Red Sub check

[brian8121]

Hey everyone, I'm a longtime collector of new Swiss watches (mostly JLC, Rolex, PP, and IWC), but a total noob when it comes to vintage. I'm looking to buy a Red Sub - all original, no re-lume and an untouched dial a requirement - but I'm obviously wary of fakes.

Can any tell me what they think of these two:

http://www.hqmilton.com/index.php/si...rom_7_20_2011/

I know that's one of Jacek's but I haven't been able to get into contact with him.

Then there's this Mark II dial:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLEX-Red-Su...#ht_500wt_1212

How's it look to the experts eyes here?

Excuse my naivety, I'm new to this and trying to learn. Thanks in advance and apologies if this is the wrong forum.

B