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Runnin' Rebel · 13 March 2012, 02:29 PM

Is it how old it is, reference number, not produced anymore ?

Is my GMT Serti Root Beer from '95 almost vintage ?

Sorry ran a search and couldn't find anything

Thx
Mark

horseco · 13 March 2012, 02:59 PM

Maybe the vintage section would be a better place to ask???

rad87gn · 13 March 2012, 03:04 PM

Vintage are the ones with plastic crystals.

ayres · 13 March 2012, 03:21 PM

actually, some vintage rolex can be fitted with a synthetic crystal...

really, the best indicator in my eyes is the movement... vintage have a signature slower beat. so in the late seventies and early eighties, many of the references went to a faster beat.

this is just one of many indicators. and all the indicators happened at different times. regardless, there is no exact, definitive date for all references to have made the jump from vintage to modern.

FNFZ4 · 13 March 2012, 04:23 PM

I dont know about watches but I know 25 to 30 years in cars are considered vintage.

Dr. Robert · 13 March 2012, 04:27 PM

Those w/ lug holes.....they're now gone

Andelain · 13 March 2012, 07:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. Robert

Those w/ lug holes.....they're now gone

I just got jumped on in another thread for referring to my lug-holed GMT as "1989 vintage", as a way of giving it's age. Much like the bottle of wine in my fridge is a 2004 vintage. Although my wording was correct, I'm led to believe a watch has to be 25 or more years old to be considered vintage.

dddrees · 13 March 2012, 07:31 PM

I think a good number would say it would have to have an acrylic crystal.

Eventually this criteria would have to change.

Runnin' Rebel · 13 March 2012, 07:45 PM

Thanks everyone

moviefreak · 13 March 2012, 09:02 PM

Sure it is vintage when Rolex sends you a letter saying that they can not service it anymore.. Because they don't have more spare parts..

DDG · 13 March 2012, 11:27 PM

non-quick set?

Keeperoftime · 13 March 2012, 11:40 PM

Essentially: 20-25 years old +
As far as Rolex goes: Watches with acrylic crystals, tritium (luminescent material),Pie-pan dials, Matte Dials with Patina (The toning of tritium/radium markers)

Pictures speak a thousand words...

Still don't 100% get it? Me neither, I learn something "New" (Old) everyday. Why do some prefer vintage? One word "Charm".

-Jeremy

joe100 · 13 March 2012, 11:43 PM

I do t think one can classify it broadly. Anything with plastic sure, but it's easier to take it line by line.

Goiguidoc · 14 March 2012, 02:32 AM

IMHO when a watch is no longer produced it becomes vintage.
This of course doesn't apply to cars...
It shouldn't be a question of holes, plexi or year.
The Patrizzi daytona is a good example.

Scary Hat · 14 March 2012, 04:37 AM

This is the difficulty in applying what is essentially a wine adjective to a watch.

Reasonable people can differ, but remember that the term is ever changing.
For example, an "antique" is generally viewed as something at least a hundred years old.
I believe what qualifies something as "vintage" is if it is at least 30 years old.
Thus, some of the watches we are buying new today will one day be vintage watches, with no holes, and sapphire crystals.

ayres · 14 March 2012, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by moviefreak

Sure it is vintage when Rolex sends you a letter saying that they can not service it anymore.. Because they don't have more spare parts..

ha! yeah, actually a watch becomes vintage when its service cost increases!

GradyPhilpott · 15 March 2012, 12:06 AM

Vintage used as an adjective as defined by Merriam-Webster.

Definition of VINTAGE

1 of wine : of, relating to, or produced in a particular vintage

2: of old, recognized, and enduring interest, importance, or quality : classic

3 a : dating from the past : old
b : outmoded, old-fashioned

4: of the best and most characteristic —used with a proper noun <vintage Shaw: a wise and winning comedy — Time

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vintage

gt0279a · 16 March 2012, 07:39 AM

I think it's hard to put a set year or timeframe on it.

With respect to the a specific model, like the Sub, obviously the 1680 is considered vintage.

But I think the 16800 and early 16610s can be as well when you consider details like matte or gloss tritium dials with patina, lug holes, open date fonts, faded aluminum bezel inserts and non-sel bracelets.

They are so far different than the modern offering, aside from the movement.

13 March 2012, 02:29 PM	#1
Runnin' Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Mark Location: 🤔 Posts: 8,424	Vintage, what makes it that Is it how old it is, reference number, not produced anymore ? Is my GMT Serti Root Beer from '95 almost vintage ? Sorry ran a search and couldn't find anything Thx Mark __________________ ♛

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rad87gn "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Chad Location: Des Moines, Iowa Watch: Rolex, PAM, Omega Posts: 1,607	Vintage are the ones with plastic crystals. __________________ Rolex P-Series SS GMT II Black, Rolex Y-Series Sea-Dweller, Rolex F-Series TT Blue Sub, Rolex F-Series Sub LV, Rolex D-Series Ladies SS/WG DJ for wife, Panerai K-Series PAM 112, Omega Speedmaster Pro 3570.50, Omega Seamaster 300M Chrono 2594.52

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horseco "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Anthony Location: North Jersey Watch: Daytona 116528 Posts: 3,426	Maybe the vintage section would be a better place to ask???

13 March 2012, 03:21 PM	#4
ayres "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: honolulu Watch: whatever runs Posts: 551	actually, some vintage rolex can be fitted with a synthetic crystal... really, the best indicator in my eyes is the movement... vintage have a signature slower beat. so in the late seventies and early eighties, many of the references went to a faster beat. this is just one of many indicators. and all the indicators happened at different times. regardless, there is no exact, definitive date for all references to have made the jump from vintage to modern.

13 March 2012, 07:45 PM	#9
Runnin' Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Mark Location: 🤔 Posts: 8,424	Thanks everyone __________________ ♛

13 March 2012, 09:02 PM	#10
moviefreak "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: in my house... Posts: 5,524	Sure it is vintage when Rolex sends you a letter saying that they can not service it anymore.. Because they don't have more spare parts.. __________________ Cheers, Eduardo Be a WIS not a WUSS... and remove all the stickers..

13 March 2012, 11:27 PM	#11
DDG Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Dennis Garrett Location: Land of Oz Watch: Rolex Explorer II Posts: 405	non-quick set?

13 March 2012, 11:40 PM	#12
Keeperoftime "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Jeremy Location: Louisiana Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,732	Essentially: 20-25 years old + As far as Rolex goes: Watches with acrylic crystals, tritium (luminescent material),Pie-pan dials, Matte Dials with Patina (The toning of tritium/radium markers) Pictures speak a thousand words... Still don't 100% get it? Me neither, I learn something "New" (Old) everyday. Why do some prefer vintage? One word "Charm". -Jeremy __________________ As a man is, so he sees. As the eye is formed, such are its powers. William Blake

13 March 2012, 11:43 PM	#13
joe100 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Joe Location: New Mexico Watch: Explorer Posts: 12,840	I do t think one can classify it broadly. Anything with plastic sure, but it's easier to take it line by line. __________________ It's Espresso, not Expresso. Coffee is not a train in Italy. -TRF Member 6982-

14 March 2012, 02:32 AM	#14
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	IMHO when a watch is no longer produced it becomes vintage. This of course doesn't apply to cars... It shouldn't be a question of holes, plexi or year. The Patrizzi daytona is a good example.

14 March 2012, 04:37 AM	#15
Scary Hat "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: SF Bay Area Posts: 262	This is the difficulty in applying what is essentially a wine adjective to a watch. Reasonable people can differ, but remember that the term is ever changing. For example, an "antique" is generally viewed as something at least a hundred years old. I believe what qualifies something as "vintage" is if it is at least 30 years old. Thus, some of the watches we are buying new today will one day be vintage watches, with no holes, and sapphire crystals.

15 March 2012, 12:06 AM	#17
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	Vintage used as an adjective as defined by Merriam-Webster. Definition of VINTAGE 1 of wine : of, relating to, or produced in a particular vintage 2: of old, recognized, and enduring interest, importance, or quality : classic 3 a : dating from the past : old b : outmoded, old-fashioned 4: of the best and most characteristic —used with a proper noun <vintage Shaw: a wise and winning comedy — Time http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vintage __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

16 March 2012, 07:39 AM	#18
gt0279a "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: Steve Location: Georgia Watch: All of them Posts: 579	I think it's hard to put a set year or timeframe on it. With respect to the a specific model, like the Sub, obviously the 1680 is considered vintage. But I think the 16800 and early 16610s can be as well when you consider details like matte or gloss tritium dials with patina, lug holes, open date fonts, faded aluminum bezel inserts and non-sel bracelets. They are so far different than the modern offering, aside from the movement.

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