM

And you fellas have the audacity to call me a flipper!!

Look forward to the pics, Venon!!

astcell · 7 July 2007, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

And you fellas have the audacity to call me a flipper!!

Look forward to the pics, Venon!!

Well JJ, you buy the watch thinking not about trading it, but after you trade it what can you trade the NEXT watch for! You got us all beat!

roadcarver · 7 July 2007, 06:53 AM

We'll see after two months!

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

And you fellas have the audacity to call me a flipper!!

Look forward to the pics, Venon!!

JJ Irani · 7 July 2007, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astcell

Well JJ, you buy the watch thinking not about trading it, but after you trade it what can you trade the NEXT watch for! You got us all beat!

roadcarver · 17 July 2007, 04:39 AM

Scammed! Do not deal with Steve Francouer of Edmonton, AB Canada. Also went by the name of Steve Scaif, S.F Francouer, Steve Francois Francouer.

119 Wellington Cr.
Spruce Grove, AB
Canada T7X 1K7
780-946-6956

If you are on Timezone, do not make your email addy public, hide it... this can be done via the PROFILE settings. He scours these forums, looks at your profile and emails you directly. He is not registered at these forums.

uses the following email addresses:
[email protected] (xXx)
[email protected] (msn)
[email protected] (J&S)
[email protected] (his paypal addy)

Be careful of his reference, Charles McDowel ([email protected]). I believe he is generating his own references.

President · 17 July 2007, 05:07 AM

The address is suburban. Surely this would not be his real address?

mickiratt · 17 July 2007, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadcarver

Scammed! Do not deal with Steve Francouer of Edmonton, AB Canada. Also went by the name of Steve Scaif, S.F Francouer, Steve Francois Francouer.

119 Wellington Cr.
Spruce Grove, AB
Canada T7X 1K7
780-946-6956

If you are on Timezone, do not make your email addy public, hide it... this can be done via the PROFILE settings. He scours these forums, looks at your profile and emails you directly. He is not registered at these forums.

uses the following email addresses:
[email protected] (xXx)
[email protected] (msn)
[email protected] (J&S)
[email protected] (his paypal addy)

Be careful of his reference, Charles McDowel ([email protected]). I believe he is generating his own references.

It always makes me sick to hear when this kind of thing happens!

Maybe you can share some more details of the transaction so we can possibly help and/or learn from your experience. I am very sorry to hear this. I know how we all feel about our watches!

Solo118 · 17 July 2007, 06:07 AM

Did you insure the package?? This is horrible

roadcarver · 17 July 2007, 06:08 AM

Yep, insured it for $3k. I have to also make a call to the Ombudsman for Canada Post to get this sorted out since I did ask them not to deliver the package.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solo118

Did you insure the package?? This is horrible

mickiratt · 17 July 2007, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solo118

Did you insure the package?? This is horrible

Good question. In the United States, mail fraud is taken very seriously and if it is a crime involving the Post Office, it is a federal offense and they will take over the investigation without you having to do anything else.

Also, if there were any funds transfered via paypal you may want to report it to their Resolution Center. They have the ability to freeze his account while he has to prove that he shipped the item.

Rubenonfire · 17 July 2007, 06:15 AM

We're crossing our fingers (but not holding our collective breath) for justice, Vernon.

Lesson learned, and enjoy your "temporary" Speedy!

ianmedium · 17 July 2007, 07:58 AM

Wow! I am so sorry to hear about this Vernon. I hope, A. he gets caught! B. you are not out of pocket one dime from this.
Good luck with it all!

roadcarver · 18 July 2007, 01:04 AM

Provided the watch info to Breitling Canada and have asked Breitling Canada to notify BUSA as well that the watch was stolen.

Still no word from RCMP... don't think they care.

colemanitis · 18 July 2007, 01:56 AM

Keep us updated, Vernon. You have his address, surely the local police can pay him a visit?

ianmedium · 18 July 2007, 04:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadcarver

Provided the watch info to Breitling Canada and have asked Breitling Canada to notify BUSA as well that the watch was stolen.

Still no word from RCMP... don't think they care.

Have worked with the mounties on missing persons cases, they do tend totake their time!!!
Sounds like you are doing all you can though. keep us informed!

T Bone · 19 July 2007, 04:27 AM

As a huge fan of the Chrono Avenger, this post caught my eye. I was saddened when I read down the thread

. It is awful that these low life scum are out there preying on decent folk.

My Chrono Avenger was my first real "quality" watch, and with a box full of Swiss beauties, it is still my favorite. I really feel for you, and hope you can somehow recover it, and even more, get some justice for the thievin' ba$turd (sic). Really no different than if he broke into your house and stole it.

Welshwatchman · 19 July 2007, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by colemanitis

Keep us updated, Vernon. You have his address, surely the local police can pay him a visit?

I also hope that you can get the active interest and co-operation if the postal service and local police.

Heres hoping.

roadcarver · 21 July 2007, 12:06 AM

I filed this with Crimestoppers but they wouldn't help since I am the person providing the tip and the victim, hence it will violate their protocols.

They referred me to recol.ca which I already did last week.

Another person that was scammed by him in Los Angeles got a hold of a detective in Edmonton Police Dept. All of us started to call, but we only got his voice mail, we left a message. I have not received a call from him yet.

roadcarver · 26 July 2007, 10:39 PM

Update: After several emails back and forth with Paypal, they finally acknowledged my complaint and are having their investigators look into it.

I initially couldn't do it via my account since the bastard cancelled the e-check. After explaining to them why I couldn't do it several times, someone smart in their support finally got what I was conveying.

Now I have to wait patiently one more time.

Thanks to all for your support especially to Mikiratt and IanMedium.

Still crossing my fingers...

mickiratt · 27 July 2007, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadcarver

Update: After several emails back and forth with Paypal, they finally acknowledged my complaint and are having their investigators look into it.

I initially couldn't do it via my account since the bastard cancelled the e-check. After explaining to them why I couldn't do it several times, someone smart in their support finally got what I was conveying.

Now I have to wait patiently one more time.

Thanks to all for your support especially to Mikiratt and IanMedium.

Still crossing my fingers...

That's great news Vernon. Your persistence will pay off. I had to go with a couple of Paypal service representatives as well before I got to one that was "in-tune" with my problem.

It's my pleasure to help in any way! It just infuriates me when I see this type of thing happen.

colemanitis · 27 July 2007, 01:08 AM

It should take PayPal about 2 seconds to look at this guys payment history and confirm what you're saying. His account probably has record of hundreds of cancelled e-checks. IMHO they should've caught this before now and cancelled his account.

roadcarver · 30 July 2007, 02:20 PM

Got off the phone on Friday talking to Paypal... apparently it looks like they will not help me since cancelled e-checks are not in their dispute category.

In email, they've been giving me their cut and paste answers and not reading why I couldn't file a dispute online. I repeated so many times to explain to them. (I complained about that too on the phone).

In the end,I told them that fine if I don't get my $1900 back but at least stop this guy from using paypal as a defrauding tool!!!

Don't think they'll do anything... sigh.

End of the road for me on this one. Very expensive lesson.

C.J. · 30 July 2007, 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadcarver

Got off the phone on Friday talking to Paypal... apparently it looks like they will not help me since cancelled e-checks are not in their dispute category.

In email, they've been giving me their cut and paste answers and not reading why I couldn't file a dispute online. I repeated so many times to explain to them. (I complained about that too on the phone).

In the end,I told them that fine if I don't get my $1900 back but at least stop this guy from using paypal as a defrauding tool!!!

Don't think they'll do anything... sigh.

End of the road for me on this one. Very expensive lesson.

Vernon, that absolutely sucks. It's a shame you can't dig up his address

roadcarver · 30 July 2007, 09:35 PM

I have his mailing address, and there's a victim in Edmonton that was scammed for $800. He was a victim while this SOB was in Windsor, ON.

He will drop by soon since I help confirm his address. Just sucks that the authorities are not doing anything here in Toronto. To them its small crime in the overall scheme of things.

Quote:

Originally Posted by C.J.

Vernon, that absolutely sucks. It's a shame you can't dig up his address

mickiratt · 30 July 2007, 11:30 PM

Sorry to hear the update, Vernon. Just when I thought you were making some headway with this SOB. It sucks when the authorities don't want to do anything to help, especially when you have his mailing address. I say we keep a look-out for him on the forums and try to beat him at his own game! Where is the justice? There has got to be a way we could f#$%...

him!

roadcarver · 31 July 2007, 12:44 AM

I'm tracking him at redflagdeals currently. He says to me that he won't be around (camping) but he is visiting this site (5 days ago was his last login). I'm corresponding with him on another alias to scambait him. Still verifying that this is the Francouer guy.

What's matching:
alias/handle: Stonepony68 (same email name he uses)
Location: Edmonton - Francouer is also in Edmonton

His login at redflagdeals is stonepony68 - either he is cocky or stupid as he is using the alias / email name that he has contacted and scammed people with. Don't think he is stupid or else he'd be caught and stopped by now.

colemanitis · 31 July 2007, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadcarver

Don't think they'll do anything... sigh.

Shame on PayPal.

SLRdude · 31 July 2007, 01:22 AM

I am so sorry to hear about this Vernon.
Hopefully you will get your baby back soon.

Chad M · 31 July 2007, 01:23 AM

Thats funny Vernon I'm doing the same thing, Somehow, someway we will bag this dirtbag up!

7 July 2007, 06:39 AM	#1
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	Temporarily traded by Chrono Avenger I've temporarily traded my Chrono Avenger for an Omega speedmaster Schumacher Legend on SS bracelet to a collector in Edmonton. Temporarily, meaning both sides have agreed that after two months and if one side decides to want their original babies back, we can do so. I'm waiting for the Speedmaster to arrive and see how it looks and feels. I'm particularly interested in the FP 3301 movement on it with the 9,6 and 3 subdial arrangement with the date at six o'clock. There were reported issues about chrono functionality due to the column wheel, but it has since fixed by Omega. Will post pictures when it comes and we'll see if after two months whether I long for my CA again. __________________ I'm just a cook...

7 July 2007, 06:40 AM	#2
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	And you fellas have the audacity to call me a flipper!! Look forward to the pics, Venon!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

17 July 2007, 04:39 AM	#6
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	Scammed! Do not deal with Steve Francouer of Edmonton, AB Canada. Also went by the name of Steve Scaif, S.F Francouer, Steve Francois Francouer. 119 Wellington Cr. Spruce Grove, AB Canada T7X 1K7 780-946-6956 If you are on Timezone, do not make your email addy public, hide it... this can be done via the PROFILE settings. He scours these forums, looks at your profile and emails you directly. He is not registered at these forums. uses the following email addresses: [email protected] (xXx) [email protected] (msn) [email protected] (J&S) [email protected] (his paypal addy) Be careful of his reference, Charles McDowel ([email protected]). I believe he is generating his own references. __________________ I'm just a cook...

18 July 2007, 01:04 AM	#14
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	Provided the watch info to Breitling Canada and have asked Breitling Canada to notify BUSA as well that the watch was stolen. Still no word from RCMP... don't think they care. __________________ I'm just a cook...

18 July 2007, 01:56 AM	#15
colemanitis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Florida Watch: PAM 1090 Posts: 3,723	Keep us updated, Vernon. You have his address, surely the local police can pay him a visit? __________________ Member #471

17 July 2007, 05:07 AM	#7
President Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: M.Thatcher MP Location: Le Locle Watch: Bear Grylls Posts: 2,913	The address is suburban. Surely this would not be his real address?

17 July 2007, 06:07 AM	#9
Solo118 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 6,088	Did you insure the package?? This is horrible

17 July 2007, 06:15 AM	#12
Rubenonfire "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Ruben Location: Orange County Watch: 16610LV Posts: 1,317	We're crossing our fingers (but not holding our collective breath) for justice, Vernon. Lesson learned, and enjoy your "temporary" Speedy!

17 July 2007, 07:58 AM	#13
ianmedium Deregistered Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Vancouver Watch: Rolex Datejust Posts: 450	Wow! I am so sorry to hear about this Vernon. I hope, A. he gets caught! B. you are not out of pocket one dime from this. Good luck with it all!

19 July 2007, 04:27 AM	#17
T Bone "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Detroit Posts: 2	Oh man, that is awful.... As a huge fan of the Chrono Avenger, this post caught my eye. I was saddened when I read down the thread . It is awful that these low life scum are out there preying on decent folk. My Chrono Avenger was my first real "quality" watch, and with a box full of Swiss beauties, it is still my favorite. I really feel for you, and hope you can somehow recover it, and even more, get some justice for the thievin' ba$turd (sic). Really no different than if he broke into your house and stole it.

21 July 2007, 12:06 AM	#19
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	I filed this with Crimestoppers but they wouldn't help since I am the person providing the tip and the victim, hence it will violate their protocols. They referred me to recol.ca which I already did last week. Another person that was scammed by him in Los Angeles got a hold of a detective in Edmonton Police Dept. All of us started to call, but we only got his voice mail, we left a message. I have not received a call from him yet. __________________ I'm just a cook...

26 July 2007, 10:39 PM	#20
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	Update: After several emails back and forth with Paypal, they finally acknowledged my complaint and are having their investigators look into it. I initially couldn't do it via my account since the bastard cancelled the e-check. After explaining to them why I couldn't do it several times, someone smart in their support finally got what I was conveying. Now I have to wait patiently one more time. Thanks to all for your support especially to Mikiratt and IanMedium. Still crossing my fingers... __________________ I'm just a cook...

27 July 2007, 01:08 AM	#22
colemanitis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Florida Watch: PAM 1090 Posts: 3,723	It should take PayPal about 2 seconds to look at this guys payment history and confirm what you're saying. His account probably has record of hundreds of cancelled e-checks. IMHO they should've caught this before now and cancelled his account. __________________ Member #471

30 July 2007, 02:20 PM	#23
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	Got off the phone on Friday talking to Paypal... apparently it looks like they will not help me since cancelled e-checks are not in their dispute category. In email, they've been giving me their cut and paste answers and not reading why I couldn't file a dispute online. I repeated so many times to explain to them. (I complained about that too on the phone). In the end,I told them that fine if I don't get my $1900 back but at least stop this guy from using paypal as a defrauding tool!!! Don't think they'll do anything... sigh. End of the road for me on this one. Very expensive lesson. __________________ I'm just a cook...

30 July 2007, 11:30 PM	#26
mickiratt Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Steve Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 162	Sorry to hear the update, Vernon. Just when I thought you were making some headway with this SOB. It sucks when the authorities don't want to do anything to help, especially when you have his mailing address. I say we keep a look-out for him on the forums and try to beat him at his own game! Where is the justice? There has got to be a way we could f#$%... him!

31 July 2007, 12:44 AM	#27
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	I'm tracking him at redflagdeals currently. He says to me that he won't be around (camping) but he is visiting this site (5 days ago was his last login). I'm corresponding with him on another alias to scambait him. Still verifying that this is the Francouer guy. What's matching: alias/handle: Stonepony68 (same email name he uses) Location: Edmonton - Francouer is also in Edmonton His login at redflagdeals is stonepony68 - either he is cocky or stupid as he is using the alias / email name that he has contacted and scammed people with. Don't think he is stupid or else he'd be caught and stopped by now. __________________ I'm just a cook...

31 July 2007, 01:22 AM	#29
SLRdude "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Chip Location: Dallas TX Posts: 6,194	I am so sorry to hear about this Vernon. Hopefully you will get your baby back soon. __________________ Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. Yoda, Jedi Master CHIP Member # 87

31 July 2007, 01:23 AM	#30
Chad M "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 230	Thats funny Vernon I'm doing the same thing, Somehow, someway we will bag this dirtbag up!

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