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zook5 · 28 November 2011, 02:27 PM

I've been a reader of this site since I purchased my Z serial No Date Sub (non COSC) from an AD a few years back although this is my first post. This is an awesome website and filled with really cool and insightful folks!

I love my Sub but have been thinking about selling it and using the cash for a SubC. I really like the classic and understated style of the NoDate but something about the new Sub is pulling at me. The new bracelet seems awesome as does the ceramic bezel. Even though the bezel looks phenomenal I'm a bit concerned about the durability since it would be my only watch and I'd wear it daily as I do with my 14060M.

Have any of you upgraded from a NoDate Sub to the SubC as your only watch? If so have you had any regrets or are there any concerns/issues that you have with the SubC?

Not sure if I should roll the dice and sell my Sub to get a 116610 or if I should keep the 14060 and save up for a SubC so I can have both. Not sure if I really need both watches since I'm more of a 1 watch guy but I don't want to regret selling my 14060 since I believe that it's one of the later z serials before they went to the COSC dials.

Any thought/input is greatly appreciated!

Oyster Junkie · 28 November 2011, 02:32 PM

Keep 14060M and save for the Sub-C. I have a Sub-C LV and it is an awesome watch and will be available new for years to come. The 14060M I'm not so sure hey will keep in production as they may update it to maxi dial and cerachrome bezel like the Sub-C

CDNWatchNut · 28 November 2011, 02:54 PM

I'd considered it, but after trying on a sub c on several occasions at AD's over a period of about a year, and wanting to like it, I realized that I really preferred my submariner.
Best thing is to go try one on...ideally more than once to be sure. It's a completely different watch than the old sub and sub date.

GradyPhilpott · 28 November 2011, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Oyster Junkie

Keep 14060M and save for the Sub-C.

I consider this to be sage advice.

psv · 28 November 2011, 03:12 PM

If in doubtsave up, but I highly suspect you'll love the SubC. I don't wear my 11610 ever after getting the new one.

CharlieSF · 28 November 2011, 03:37 PM

I've yet to actually read one of your posts as your avatar pic is incredibly distracting :)

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Originally Posted by Oyster Junkie

Keep 14060M and save for the Sub-C. I have a Sub-C LV and it is an awesome watch and will be available new for years to come. The 14060M I'm not so sure hey will keep in production as they may update it to maxi dial and cerachrome bezel like the Sub-C

zook5 · 28 November 2011, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CDNWatchNut

I'd considered it, but after trying on a sub c on several occasions at AD's over a period of about a year, and wanting to like it, I realized that I really preferred my submariner.
Best thing is to go try one on...ideally more than once to be sure. It's a completely different watch than the old sub and sub date.

Good advice! This weekend I saw a 116613 at an AD but have not had a chance to see/try on a 116610. Hard part is they rarely are in stock since they seem to be very popular!

CyberPaol · 28 November 2011, 06:07 PM

I own both of them...I've not worn my 14060M since I've owened my Sub c! It's a great wattch...the new case and the ceramic insert of the bezel are great things for me. Compared with the 116610, the 14060 feel to me like a fake...

Watchonisto · 28 November 2011, 06:11 PM

Keep the no date and save up for the ceramic

Jannal · 28 November 2011, 06:17 PM

Keep the 14060, I recken this model will be discontinued soon? Save up for the Sub C, there should be plenty on the market so not difficult to find.

azguy · 29 November 2011, 12:45 AM

Have you tried one on yet ? Without a doubt it wears and feels..larger, heavier and wider than your 14060.....You have a great watch there, give it creaful consideration before jumping into anything

dddrees · 29 November 2011, 01:09 AM

It really depends on you more than anything else. This trade I am sure would work for some and not others. The newer SubC is great but there is nothing wrong with the one you already have.

If in doubt, I say keep the one you have and start saving in the meantime.

Woody · 29 November 2011, 01:53 AM

I would keep the 14060M and save for the Sub-C. I am lucky to have both and enjoy wearing them on different occassions. The Sub-C is certainly more impressive on the wrist and looks and feels great but I tend to wear my 14060M more often as it sits easily under a shirt cuff and goes with everything (a real classic).

Mennald · 29 November 2011, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by zook5

I really like the classic and understated style of the NoDate but something about the new Sub is pulling at me.

I can identify with that!

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Originally Posted by zook5

The new bracelet seems awesome as does the ceramic bezel. Even though the bezel looks phenomenal I'm a bit concerned about the durability since it would be my only watch and I'd wear it daily as I do with my 14060M.

I also agree with your bracelet and bezel comment. I am not too sure that you need be concerned about durability. I don't wear a single watch daily but in a rotation and the two I own with ceramic bezels are holding up fine (GMTIIc and Subc). The GMT has been in rotation for about four years and the Sub one year.

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Originally Posted by zook5

Have any of you upgraded from a NoDate Sub to the SubC as your only watch? If so have you had any regrets or are there any concerns/issues that you have with the SubC?

I have no regrets or concerns. The SubC is a beautiful, well constructed watch. I especially like the maxi dial, the blue lumina glow, and the clasp is outstanding.

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Originally Posted by zook5

Not sure if I should roll the dice and sell my Sub to get a 116610 or if I should keep the 14060 and save up for a SubC so I can have both. Not sure if I really need both watches since I'm more of a 1 watch guy but I don't want to regret selling my 14060 since I believe that it's one of the later z serials before they went to the COSC dials.

Any thought/input is greatly appreciated!

Only you can make this decision. My recommendation would be save for and buy the SubC. Wear it for awhile. Decide if you would like to alternate. You can always sell your 14060 later.

WyoWatch · 29 November 2011, 02:43 AM

As others have said, weigh your options carefully and make a good informed decision that best suits you.

My personal experience: Had a 14060M. Never liked the bracelet (at all); the watch was OK and kept great time. When the Sub C came out, I sold the 14060M to fund the Sub C purchase. To be completely honest with you, I've never missed the 14060 a single day since I sold it. As for the Sub C - I can't bring myself to wear any of my other watches; I love it that much (going on almost 2 years of ownership now). Your mileage may vary. Good luck

brettpaul · 29 November 2011, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

I consider this to be sage advice.

x3! The one on your wrist is a classic that may not be produced much longer...wear it and enjoy while saving for the Sub C which is in the lineup to stay!

Cabaiguan · 29 November 2011, 05:04 AM

The SubC is fantastic. I don't think you'll miss the 14060. However, if in doubt, save up for the new Sub. They'll be around for a long time to come.

goldminer · 29 November 2011, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Oyster Junkie

Keep 14060M and save for the Sub-C. I have a Sub-C LV and it is an awesome watch and will be available new for years to come. The 14060M I'm not so sure hey will keep in production as they may update it to maxi dial and cerachrome bezel like the Sub-C

I also think this is good advice, you will miss your Submariner 14060M

stockae92 · 29 November 2011, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by zook5

I love my Sub ...

You answered your question. Don't do it my brother ...

There will always be more Sub C to come, many years more ...

Keeperoftime · 29 November 2011, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gradyphilpott

i consider this to be sage advice.

+1

beaglehusky · 29 November 2011, 07:22 AM

Nooooooo! Keep the 14060!

Art 1 · 29 November 2011, 07:46 AM

I would keep the Sub.

zook5 · 29 November 2011, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Mennald

I can identify with that!

I also agree with your bracelet and bezel comment. I am not too sure that you need be concerned about durability. I don't wear a single watch daily but in a rotation and the two I own with ceramic bezels are holding up fine (GMTIIc and Subc). The GMT has been in rotation for about four years and the Sub one year.

I have no regrets or concerns. The SubC is a beautiful, well constructed watch. I especially like the maxi dial, the blue lumina glow, and the clasp is outstanding.

Only you can make this decision. My recommendation would be save for and buy the SubC. Wear it for awhile. Decide if you would like to alternate. You can always sell your 14060 later.

Your feedback is really helpful as is much of the insights provided by other members! Looks like I might be best off in holding onto the 14060M and saving up for a bit to get a SubC. That seems like the best solution as it would provide the best of both worlds, old and new. Thanks for all the info folks!!!

al_bongo · 29 November 2011, 08:31 AM

I'd keep it, save up and buy the sub date. If you find once you have the sub date you never wear the 14060M you can sell it with no worries.

mrbill2mrbill2 · 29 November 2011, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by zook5

Your feedback is really helpful as is much of the insights provided by other members! Looks like I might be best off in holding onto the 14060M and saving up for a bit to get a SubC. That seems like the best solution as it would provide the best of both worlds, old and new. Thanks for all the info folks!!!

A wise decision that you will not regret.

RRGHOST1 · 29 November 2011, 08:46 AM

Everyone is saying you will miss your 14060M,well i will say you wont as i have a TT Blue SubC and its the difference between chalk and cheese. The 14060M is a nice watch but the SubC with its Glidelock,maxi case and blue lume puts it on another level and it feels more upmarket IMO.

zook5 · 29 November 2011, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexplorer2

Everyone is saying you will miss your 14060M,well i will say you wont as i have a TT Blue SubC and its the difference between chalk and cheese. The 14060M is a nice watch but the SubC with its Glidelock,maxi case and blue lume puts it on another level and it feels more upmarket IMO.

Very interesting observations on the SubC and many of the same reasons that I'm so attracted to it (updated bracelet, blue lume, maxi dial)!

Vernal · 29 November 2011, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by mrbill2mrbill2

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A wise decision that you will not regret.

Ditto.

I had the same question this summer. I bought the 14060 first, then bought a 116610. Wore my 14060 Thurs, Sat and Sun., my 116610 on Wed, Fri and today; each have their pros and (relative) cons, but I can't pick a favorite, and I would definitely miss either one.

CDNWatchNut · 29 November 2011, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberPaol

I own both of them........ Compared with the 116610, the 14060 feel to me like a fake...

Blasphemy!!!

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wokafu · 29 November 2011, 11:08 AM

me brother.... i had the same dilema the 1st week i got my 14060M....and thanks to all the helpful TRF members the 'itch' is gone...even though the Sub C price hike made my dream watch further...yet i think 1 day i will have enough to get it....keep the 14060 and save for Sub C...the reward would taste much much better IMHO....

28 November 2011, 02:27 PM	#1
zook5 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: US Posts: 14	Considering trading 14060M for SubC I've been a reader of this site since I purchased my Z serial No Date Sub (non COSC) from an AD a few years back although this is my first post. This is an awesome website and filled with really cool and insightful folks! I love my Sub but have been thinking about selling it and using the cash for a SubC. I really like the classic and understated style of the NoDate but something about the new Sub is pulling at me. The new bracelet seems awesome as does the ceramic bezel. Even though the bezel looks phenomenal I'm a bit concerned about the durability since it would be my only watch and I'd wear it daily as I do with my 14060M. Have any of you upgraded from a NoDate Sub to the SubC as your only watch? If so have you had any regrets or are there any concerns/issues that you have with the SubC? Not sure if I should roll the dice and sell my Sub to get a 116610 or if I should keep the 14060 and save up for a SubC so I can have both. Not sure if I really need both watches since I'm more of a 1 watch guy but I don't want to regret selling my 14060 since I believe that it's one of the later z serials before they went to the COSC dials. Any thought/input is greatly appreciated!

28 November 2011, 06:07 PM	#8
CyberPaol "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Marco Location: Italy Watch: Rolex and Omega Posts: 267	I own both of them...I've not worn my 14060M since I've owened my Sub c! It's a great wattch...the new case and the ceramic insert of the bezel are great things for me. Compared with the 116610, the 14060 feel to me like a fake... __________________ 14060M (no C.O.S.C.) * 16610LN RRR * 126610LN * 216610LV * 16710 Pepsi * 126710 BLRO * 116520 White Chromalight * 16570 Polar * 226570 Polar * 126334 Vivid Blue jubilee * Moonwatch 3861 hesalite

28 November 2011, 06:17 PM	#10
Jannal "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 685	Keep the 14060, I recken this model will be discontinued soon? Save up for the Sub C, there should be plenty on the market so not difficult to find. __________________ Bell & Ross: BRS-98S Casio: G-Shock GW-5000U / GW-5000-1JF / DW-5035D 35th / DW-5030C 30th / DW-5000SP 20th / DW-5600C-9CV / Marlin W-450 Panerai: Luminor 000i Seiko: SBGX117 / SBGX335

29 November 2011, 01:09 AM	#12
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,253	It really depends on you more than anything else. This trade I am sure would work for some and not others. The newer SubC is great but there is nothing wrong with the one you already have. If in doubt, I say keep the one you have and start saving in the meantime. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

29 November 2011, 05:04 AM	#17
Cabaiguan "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Raf Location: NJ Watch: GMTII Posts: 2,155	The SubC is fantastic. I don't think you'll miss the 14060. However, if in doubt, save up for the new Sub. They'll be around for a long time to come. __________________ "A ship of war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell

28 November 2011, 02:32 PM	#2
Oyster Junkie Banned Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Barry Location: Yosemite Nat.Park Watch: Idiot Savant Posts: 731	Keep 14060M and save for the Sub-C. I have a Sub-C LV and it is an awesome watch and will be available new for years to come. The 14060M I'm not so sure hey will keep in production as they may update it to maxi dial and cerachrome bezel like the Sub-C

28 November 2011, 02:54 PM	#3
CDNWatchNut "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Juan Location: Sherwood Park, Ab Watch: 114060 Posts: 1,509	I'd considered it, but after trying on a sub c on several occasions at AD's over a period of about a year, and wanting to like it, I realized that I really preferred my submariner. Best thing is to go try one on...ideally more than once to be sure. It's a completely different watch than the old sub and sub date.

28 November 2011, 03:12 PM	#5
psv 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA & France Posts: 11,078	If in doubtsave up, but I highly suspect you'll love the SubC. I don't wear my 11610 ever after getting the new one.

28 November 2011, 06:11 PM	#9
Watchonisto Banned Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Alex Location: European Union Watch: AP, ROLEX, PP, PAM Posts: 4,344	Keep the no date and save up for the ceramic

29 November 2011, 12:45 AM	#11
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	Have you tried one on yet ? Without a doubt it wears and feels..larger, heavier and wider than your 14060.....You have a great watch there, give it creaful consideration before jumping into anything

29 November 2011, 01:53 AM	#13
Woody "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Africa Posts: 1,127	I would keep the 14060M and save for the Sub-C. I am lucky to have both and enjoy wearing them on different occassions. The Sub-C is certainly more impressive on the wrist and looks and feels great but I tend to wear my 14060M more often as it sits easily under a shirt cuff and goes with everything (a real classic).

29 November 2011, 02:43 AM	#15
WyoWatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: USA Watch: 1675 GMT and Sub C Posts: 1,443	As others have said, weigh your options carefully and make a good informed decision that best suits you. My personal experience: Had a 14060M. Never liked the bracelet (at all); the watch was OK and kept great time. When the Sub C came out, I sold the 14060M to fund the Sub C purchase. To be completely honest with you, I've never missed the 14060 a single day since I sold it. As for the Sub C - I can't bring myself to wear any of my other watches; I love it that much (going on almost 2 years of ownership now). Your mileage may vary. Good luck

29 November 2011, 07:22 AM	#21
beaglehusky "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Real Name: Adrian Location: Tanzania Posts: 1,553	Nooooooo! Keep the 14060!

29 November 2011, 07:46 AM	#22
Art 1 Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Florida, Canada Watch: Rol/Seik/Tud/Omega Posts: 30,244	I would keep the Sub.

29 November 2011, 08:31 AM	#24
al_bongo "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 444	I'd keep it, save up and buy the sub date. If you find once you have the sub date you never wear the 14060M you can sell it with no worries.

29 November 2011, 08:46 AM	#26
RRGHOST1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: luke standing Location: england Watch: Rolex TT SubC Blue Posts: 3,997	Everyone is saying you will miss your 14060M,well i will say you wont as i have a TT Blue SubC and its the difference between chalk and cheese. The 14060M is a nice watch but the SubC with its Glidelock,maxi case and blue lume puts it on another level and it feels more upmarket IMO.

29 November 2011, 11:08 AM	#30
wokafu "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Malaysia Watch: SM300+14060M Posts: 2,012	me brother.... i had the same dilema the 1st week i got my 14060M....and thanks to all the helpful TRF members the 'itch' is gone...even though the Sub C price hike made my dream watch further...yet i think 1 day i will have enough to get it....keep the 14060 and save for Sub C...the reward would taste much much better IMHO....

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