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jonnylax · 23 September 2011, 12:16 AM

Older model submariner 2 tone blue face w serti dial. No box, no papers for 6k. Is this a fair price? Just looking for opinions, thanks guys!

drtooth73 · 23 September 2011, 12:21 AM

Serti dial is not for everyone.
I'd say $4k is a good price for an older TT

smallcandle · 23 September 2011, 01:50 AM

$4k is a bit low, IMO. If the watch is in excellent condition I would think somewhere around $5k would be reasonable. Keep in mind that you'll likely have to have it serviced and that will run you between $500 and $700.

dddrees · 23 September 2011, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by smallcandle

$4k is a bit low, IMO. If the watch is in excellent condition I would think somewhere around $5k would be reasonable. Keep in mind that you'll likely have to have it serviced and that will run you between $500 and $700.

X2

Although the ones I have seen have gone for around 6K. How old is it, and what kind of condition is it in?

TSW · 23 September 2011, 02:02 AM

4-5,5 depending how old and the condition.

moviefreak · 23 September 2011, 02:30 AM

4.5k for a good one older model (no gold in the clasp).....5.5k for a newer one..with SEL links, and gold through the clasp....all this with papers and box...

jonnylax · 23 September 2011, 03:32 AM

It is in decent shape. I'm guessing old due to the fact there is no gold through the clasp, what year did they start doing that?

Also I've heard Andes places say the serti dials are not that desirable, I like it, but if I could I'd rather the black face over the blue with the diamonds.

If its blue face with diamond markers that is considered the serti dial correct??

TSW · 23 September 2011, 03:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnylax

It is in decent shape. I'm guessing old due to the fact there is no gold through the clasp, what year did they start doing that?

Also I've heard Andes places say the serti dials are not that desirable, I like it, but if I could I'd rather the black face over the blue with the diamonds.

If its blue face with diamond markers that is considered the serti dial correct??

These ones are Serti dials

jonnylax · 23 September 2011, 05:49 AM

ok so this one is 2 tone, with a blue face and diamonds in the marker.. what is that? sorry for the ?s just trying to learn something new!

wantonebad · 23 September 2011, 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by jonnylax

ok so this one is 2 tone, with a blue face and diamonds in the marker.. what is that? sorry for the ?s just trying to learn something new!

The picture above your post illustrates the diamond placement. 5.5K is fair for a serti-dial in good shape. If it's been serviced then it's closer to 6K. Remember even if it hasn't been used the watch should still be serviced every 5-7 years and that should factor into the price.

jonnylax · 23 September 2011, 06:44 AM

ok so its not a serti dial, its a blue face. with diamond markers.. same thing?

daunwaun · 23 September 2011, 07:11 AM

A pic would help?

jonnylax · 25 September 2011, 02:30 AM

Here are some pics of the watch.. What do you guys think? How much would you pay?

jonnylax · 25 September 2011, 02:32 AM

first time uploading pics, hope it works.. the watch seems to be in decent shape, might need a good cleaning and maybe the clasp feels a little loose.. but what do you guys think? what would be this value of this watch?

ErikSzper · 25 September 2011, 03:31 AM

Maybe it is the picture, but that sure looks like an aftermarket dial.

Meaning, dial has no value, and if you send it to Rolex that will include a new dial charge with your service. Wouldn't pay 5 for it, mid 4s at best with that dial!

jms_w · 25 September 2011, 05:07 AM

That is an aftermarket dial and NOT authentic Rolex serti dial. I would stay away. It devalues the watch significantly IMHO.

jonnylax · 25 September 2011, 05:32 AM

I just got it checked out by a jeweler at a shop, he told me the same thing. He said rolex never made that dial.. So does that mean this is a good indication that the whole watch is fake? what else do I look for? He wants 6k for the watch..

jonnylax · 25 September 2011, 05:32 AM

he told me he wouldnt even send it to rolex to be serviced since its not an authentic dial..

Michael M. · 25 September 2011, 05:34 AM

With an after market I would only pay like $4200....or I'd walk away..

jonnylax · 25 September 2011, 05:38 AM

well how would i even know if the rest of the watch is real??

imono · 25 September 2011, 06:13 AM

Well, you'll need to take clear pictures of the entire watch.
Picture of the bracelet, clasp, end links, serial, model number, remove case back and pics of inside movement.
That about sums it all.
If you can do just that many here will be able to tell you if it is real or a bluff.
Short of that take it back to the jeweler and have him/her remove the case back and see.

jonnylax · 25 September 2011, 06:52 AM

well considering i have no clue how to do that im out of luck!! I know the watch was as a trade at a jewelry shop, from an engagement ring, and he just traded it out for the rolex a few years ago, and my guess is maybe the shop decided to just put this aftermarket dial in it to give it a better look.

Also I noticed the time on it is fine as long as your wearing it, but if you take it off for more than a half hour its about 15 min slow..

I dont know much about Rolex's but I have a 100% authentic breitling evolution and it will keep time for about 48 hours even if im not wearing it..

Could this be a sign that its got some problems on the inside? or is that how these rolex movements work?

thanks in advance for all the help guys!

buke45 · 25 September 2011, 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jms_w

That is an aftermarket dial and NOT authentic Rolex serti dial. I would stay away. It devalues the watch significantly IMHO.

Walk away!!

TSW · 25 September 2011, 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jonnylax

well considering i have no clue how to do that im out of luck!! I know the watch was as a trade at a jewelry shop, from an engagement ring, and he just traded it out for the rolex a few years ago, and my guess is maybe the shop decided to just put this aftermarket dial in it to give it a better look.

Also I noticed the time on it is fine as long as your wearing it, but if you take it off for more than a half hour its about 15 min slow..

I dont know much about Rolex's but I have a 100% authentic breitling evolution and it will keep time for about 48 hours even if im not wearing it..

Could this be a sign that its got some problems on the inside? or is that how these rolex movements work?

thanks in advance for all the help guys!

Walk away!

RolexPete · 25 September 2011, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by buke45

Walk away!!

Don't walk, RUN away!

jonnylax · 25 September 2011, 07:08 AM

thanks guys, the only markings i can see on the rolex are on the end links which say "401b" and on the first link it says 93153

jonnylax · 25 September 2011, 07:18 AM

ok guys here are some more pics.. i know the shop it was bought from which has a good reputation in my area. as a high end pawn jewelry whatever you want to call it.

just want to know if any of you experts can pick anything out of these that raise any suspicion...

RolexPete · 25 September 2011, 07:53 AM

It is an aftermarket dial. Not worth it.

Shelby-villian · 25 September 2011, 07:57 AM

The 12 o'clock marker is terrible. Please stay away.

Watchdog · 25 September 2011, 07:57 AM

Please do yourself a favor and RUN. There are many genuine TT subs for sale (and the Serti varieties in particular take a big hit after initial sale). I'm confident you can find a completely genuine example in better shape for a much better price.

Regardless, best of luck with your future purchase.

23 September 2011, 12:16 AM	#1
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	Is this a Good deal? Older model submariner 2 tone blue face w serti dial. No box, no papers for 6k. Is this a fair price? Just looking for opinions, thanks guys!

23 September 2011, 01:50 AM	#3
smallcandle "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Kansas Watch: 16610, Omega PO Posts: 1,898	$4k is a bit low, IMO. If the watch is in excellent condition I would think somewhere around $5k would be reasonable. Keep in mind that you'll likely have to have it serviced and that will run you between $500 and $700. __________________ Things got out of control and I had to stab a clown...

23 September 2011, 02:02 AM	#5
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	4-5,5 depending how old and the condition. __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

23 September 2011, 02:30 AM	#6
moviefreak "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in my house... Posts: 5,524	4.5k for a good one older model (no gold in the clasp).....5.5k for a newer one..with SEL links, and gold through the clasp....all this with papers and box... __________________ Cheers, Eduardo Be a WIS not a WUSS... and remove all the stickers..

23 September 2011, 03:32 AM	#7
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	Not sure of year It is in decent shape. I'm guessing old due to the fact there is no gold through the clasp, what year did they start doing that? Also I've heard Andes places say the serti dials are not that desirable, I like it, but if I could I'd rather the black face over the blue with the diamonds. If its blue face with diamond markers that is considered the serti dial correct??

23 September 2011, 12:21 AM	#2
drtooth73 Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: W. Stutman Location: Motor City Watch: TT GMT IIC Posts: 2,223	Serti dial is not for everyone. I'd say $4k is a good price for an older TT

23 September 2011, 05:49 AM	#9
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	ok so this one is 2 tone, with a blue face and diamonds in the marker.. what is that? sorry for the ?s just trying to learn something new!

23 September 2011, 06:44 AM	#11
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	ok so its not a serti dial, its a blue face. with diamond markers.. same thing?

23 September 2011, 07:11 AM	#12
daunwaun "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Ken Location: toronto Watch: 18K YG Day Date Posts: 2,985	A pic would help? __________________ DAUNWAUN

25 September 2011, 02:30 AM	#13
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	Here are some pics of the watch.. What do you guys think? How much would you pay? Attached Images

25 September 2011, 02:32 AM	#14
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	first time uploading pics, hope it works.. the watch seems to be in decent shape, might need a good cleaning and maybe the clasp feels a little loose.. but what do you guys think? what would be this value of this watch?

25 September 2011, 03:31 AM	#15
ErikSzper 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Erik Szper Location: Baltimore Watch: PAM326 Posts: 24,468	Is this a good deal? Maybe it is the picture, but that sure looks like an aftermarket dial. Meaning, dial has no value, and if you send it to Rolex that will include a new dial charge with your service. Wouldn't pay 5 for it, mid 4s at best with that dial!

25 September 2011, 05:07 AM	#16
jms_w "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: East Coast Watch: 116710LN Posts: 557	That is an aftermarket dial and NOT authentic Rolex serti dial. I would stay away. It devalues the watch significantly IMHO. __________________ 116520\|116610LV\|116710LN\|16613\|16233 244 232.30.42\|3222.80 A2332212 CFX-200\|Riseman\|GW-M5610

25 September 2011, 05:32 AM	#17
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	I just got it checked out by a jeweler at a shop, he told me the same thing. He said rolex never made that dial.. So does that mean this is a good indication that the whole watch is fake? what else do I look for? He wants 6k for the watch..

25 September 2011, 05:34 AM	#19
Michael M. Banned Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Newport Beach, CA Posts: 8,391	With an after market I would only pay like $4200....or I'd walk away..

25 September 2011, 05:38 AM	#20
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	well how would i even know if the rest of the watch is real??

25 September 2011, 06:13 AM	#21
imono "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,241	Well, you'll need to take clear pictures of the entire watch. Picture of the bracelet, clasp, end links, serial, model number, remove case back and pics of inside movement. That about sums it all. If you can do just that many here will be able to tell you if it is real or a bluff. Short of that take it back to the jeweler and have him/her remove the case back and see.

25 September 2011, 06:52 AM	#22
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	well considering i have no clue how to do that im out of luck!! I know the watch was as a trade at a jewelry shop, from an engagement ring, and he just traded it out for the rolex a few years ago, and my guess is maybe the shop decided to just put this aftermarket dial in it to give it a better look. Also I noticed the time on it is fine as long as your wearing it, but if you take it off for more than a half hour its about 15 min slow.. I dont know much about Rolex's but I have a 100% authentic breitling evolution and it will keep time for about 48 hours even if im not wearing it.. Could this be a sign that its got some problems on the inside? or is that how these rolex movements work? thanks in advance for all the help guys!

25 September 2011, 07:08 AM	#26
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	thanks guys, the only markings i can see on the rolex are on the end links which say "401b" and on the first link it says 93153

25 September 2011, 07:18 AM	#27
jonnylax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: virginia Watch: SDK4, President Posts: 182	ok guys here are some more pics.. i know the shop it was bought from which has a good reputation in my area. as a high end pawn jewelry whatever you want to call it. just want to know if any of you experts can pick anything out of these that raise any suspicion... Attached Images

25 September 2011, 07:53 AM	#28
RolexPete "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Peter Location: Massachusetts Watch: 214270 Mk2 Posts: 1,963	It is an aftermarket dial. Not worth it. __________________ 2016 Explorer 214270 Mk2 - 1996 Submariner 14060* - 1972 Datejust 1601 1972 Oyster Perpetual 1002 - 1978 Oysterquartz 17000 Omega Seamaster 2265.80 - Omega Seamaster 300 166.0324 *RIP PAL 1942-2015

25 September 2011, 07:57 AM	#29
Shelby-villian "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: S *, C Watch: 18** Posts: 255	The 12 o'clock marker is terrible. Please stay away.

25 September 2011, 07:57 AM	#30
Watchdog "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Junkyard Dog Location: The Doghouse Watch: I can't tell time Posts: 6,822	Please do yourself a favor and RUN. There are many genuine TT subs for sale (and the Serti varieties in particular take a big hit after initial sale). I'm confident you can find a completely genuine example in better shape for a much better price. Regardless, best of luck with your future purchase.

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