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Dharma bum · 29 January 2012, 04:53 AM

Hello guys, I'm new to this forum, and tried my luck with the search function but to no avail.

I have come across a DJ ref 1601 with a black stick dial where the letters "Datejust" are in red colour. I have never seen this on DJ before and was wondering if anyone could give me some advice as to the authenticity of this dial or if it's a redial/non original?

Sorry, I have no photos of this watch.

many thanks in advance for any advice you may offer.

swish77 · 29 January 2012, 05:30 AM

I've seen some vintage Datejusts with red lettering, including the photo of this one, borrowed from another member. However, this is not a 1601, and without a photo of the watch you're talking about, it'll be difficult for people here to help much. Good luck, though.

Dharma bum · 29 January 2012, 05:39 AM

Thanks for your feedback, yeah I can see that it would help to get some photos of the watch. Will try to get some and upload on here.

MonBK · 29 January 2012, 05:40 AM

Is it a Turnograph?

Dharma bum · 29 January 2012, 05:43 AM

No, not a Turnograph. It's a 1601 SS jubilee with WG fluted bezel, black stick dial gold markers, black figures in the date window, but the letters "Datejust" are in red, just like the above picture posted by swish&&

Dharma bum · 29 January 2012, 04:05 PM

Here's a picture I borrowed from the seller's website

Andad · 29 January 2012, 04:09 PM

Haven't seen one like that before.

SPARTAN2161 · 30 January 2012, 01:22 AM

what is the website? I wonder if its a re-dial

Dharma bum · 30 January 2012, 01:57 AM

The watch is for sale on Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/170766142548...84.m1423.l2649

I'm thinking it is a re-dial too, as have never seen any DJ 1601 with such dials, hence the question about authenticity. Thanks for your advice guys.

SPARTAN2161 · 30 January 2012, 05:55 AM

That this is HIGHLY over priced and the sellers rating is not by any means stellar. Keep and eye out in the classifieds section or on the vintage rolex forum. They come up fairly often for just over half as much. Good luck in your search!

Dharma bum · 30 January 2012, 11:49 AM

Thanks very much, Spartan2161!

shairan · 31 January 2012, 01:34 AM

mmm... I have been looking at a lot of pictures of DJ and this is unusual. Text in advert = "very sort (sic) after red Datejust"...

kyle L · 31 January 2012, 01:42 AM

I remember the early Datejusts like this 6305 had Datejust in red, but I have never seen a 1601...

Dharma bum · 31 January 2012, 11:30 AM

Yeah I think it's time to ask the seller some in-depth questions...

GradyPhilpott · 31 January 2012, 11:40 AM

The bracelet on the one on ebay looks fake to me.

In fact, I'm positive it is.

I think the dial is fake, too. The coronet is highly suspicious at the very least.

Dharma bum · 31 January 2012, 01:44 PM

Thanks Grady, now that you mention it, that coronet does look somewhat dodgy. I have sent the seller a message asking for more details, let's see what he comes back with, if anything...

I recently bought The Rolex Report by Brozek, and after reading the chapters on replica watches I am now starting to realise how easy it is to get fooled if you don't do a careful examination before buying. We learn something new every day..

GradyPhilpott · 31 January 2012, 03:13 PM

This is one hobby where you never stop learning.

Chris B · 31 January 2012, 08:54 PM

Doesn't every factory model red DJ (not TOG) have a roulette date-wheel & in this case the even number 2 should be in red?

Please let us know how it goes

Dharma bum · 1 February 2012, 11:57 AM

Chris, that seems to be the case, at least from what I have gathered after searching various websites.

Update: I asked the seller about the details and authenticity of this dial, and he confirms that the dial has been re finished, he claims by an ex Rolex service man.

I have too little knowledge about vintage Rolexes to say anything about the real value of restored items like this, and I don't even know if it's possible to service this watch at a RSC with this dial, so I'm out...

At least we found out.

29 January 2012, 04:53 AM	#1
Dharma bum "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 23	"Red" Datejust Hello guys, I'm new to this forum, and tried my luck with the search function but to no avail. I have come across a DJ ref 1601 with a black stick dial where the letters "Datejust" are in red colour. I have never seen this on DJ before and was wondering if anyone could give me some advice as to the authenticity of this dial or if it's a redial/non original? Sorry, I have no photos of this watch. many thanks in advance for any advice you may offer.

29 January 2012, 05:30 AM	#2
swish77 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 6,999	I've seen some vintage Datejusts with red lettering, including the photo of this one, borrowed from another member. However, this is not a 1601, and without a photo of the watch you're talking about, it'll be difficult for people here to help much. Good luck, though. Attached Images

29 January 2012, 04:09 PM	#7
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,526	Haven't seen one like that before. __________________ E

31 January 2012, 11:40 AM	#15
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	The bracelet on the one on ebay looks fake to me. In fact, I'm positive it is. I think the dial is fake, too. The coronet is highly suspicious at the very least. Attached Images __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

31 January 2012, 03:13 PM	#17
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	This is one hobby where you never stop learning. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

29 January 2012, 05:39 AM	#3
Dharma bum "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 23	Thanks for your feedback, yeah I can see that it would help to get some photos of the watch. Will try to get some and upload on here.

29 January 2012, 05:40 AM	#4
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Is it a Turnograph?

29 January 2012, 05:43 AM	#5
Dharma bum "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 23	No, not a Turnograph. It's a 1601 SS jubilee with WG fluted bezel, black stick dial gold markers, black figures in the date window, but the letters "Datejust" are in red, just like the above picture posted by swish&&

29 January 2012, 04:05 PM	#6
Dharma bum "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 23	Here's a picture I borrowed from the seller's website

30 January 2012, 01:22 AM	#8
SPARTAN2161 Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Nick H. Location: Amherst, NY Watch: me flip Posts: 1,901	what is the website? I wonder if its a re-dial

30 January 2012, 01:57 AM	#9
Dharma bum "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 23	The watch is for sale on Ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/170766142548...84.m1423.l2649 I'm thinking it is a re-dial too, as have never seen any DJ 1601 with such dials, hence the question about authenticity. Thanks for your advice guys.

30 January 2012, 05:55 AM	#10
SPARTAN2161 Banned Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Nick H. Location: Amherst, NY Watch: me flip Posts: 1,901	That this is HIGHLY over priced and the sellers rating is not by any means stellar. Keep and eye out in the classifieds section or on the vintage rolex forum. They come up fairly often for just over half as much. Good luck in your search!

30 January 2012, 11:49 AM	#11
Dharma bum "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 23	Thanks very much, Spartan2161!

31 January 2012, 01:34 AM	#12
shairan "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Malaysia Posts: 26	mmm... I have been looking at a lot of pictures of DJ and this is unusual. Text in advert = "very sort (sic) after red Datejust"...

31 January 2012, 01:42 AM	#13
kyle L "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Watch: Rolex Explorer I Posts: 10,278	I remember the early Datejusts like this 6305 had Datejust in red, but I have never seen a 1601...

31 January 2012, 11:30 AM	#14
Dharma bum "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 23	Yeah I think it's time to ask the seller some in-depth questions...

31 January 2012, 01:44 PM	#16
Dharma bum "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 23	Thanks Grady, now that you mention it, that coronet does look somewhat dodgy. I have sent the seller a message asking for more details, let's see what he comes back with, if anything... I recently bought The Rolex Report by Brozek, and after reading the chapters on replica watches I am now starting to realise how easy it is to get fooled if you don't do a careful examination before buying. We learn something new every day..

31 January 2012, 08:54 PM	#18
Chris B "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Peterborough Posts: 9,631	Doesn't every factory model red DJ (not TOG) have a roulette date-wheel & in this case the even number 2 should be in red? Please let us know how it goes

1 February 2012, 11:57 AM	#19
Dharma bum "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Shanghai Posts: 23	Chris, that seems to be the case, at least from what I have gathered after searching various websites. Update: I asked the seller about the details and authenticity of this dial, and he confirms that the dial has been re finished, he claims by an ex Rolex service man. I have too little knowledge about vintage Rolexes to say anything about the real value of restored items like this, and I don't even know if it's possible to service this watch at a RSC with this dial, so I'm out... At least we found out.

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