AP vs VC

[TattooedGQ]

Hey Guys....So I've always had a soft spot for VC's and AP's

The Overseas line has been calling me, particularly the two time zone, and I've always liked the ROO's (Dalip's recent thread on his Diver is what's inspiring my recent dilemma)

So between the two...is there any reason why I would go for one rather than the other...and Yes I know they're two completely different animals.

Call it a late new years Resolution, but I think I'll need to get either or by the end of 2012....just in case the world ends!

[h999r]

Yes you're right they are 2 different animals. AP is my pick. Because to own it, wearing it ... It just a different feeling. Also because ... It's AP !! :))

[HL65]

For me...AP all the way. Unique style and truly stand apart from every other watch in terms of style and look. They just have that feel on the wrist too which until you wear one you won't understand. With that said...to each his own and VC is a great watch house.

[TattooedGQ]

Thanks guys....I tried on a ROO at a GTG last year, and I knew it was a winner.....i wonder if we have any VC fans on the board.

[TSW]

As other friends and fine members has already said... AP any day of the week

[eric23]

I like AP but there are a lot of nice VC as well.

[capote]

As a brand I prefer VC over AP, but in the sport watch department it has to be the Royal Oak. If you like the dual time OS you should check out the RO dual time with the same dial layout.

[FeelingTheBlues]

I personally prefer VC (although AP has beautiful models), this may be due to the fact that I like my watches to look somewhat dressy even if they're sport models but still I think VC has more versatile pieces.

[esm]

tough choice.

there are pieces i'd prefer VC and there are ones i like in the AP range.

between RO and Overseas, i'd go with the Overseas any day of the week, and twice on Sundays

[DD GT3 RD]

Love both but love the low key OVERSEAS. Clean, great history to the brand and less ostentatious.

Dual Time on strap and bracelet




Gold Chrono




and NEW GOLD PERP CALENDAR w/ Chrono

[kilyung]

I'd get the AP for its in-house 3120 movement. While the dual time feature is nice, I can't get past the fact that a manifacture with such a proud heritage like VC uses the JLC cal889 movement.

[tomato]

I think both are great brands. I personally feel that AP has a more iconic, recognizable design in the royal oak lines. I have no personal experience with VCs, but I sure like my AP.

[Submarino]

They are both equally amazing!!!

Audemars Piguet along with Vacheron Constanting and Patek Philippe form what is known as the 'Holy Trinity of Watchmaking'. Can't go wrong with either but I personally prefer AP all the way.

[DD GT3 RD]

Originally Posted by kilyung

I'd get the AP for its in-house 3120 movement. While the dual time feature is nice, I can't get past the fact that a manifacture with such a proud heritage like VC uses the JLC cal889 movement.

nothing wrong with that, if its a personal preference thats fine. But one of the most sought after AP's, the 15202 has a JLC movement and a movement that is regarded as one of the best. They did buy the rights to it but it is JLC.

[TattooedGQ]

Ok looks like good for both sides.....luckily i have some time to decide.

I have to say I really like the AP that Capote mentioned.....but the Vc on the strapp DD GT3 posted is sexy as hell.

Love all the input so far.....this is gonna be one fun hunt!

[Dickson Lim]

Originally Posted by kilyung

I'd get the AP for its in-house 3120 movement. While the dual time feature is nice, I can't get past the fact that a manifacture with such a proud heritage like VC uses the JLC cal889 movement.

The AP RO Dual Time is also using JLC cal889 movement too. However, before JLC is being sold to Richemont, AP did own 40% of JLC. Hence, that make sense for the older models to use JLC movements. Just to clarify.

[AAMD11]

I am glad you started this thread mainly because you are talking about my grails. I would love to get an AP RO Dual Time with the blue dial or the VC Dual Time with the black dial. Been stuck between the two for a very long time. Good thing is I wont be purchasing one for a long long long while. Recently though I am more into the VC than the AP. Reason being is that you see a lot of AP RO's out there, while the VC Overseas is more scarce. Both are great watches, I mean AP is fantastic, but I believe I would go with the VC. The dial looks great I love the little moon on the second time indicator, the bracelet with the cross inlets is fabulous. You cant go wrong either way! You just have to do a lot of soul searching, personally however, I'd go with the VC, haven't seen many VC's around here, to me another plus as it makes you as the individual a rare breed.

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by DD GT3 RD

nothing wrong with that, if its a personal preference thats fine. But one of the most sought after AP's, the 15202 has a JLC movement and a movement that is regarded as one of the best. They did buy the rights to it but it is JLC.

Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

The AP RO Dual Time is also using JLC cal889 movement too. However, before JLC is being sold to Richemont, AP did own 40% of JLC. Hence, that make sense for the older models to use JLC movements. Just to clarify.

I have nothing against JLC movements. Many fine brands use their movements and I happen to love my JLCs. It's more bewilderment that VC has not developed their own dual time movement. It's well within their capabilities.

[Dickson Lim]

Originally Posted by kilyung

I have nothing against JLC movements. Many fine brands use their movements and I happen to love my JLCs. It's more bewilderment that VC has not developed their own dual time movement. It's well within their capabilities.

It is surely within their capabilities, however they may consider the cost associated with the R&D to be way more beyond the sale. One day, it will come.

[BKKJake]

Originally Posted by capote

As a brand I prefer VC over AP, but in the sport watch department it has to be the Royal Oak. If you like the dual time OS you should check out the RO dual time with the same dial layout.

Beautiful but 39mm, correct? I think the VC is 42. That may make a difference to him.

[Mosco]

Sorry guys, I'm going with VC here. At this point of horological history, they're becoming much more exclusive, which is the point. The repair costs aren't ridiculous as with AP, more models with less variations is a huge plus also. I just don't get the idea of building a brand around one model, such as Big Bang or Offshore (yes, I am putting them in one category). Furthermore, I am disliking how AP is beginning to sell out their name to rappers and basketball players. You'll never see a Breguet Jay-Z, rest assured. The Offshore Chronos are the same watches in different costumes, and to me it is getting old.

Now to VC - the oldest running manufacture that really stays true to its heritage. The Overseas line is an absolute stunner - especially the Deep Streams... Covers an incredible range of price-points and complication levels. Nowadays is a much better seller than the Offshore, and is getting harder and harder to locate at a discount. VC is beginning to align itself with PP, in my opinion. And the fact that the ENTIRE production for 2012 has been entirely sold-out speaks volumes about its desirability.

[B. Doggy]

AP gets my vote. I do agree with what Greg said about their image at times though. Too many SE's being released...

[TattooedGQ]

Greg...as always your take on things is very appreciated...and the point made about AP's marketing their name....Thanks bud!

[Mosco]

and I do truly hope I didn't offend the many AP owners here - and if I did, I am sincerely sorry - but if we all agreed on everything, this would be a very mundane place. Plus we were discussing the current state of the brands, and AP has been/will be here for a long time. Brands do reinvent themselves. Hell, early 80's was a very difficult time for VC - but look a them now.

[Submarino]

Originally Posted by Mosco

and I do truly hope I didn't offend the many AP owners here - and if I did, I am sincerely sorry - but if we all agreed on everything, this would be a very mundane place. Plus we were discussing the current state of the brands, and AP has been/will be here for a long time. Brands do reinvent themselves. Hell, early 80's was a very difficult time for VC - but look a them now.

I am so very offended!!! Hahahaha

As much as I have always been a big fan of AP (I currently own several pieces and have owned over eight different ones in the past) I have to agree with you Greg about what they have been doing with the Offshore line and relying on celebrity endorsements that are really unnecessary. That's the reason why the pieces that I like from them, are the ones that stay true to the brand equity and soul of Audemars Piguet.

In my opinion pieces like the AP RO ref. 5402, the RO OO 15721ST, the 15300, the 15202 and the new Jumbo 40th anniversary will continue to be timeless and classics.

[LAJM]

This is a very good thread for learning about both brands....thanks everybody

[TSW]

Originally Posted by Mosco

and I do truly hope I didn't offend the many AP owners here - and if I did, I am sincerely sorry - but if we all agreed on everything, this would be a very mundane place. Plus we were discussing the current state of the brands, and AP has been/will be here for a long time. Brands do reinvent themselves. Hell, early 80's was a very difficult time for VC - but look a them now.

Not offended at all buddy
But speaking the truth VC would't exist if it wasn't for Richemont and for a huge market in China.

[TSW]

Some models from VC is very much on my long list of pieces i'd like to add to my collection.

Such as the Ti Overseas Chrono, and the absolutely stunning 1921....among many others really

[93 Turbo]

I'm a huge VC Overseas Ti fan. The AP's are very nice, but not my cup of tea.

I was fortunate enough to hold Dalip's AP RO diver at the Perth GTG late last year, didn't put it on because we know what happens afterwards.

Mike, (Kilyung) thanks for the info ref the dual time using a JLC mvt, I liken this to Rolex using a Zenith mvt in the earlier Daytona.

Greg, (Mosco) what sort of price are the VC Ti Overseas daultime, preowned commanding, or the standard OS Ti without the dual time complication? I celebrate my half century in just over 2 years. The VC is leading the new 116570 as a present to self at this stage.

Cheers Jules

[onkyo]

Originally Posted by Mosco

Sorry guys, I'm going with VC here. At this point of horological history, they're becoming much more exclusive, which is the point. The repair costs aren't ridiculous as with AP, more models with less variations is a huge plus also. I just don't get the idea of building a brand around one model, such as Big Bang or Offshore (yes, I am putting them in one category). Furthermore, I am disliking how AP is beginning to sell out their name to rappers and basketball players. You'll never see a Breguet Jay-Z, rest assured. The Offshore Chronos are the same watches in different costumes, and to me it is getting old.

Now to VC - the oldest running manufacture that really stays true to its heritage. The Overseas line is an absolute stunner - especially the Deep Streams... Covers an incredible range of price-points and complication levels. Nowadays is a much better seller than the Offshore, and is getting harder and harder to locate at a discount. VC is beginning to align itself with PP, in my opinion. And the fact that the ENTIRE production for 2012 has been entirely sold-out speaks volumes about its desirability.

As much as I love AP (and I love them a lot) I agree that the Jay-Z, Shaq, etc branding is quite annoying and bringing the brand down. Other than that their style, fit, finish is top notch.

But I am also hoping to own a VC soon.