Did I get burned??!

[Altair]

Being a noobie I think I might have gotten burned due to inexperience,

Here is the story, I went to see my AD a week ago, I saw the Pepsi GMT II and licked it but decided to get the black bezel, he offered me 3900 USD on the Pepsi but said a new shipment is coming and that he would call me as soon as the Black was in stock. Sure enough two days later he calls and Igo in and fall in love with the black bezel, he said it was 4650 USD, when I asked about the price difference he said it was because the black had a new movement???!!!!!

They are both the old GMT II with red arrows, did I get duped?

[Altair]

I should also say that the one I have now has the code 16710 and the new hidden buckle design, the other one had the more familiar Rolex design with the double middle chains and no hidden buckle.

[txrob779]

Correct....the Pepsi was the older version of the GMTII, The New GMTII has a green GMT hand and a Green GMT MASTER II font, triplock crown and the awsome ceramic bezel. That is your differance in price. IMO both are great, that Pepsi bezel,,mmmm sweeet you can see it from 30ft.

[Altair]

Sorry if I was not clear, both have the red arrow and non ceramic bezel, Here is a pic of the one I got:




Also some strange thing I just discovered, my Rolex box came with a Daytona instruction booklet, the guy didnt charge me for a Daytona did he? I am going back tomorow for sure now but any info regarding versions of the GMT II with red arrow are apreciated.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by Altair

Sorry if I was not clear, both have the red arrow and non ceramic bezel, Here is a pic of the one I got:

Also some strange thing I just discovered, my Rolex box came with a Daytona instruction booklet, the guy didnt charge me for a Daytona did he? I am going back tomorow for sure now but any info regarding versions of the GMT II with red arrow are apreciated.

Altair,
Any older GMT ref 16710 has the 3185 movement...There is no different movement fitted to these watches.. The MSRP is $5075 USD

As far as what was in the box, that is up to the AD to pack properly..they are shipped from Rolex without a box.

As far as price, 3900USD would have been a steal....4650USD is a pretty good price and is ~9% discount.

[Altair]

[Kris]

You didn't get a Daytona, that's for sure. Daytona's run from $13000 and upwards and are a different model all together.

You got the basic old model version of the GMT II with a black bezel. The Pepsi bezel is EXACTLY the same as the black one you have except the bezel insert is half red and half blue. How your AD can justify asking you to spend $700 more just for a different colour bezel is mind boggling!!!!! In fact, I've heard of TRF'er's here who have a GMT II and then bought the different versions of the bezel-inserts from their AD's for no less than $100 per bezel-insert!!!

The only reason I can see him selling the black for more is that the black is a brand new "Z-series" watch whereas that Pepsi bezel was old stock that had been sitting in his showcase for at least a year or so and had been purchased at a lower price way back then. If your black GMT II is indeed the new stock version, the first letter in the serial number should start with the letter "Z".

I'd say, get the Pepsi one for $3900 and then spend an extra $100 and get the black bezel insert and have the AD install it.

I don't know why he would not give you a box with the GMT II manual. This AD of your's sounds disorganized! Check that the box he gave you the watch in matches the model number of the GMT II. Could be he put your GMT II into a box that should have went with a Daytona. This is worthwhile to discuss with him/her. Don't be afraid. After all, you spent good coin on this watch that there should be ZERO f$%k-ups on the transaction.

[Altair]

OK I am riled up again, will have a conversation with him and get back to you with my findings.

[Paulie]

Originally Posted by Altair

OK I am riled up again, will have a conversation with him and get back to you with my findings.

While my watch is getting serviced at Rolex this week, they are replacing the bezel for $51 USD.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

The price should DEFINATELY be the same!

[steve-o]

Originally Posted by Altair

OK I am riled up again, will have a conversation with him and get back to you with my findings.

If he says "I will fix it no problem for you my friend, inshallah," consider the deal closed and over with.

Remember that their culture will gladly say yes in a business proposal, but will be very reluctant to say no...they just will waffle along saying "inshallah" for days and days until you get their meaning on your own.

Good luck.

Steve-O
Lived in Bahrain for a year...and I got Inshallah'd a lot


(Inshallah literal translation: Allah Willing)

[WWOODDYY74]

[QUOTE=steve-o;305207]If he says "I will fix it no problem for you my friend, inshallah," consider the deal closed and over with.

You are too funny there Steve-O, I see you took some Iraqi language classes while in the desert. I worked with them everyday, and this was a favorite saying. As I'm sure you are already aware. Where were you located in Iraq, what command??

[Altair]

Originally Posted by steve-o

If he says "I will fix it no problem for you my friend, inshallah," consider the deal closed and over with.

Remember that their culture will gladly say yes in a business proposal, but will be very reluctant to say no...they just will waffle along saying "inshallah" for days and days until you get their meaning on your own.

Good luck.

Steve-O
Lived in Bahrain for a year...and I got Inshallah'd a lot


(Inshallah literal translation: Allah Willing)

Thanks for the info, but their culture is mine as I am a local.

I called them and they asked me to drop by when the manager is there tommorow to see about the price, it seems the Pepsi were priced to move as they couldnt sell any at a regular discount.

Inshallah,
Ahmed.

[Remember2]

That one looks like the GMTII 16710 - it costs the same, regardless of bezel color...

Fantastic watch btw - I just sold my simular 16700, also black bezel.

[DaveN]

Sorry to say, no "new" movement. The new movement is in the new ceramic GMT II models.

[Altair]

I suppose he just charges alot more for the black bezel then since I dont know ANYone who want the Pepsi over here, local tastes do vary. Thank you for putting my mind at ease about that and the box. Back to loving my GMT II!!!


Anybody else wear out his cleaning cloth yet??? LOL

[colemanitis]

Yeah, give him a call. The black bezel and pepsi bezel GMTs are identicle, besides bezel color, of course.

[Welshwatchman]

The dealer lied to you, unfortunately.

That gives you the moral high ground.

Sort him out, I say.

[ldmarcht]

To All;

Just bought a 16710 last Friday. It came boxed with an instruction booklet for the new ceramic bezel model AND was labled by Rolex as a 16710B! What does that mean?

Also, it has a misprinted dial, confirmed here in Arizona by two other AD's as being one of about 300 units shipped by Rolex with the roman numeral II printed without serifs so that it looks like " ll " and not " II "

I love the watch, planned this purchase for a long time and got a 5% discount to boot.

Has anyone else heard about the "sans serif" printing mistake? BTW, I know where there is another one like this for sale....

[Stef_Call]

[quote=ldmarcht;305409]To All;

It came boxed with an instruction booklet for the new ceramic bezel model AND was labled by Rolex as a 16710B! What does that mean?
quote]

I didnt know there was an updated booklet for the new GMT Ceramic 116710.. When I got mine in July it came with the old booklet from the 16710.

[mike]

[QUOTE=Stef_Call;305418]

Originally Posted by ldmarcht

To All;

It came boxed with an instruction booklet for the new ceramic bezel model AND was labled by Rolex as a 16710B! What does that mean?
quote]

I didnt know there was an updated booklet for the new GMT Ceramic 116710.. When I got mine in July it came with the old booklet from the 16710.

It's my understanding Rolex has released a new GMT manual. Previously the 116710 came with the old 16710 booklet. Typical Rolex to use up old stock before issuing new.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by ldmarcht

..
Just bought a 16710 last Friday. It came boxed with an instruction booklet for the new ceramic bezel model AND was labled by Rolex as a 16710B! What does that mean?

Also, it has a misprinted dial, confirmed here in Arizona by two other AD's as being one of about 300 units shipped by Rolex with the roman numeral II printed without serifs so that it looks like " ll " and not " II "
..
Has anyone else heard about the "sans serif" printing mistake? BTW, I know where there is another one like this for sale....

Good for you....16710B should be a black bezel.. 16710BU would be black/red..

As for the "misprinted dials" your Arizona AD's are full of

[mike]

Originally Posted by Tools

Good for you....16710B should be a black bezel.. 16710BU would be black/red..

As for the "misprinted dials" your Arizona AD's are full of

LOL! Well said Larry! I got a call yesterday from an AD telling me there had been a "mistake" with the 116710 and 500 had been released with the ll dial.

[Paulie]

Originally Posted by Tools

Good for you....16710B should be a black bezel.. 16710BU would be black/red..

My receipt from the RSC says my GMTII is a 16710LN with black insert. What is "LN" if "B" is black?

[Mrdi]

Correct Tools,
In my social circle flaunting is considered bad taste.
Subtle is considered good taste.
A platinum watch would be preferred over a Yella Gold un.
And quiet understated function, as in the Exp., the most
elegant statement of all.

[SSD]

Originally Posted by Mrdi

Correct Tools,
In my social circle flaunting is considered bad taste.
Subtle is considered good taste.
A platinum watch would be preferred over a Yella Gold un.
And quiet understated function, as in the Exp., the most
elegant statement of all.

Couldn't possibly agree more

[ldmarcht]

This is fun. The watch I bought is a pepsi bezel so I guess the "B" is wrong. I'll post a photo of the goobered numeral ll

[mike]

A comparison...Photo credit HANNES,

[Altair]

Thats a beutifull watch there Mike, no disrespect for you Pepsi People, just saying what some people think. I am just glad Rolex has been kind to us all and alowes us to choose what we see best.

[mike]

Originally Posted by Altair

Thats a beutifull watch there Mike, no disrespect for you Pepsi People, just saying what some people think. I am just glad Rolex has been kind to us all and alowes us to choose what we see best.

LOL! None taken my friend. I love em all!!