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duncsharp · 27 September 2011, 06:17 AM

Am Very close to buying one of the following.

I travel abroad alot so the GMT function would be great. I'm just wondering apart from this what the differences are between the two watches?

I'm only interested in the Steel black dial Sub.

Is the lume any different, and what about the clasp?

Thanks

Duncan

Puffy · 27 September 2011, 06:21 AM

Welcome mate
Try on the dssd and youll know why you want that !

jonathon555 · 27 September 2011, 06:23 AM

Close call , I went gmt IIc , then 116610 lv

The IIc is my watch of choice

duncsharp · 27 September 2011, 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Puffy

Welcome mate
Try on the dssd and youll know why you want that !

Thanks.

I like the DssD, but its just too big for an everyday watch, probably isnt practical enough for me.

The GMT Master · 27 September 2011, 06:27 AM

Very few differences between the two. You have polished centre links on the GMT as opposed to brushed on the Sub; the GMT uses Rolex's standard sports clasp with Easylink (an extra fold-out half link), whilst the Sub uses Glidelock (about an inch worth of fine adjustment on the clasp); the case lugs are marginally thicker on the Sub, as is the caseback; the GMT uses green-glowing SuperLuminova paint, the Sub uses blue-glowing Chromalight paint.

Of course, the two use different movements too, the cal. 3186 in the GMT (independent hour hand plus 24hr hand), the cal. 3135 in the Sub (quick set date). Both excellent watches. I myself would choose the GMT IIc

gwalker · 27 September 2011, 06:27 AM

I like the SubC. I will have a GMTIIC soon but the Sub is now my watch of choice even over my DSSD. I thing the GMT is dressier but the SubC IMO is the perfect Rolex. I wasn't sure about the pcls on the GMT.

TSW · 27 September 2011, 06:31 AM

Tough one!

duncsharp · 27 September 2011, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by The GMT Master

Very few differences between the two. You have polished centre links on the GMT as opposed to brushed on the Sub; the GMT uses Rolex's standard sports clasp with Easylink (an extra fold-out half link), whilst the Sub uses Glidelock (about an inch worth of fine adjustment on the clasp); the case lugs are marginally thicker on the Sub, as is the caseback; the GMT uses green-glowing SuperLuminova paint, the Sub uses blue-glowing Chromalight paint.

Of course, the two use different movements too, the cal. 3186 in the GMT (independent hour hand plus 24hr hand), the cal. 3135 in the Sub (quick set date). Both excellent watches. I myself would choose the GMT IIc

Which is the better clasp? or is it just down to taste? apart from the color what is the difference between superluminova and chromalight?

would I be right in thinking they both sell for around the same pre-owned?

duncsharp · 27 September 2011, 06:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gwalker

I like the SubC. I will have a GMTIIC soon but the Sub is now my watch of choice even over my DSSD. I thing the GMT is dressier but the SubC IMO is the perfect Rolex. I wasn't sure about the pcls on the GMT.

what are pcls?

eric23 · 27 September 2011, 06:34 AM

Both nice but GMT for sure!

The GMT Master · 27 September 2011, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by duncsharp

Which is the better clasp? or is it just down to taste? apart from the color what is the difference between superluminova and chromalight?

would I be right in thinking they both sell for around the same pre-owned?

Both are very good, but the Glidelock just pips it, in my opinion, As for the lume, not much difference again - some people report Chromalight as lasting slightly longer. Subs are marginally higher on the pre-owned market at the moment, but the GMT IIc has been in production for a couple more years

esm · 27 September 2011, 07:15 AM

The lume colours are different too

speedo · 27 September 2011, 07:18 AM

chose whichever you prefer, both are great watches. i picked the sub but it was a tough decision and i still like the gmt very much.

duncsharp · 27 September 2011, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by speedo

chose whichever you prefer, both are great watches. i picked the sub but it was a tough decision and i still like the gmt very much.

your right, it is a really tough decision. Need to put them both on my wrist and see which one I like the best.

I do like the lume on the sub. But overall im easing towards the GMT.

are there any other watches worth looking at? similar to both the GMT and Sub.

Not necessarily rolex.

The GMT Master · 27 September 2011, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by duncsharp

your right, it is a really tough decision. Need to put them both on my wrist and see which one I like the best.

I do like the lume on the sub. But overall im easing towards the GMT.

are there any other watches worth looking at? similar to both the GMT and Sub.

Not necessarily rolex.

New Explorer II and the new cal. 8500 based Omega Planet Ocean. Both are very much at a similar level of quality, although they might be hard to get hold of considering how new they are!

masterserg · 27 September 2011, 07:29 AM

If no other Rolex, I'd go Sub ... for me, it is THE Rolex. No real logic, other than the Glidelock clasp. Also, I like the feeling of the Sub's bezel a bit better (120 vs. 24 clicks if I am not mistaken).

gwalker · 27 September 2011, 07:53 AM

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Originally Posted by duncsharp

what are pcls?

Polished enter links. They are brushed on the Sub. The GMT shows scratches more.

Maxseven · 27 September 2011, 07:59 AM

Don't sweat it - either will be fantastic. Flip a coin and be done with it.

warren G. · 27 September 2011, 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Maxseven

Don't sweat it - either will be fantastic. Flip a coin and be done with it.

x2
If it was my only watch. I would lean towards the Sub.

thewatchguy93 · 27 September 2011, 08:06 AM

You can't go wrong either way.. Both are fantastic, I can say so because I have owned both GMTIIc then flipped for the Sub-C... My vote goes to the Sub

Speed · 27 September 2011, 08:19 AM

Do you travel more than you dive?

If yes, the GMT time zone feature will be of more use to you.

duncsharp · 27 September 2011, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Speed

Do you travel more than you dive?

If yes, the GMT time zone feature will be of more use to you.

Thats what im thinking.

how good is it as an everyday watch? does it wear well. I've had my seamaster for 3/4 years now and apart from the underside of the clasp it really isnt showing much wear at all. I always have a watch on my wrist, including sleeping, showering, etc etc.

rossi46 · 27 September 2011, 11:34 AM

Personal preference, since I just bought one, but for me the GMT. Yes, the Sub is the more iconic Sub, but that also means a lot more people have one. I was worried about the PCLs and "blinginess" but after trying it on I realized just how small the links are. Seriously, it is one thin bracelet and the links are only in the middle. (Also, after a while the polish mellows out, anyway).

The GMT gives you an extra complication, that besides being just something cool to look at or brag about (300m depth rating, anyone?) is actually useful if you travel.

Again, I had both in mind, but when I tried on the GMT I was sold instantly. Do the same and good luck with your choice!

Rani Drama · 27 September 2011, 11:43 AM

I originally wanted the GMT IIc and i still think it is fantastic. Sometimes when i'm hanging out with my cousin who has one i get envious because it just has that sparkle that sometimes mine lacks. But at the end of the day i can't beat the every day versatility of the Sub. I adjust my clasp constantly to fit my wrist better especially during the hot summer days and i'm usually dressed more casually so the sub just fits a bit better. But the GMT is what got me into the AD.

Speed · 27 September 2011, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by duncsharp

Thats what im thinking.

how good is it as an everyday watch? does it wear well. I've had my seamaster for 3/4 years now and apart from the underside of the clasp it really isnt showing much wear at all. I always have a watch on my wrist, including sleeping, showering, etc etc.

You will see scratches on the clasp and PCLs. If you are ok with that...it's an everyday watch!

dddrees · 27 September 2011, 12:05 PM

Eveybody has a preference, and some have both.

I would recomend the GMTIIC, because that's the one I choose.

Either way you can't go wrong.

Good luck with your hunt.

psv · 27 September 2011, 12:18 PM

Your call of course, I gad a GMTIIC but at the end I prefer the simpler dial of the SubC sans the green hand/text, the bracelet without PLC and the better clasp. Both are oustanding pieces though and can't-go-wrong choices.

MortgageGuy · 27 September 2011, 12:41 PM

This has to be one of the toughest decisions to make in the SS Sports Model Line... I have owned both and now currently only own the Sub C. Without the PCL's it just seems more like an everyday up for anything watch

handsfull · 27 September 2011, 01:23 PM

If I traveled, GMT II - NO QUESTION. That said, I own both and prefer the SubC because it simply 'wears' better. The clasp on the SubC is longer than the GMT, so if you have smaller wrists (I have 7.5) it may be a factor.

paolo14 · 27 September 2011, 01:50 PM

Sub-c for me!

27 September 2011, 06:17 AM	#1
duncsharp Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Duncan Location: London Posts: 47	GMT Master II - C or Sub 116610LN??? Am Very close to buying one of the following. I travel abroad alot so the GMT function would be great. I'm just wondering apart from this what the differences are between the two watches? I'm only interested in the Steel black dial Sub. Is the lume any different, and what about the clasp? Thanks Duncan

27 September 2011, 06:21 AM	#2
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	Welcome mate Try on the dssd and youll know why you want that ! __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

27 September 2011, 06:31 AM	#7
TSW "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: TSW Location: Le Brassus Watch: Rolex & AP's Posts: 27,449	Tough one! __________________ AP Owners Club IG @swiss.watch.connection

27 September 2011, 07:18 AM	#13
speedo "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: bp, hu, eu Watch: dj 16234, 116610ln Posts: 2,376	chose whichever you prefer, both are great watches. i picked the sub but it was a tough decision and i still like the gmt very much. __________________ *16234 jubilee dial, 116610 ln, grand seiko sbgm221g, omega speedmaster mark II, longines legend diver, breguet 3910, nomos club campus 38, swatch sistem51, mares nemo, seiko ripley, g-shock rangeman* instagram: modus_horologicus

27 September 2011, 07:29 AM	#16
masterserg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Serg Location: US of A Watch: AP Posts: 7,437	If no other Rolex, I'd go Sub ... for me, it is THE Rolex. No real logic, other than the Glidelock clasp. Also, I like the feeling of the Sub's bezel a bit better (120 vs. 24 clicks if I am not mistaken). __________________ How can you have any pudding if you don't eat yer meat????

27 September 2011, 06:23 AM	#3
jonathon555 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: UK Posts: 582	Close call , I went gmt IIc , then 116610 lv The IIc is my watch of choice

27 September 2011, 06:27 AM	#5
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	Very few differences between the two. You have polished centre links on the GMT as opposed to brushed on the Sub; the GMT uses Rolex's standard sports clasp with Easylink (an extra fold-out half link), whilst the Sub uses Glidelock (about an inch worth of fine adjustment on the clasp); the case lugs are marginally thicker on the Sub, as is the caseback; the GMT uses green-glowing SuperLuminova paint, the Sub uses blue-glowing Chromalight paint. Of course, the two use different movements too, the cal. 3186 in the GMT (independent hour hand plus 24hr hand), the cal. 3135 in the Sub (quick set date). Both excellent watches. I myself would choose the GMT IIc

27 September 2011, 06:27 AM	#6
gwalker "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Gunter Location: AL/NJ Watch: DSSD; 116610LN Posts: 5,509	I like the SubC. I will have a GMTIIC soon but the Sub is now my watch of choice even over my DSSD. I thing the GMT is dressier but the SubC IMO is the perfect Rolex. I wasn't sure about the pcls on the GMT.

27 September 2011, 06:34 AM	#10
eric23 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Calgary Posts: 9,595	Both nice but GMT for sure!

27 September 2011, 07:15 AM	#12
esm "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Eric Location: Location,Location Watch: this, bro... Posts: 15,340	The lume colours are different too

27 September 2011, 07:59 AM	#18
Maxseven "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Real Name: Joe Location: Bloomfield, MI Watch: Submariner Posts: 467	Don't sweat it - either will be fantastic. Flip a coin and be done with it. __________________ Hooper: Watch it! Damn it, Martin! This is compressed air! Martin: Well what the hell kind of a knot was that! Hooper: You pulled the wrong one! You screw around with these tanks and they're going to blow up!

27 September 2011, 08:06 AM	#20
thewatchguy93 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: thewatchguy Location: UK Watch: me buy gold.. Posts: 7,441	You can't go wrong either way.. Both are fantastic, I can say so because I have owned both GMTIIc then flipped for the Sub-C... My vote goes to the Sub __________________ Instagram.. @thewatchguy www.thewatchguyofficial.co.uk Got a GREEN Submariner 116610LV.. Visit the official thread here! http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=179580 Don't forget to visit the Rolex & Attire thread too! http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=215077

27 September 2011, 08:19 AM	#21
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Do you travel more than you dive? If yes, the GMT time zone feature will be of more use to you.

27 September 2011, 11:34 AM	#23
rossi46 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Dan Location: CT, by a lake Watch: 16570 Posts: 1,544	Personal preference, since I just bought one, but for me the GMT. Yes, the Sub is the more iconic Sub, but that also means a lot more people have one. I was worried about the PCLs and "blinginess" but after trying it on I realized just how small the links are. Seriously, it is one thin bracelet and the links are only in the middle. (Also, after a while the polish mellows out, anyway). The GMT gives you an extra complication, that besides being just something cool to look at or brag about (300m depth rating, anyone?) is actually useful if you travel. Again, I had both in mind, but when I tried on the GMT I was sold instantly. Do the same and good luck with your choice! __________________ A watch is about the entire package, not just its appearance. Any large watch company not making its own movement is not making a watch at all; they’re just playing dress-up. --The Watch Snob

27 September 2011, 11:43 AM	#24
Rani Drama "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Canada Watch: 116610LN Sub Posts: 427	I originally wanted the GMT IIc and i still think it is fantastic. Sometimes when i'm hanging out with my cousin who has one i get envious because it just has that sparkle that sometimes mine lacks. But at the end of the day i can't beat the every day versatility of the Sub. I adjust my clasp constantly to fit my wrist better especially during the hot summer days and i'm usually dressed more casually so the sub just fits a bit better. But the GMT is what got me into the AD. __________________

27 September 2011, 12:05 PM	#26
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,253	Eveybody has a preference, and some have both. I would recomend the GMTIIC, because that's the one I choose. Either way you can't go wrong. Good luck with your hunt. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

27 September 2011, 12:18 PM	#27
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	Your call of course, I gad a GMTIIC but at the end I prefer the simpler dial of the SubC sans the green hand/text, the bracelet without PLC and the better clasp. Both are oustanding pieces though and can't-go-wrong choices.

27 September 2011, 12:41 PM	#28
MortgageGuy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Adam Location: Orlando, Florida Watch: Me Posts: 9,935	This has to be one of the toughest decisions to make in the SS Sports Model Line... I have owned both and now currently only own the Sub C. Without the PCL's it just seems more like an everyday up for anything watch __________________ The richest people in the world look for and build NETWORKS, Everyone else looks for work... Robert Kiyosaki

27 September 2011, 01:23 PM	#29
handsfull "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: J Location: The great Midwest Watch: youlookinat? Posts: 2,369	If I traveled, GMT II - NO QUESTION. That said, I own both and prefer the SubC because it simply 'wears' better. The clasp on the SubC is longer than the GMT, so if you have smaller wrists (I have 7.5) it may be a factor.

27 September 2011, 01:50 PM	#30
paolo14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Los angeles Posts: 372	Sub-c for me! Attached Images

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