Should watches with out an in-house movement be compared to rolex?

[CPAWatchFan]

Should watches with out an in-house movement be compared to rolex?

[Dan Pierce]

Seiko's have in house movements. Does that mean they should be compared w/ Rolex?
Can't understand the concern w/ in house movements other than trying to justify the cost. If a watch has the features I want, at a price I can afford, with a great design, I could care less who made the movement as long as it's built to last.
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[p_mcgee]

I've read several reviews of the Rolex 3155 movement vs. the high end ETA 2892 movement and apparently they are of similar quality. So, yes.

[stephentross]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Seiko's have in house movements. Does that mean they should be compared w/ Rolex?
Can't understand the concern w/ in house movements other than trying to justify the cost. If a watch has the features I want, at a price I can afford, with a great design, I could care less who made the movement as long as it's built to last.
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I could not agree more.

To add my own thoughts, All movements are in house for some company. If it is quality, Yes you can compare it. And you may be surprised how many times the out of house measure up and exceeds what is "in" house

[jimbones43]

My problem is when those non inhouse movement watches approach the prices of a Rolex.

[goldminer]

I don't like comparing watches, each brand has its merits and its faults and at the end of the day one persons dream watch is another persons horror watch!

[mailman]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Seiko's have in house movements. Does that mean they should be compared w/ Rolex?
Can't understand the concern w/ in house movements other than trying to justify the cost. If a watch has the features I want, at a price I can afford, with a great design, I could care less who made the movement as long as it's built to last.
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Well said buddy

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Seiko's have in house movements. Does that mean they should be compared w/ Rolex?
Can't understand the concern w/ in house movements other than trying to justify the cost. If a watch has the features I want, at a price I can afford, with a great design, I could care less who made the movement as long as it's built to last.
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X2 Dan and being what they call in-house made don't always mean its a better movement than many others.Rolex has always made excellent movements but there have been a few over the years quite mediocre movements from a few other so called high end brands.

[gregmoeck]

I just love IWC watches, at least the look of them. I started reading and found that they take ETA movements and heavily modify them, Also some PAM's have this type of movements. I dont know enough about movements but Rolex in house movements are supposed to be more robust than ETA.

[Dan Pierce]

Originally Posted by gregmoeck

I just love IWC watches, at least the look of them. I started reading and found that they take ETA movements and heavily modify them, Also some PAM's have this type of movements. I dont know enough about movements but Rolex in house movements are supposed to be more robust than ETA.

Don't get me wrong, I love my GMT. Best multi timezone watch made, IMHO. But there's no basis in fact that an ETA movement would be less robust that a Rolex movement. A chronometer grade movement is just that, be they Rolex or any other.
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[stephentross]

Originally Posted by gregmoeck

I just love IWC watches, at least the look of them. I started reading and found that they take ETA movements and heavily modify them, Also some PAM's have this type of movements. I dont know enough about movements but Rolex in house movements are supposed to be more robust than ETA.

Not all IWC watches are with ETA movements. In 2005 IWC made a pretty good push to go all in house. They have the right idea and have made huge strides. I own 2 IWC's and both are more accurate than my 2 Rolex Watches. I might add that both movements in my 2 IWC are both in house movements. I believe all chronographs IWC used were ETA until 2007. I remember reading on the IWC forum that the movements are now all in house with the exception of the portofino chrono.

[hsfrank]

I certainly understand Dan's thoughts and agree with part of it. There certainly is no evidence that an ETA ( or any other ) movement is less robust than a Rolex given the same grade or quality. That being said for my money in the price range that I am spending I would prefer completely in house, irrational as that may be. However, I still long for some of the high end and beautifully designed watches that do not have their own in house movements.

[KJM11379]

I don't like to compare different watch brands, as each has its own loyal following. I have owned Breitling and feel that the movement which is a modified ETA is just as good as any other movement out there in the same price range. Buy what sings to you...

[RolexWatcher]

You shouldn't compare watches based on whether it has an in-house movement or not.

You should compare to see if the company takes pride in the watches it makes and its history of watchmaking.

[mike]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Seiko's have in house movements. Does that mean they should be compared w/ Rolex?
Can't understand the concern w/ in house movements other than trying to justify the cost. If a watch has the features I want, at a price I can afford, with a great design, I could care less who made the movement as long as it's built to last.
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Nicely said Dan.

There are many references that carry out-sourced movements that are the equal of an in-house movement.

[yessir69]

Many of the out-house movements are heavily altered in-house. No need to reinvent the wheel evey time. Just my .

[Cabaiguan]

Originally Posted by stephentross

Not all IWC watches are with ETA movements. In 2005 IWC made a pretty good push to go all in house. They have the right idea and have made huge strides. I own 2 IWC's and both are more accurate than my 2 Rolex Watches. I might add that both movements in my 2 IWC are both in house movements. I believe all chronographs IWC used were ETA until 2007. I remember reading on the IWC forum that the movements are now all in house with the exception of the portofino chrono.

Their pilot and Portuguese chrono is a Valjoux movement, not in-house.

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Seiko's have in house movements. Does that mean they should be compared w/ Rolex?
Can't understand the concern w/ in house movements other than trying to justify the cost. If a watch has the features I want, at a price I can afford, with a great design, I could care less who made the movement as long as it's built to last.
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xTwo

[stephentross]

Originally Posted by Cabaiguan

Their pilot and Portuguese chrono is a Valjoux movement, not in-house.

I thought that it was powered by the Calibre 51111 which is in house.