Rolex 6036 "J L Killy" watch 18k gold

[HB2000]

I'm a new in this forum. Here is a vintage Rolex 6036
Case Number: 847142

Let me know for your opinions

Thank you in advence

[Michael M.]

Sorry, looks like a franken parts watch, so basically fake. Sorry.

[Keeperoftime]

Very interesting.
Do you own this piece?

P.S Welcome to TRF!

[HB2000]

Yes I'm the owner

[Faridnik]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

Sorry, looks like a franken parts watch, so basically fake. Sorry.

Care to qualify your statement?

[jerseyden]

Not seen that particular dial before, and one of the bridges may not be original, but what do I know? Wouldn't say it was fake, although I believe there are a few around.

[HB2000]

Thank you for your answers

[Michael M.]

Originally Posted by Faridnik

Care to qualify your statement?

Sure, the movement has some hallmarks and engravings that are not native to any Rolex movement. Also, the dial is a poor redial.

[harry in montreal]

are you saying that the true rolex movements do not have the two visible hallmarks under the balance ? i am just curious... one looks like 72c and the other is valjoux (? a guess)

[Michael M.]

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

are you saying that the true rolex movements do not have the two visible hallmarks under the balance ? i am just curious... one looks like 72c and the other is valjoux (? a guess)

Not quite, they just aren't the correct hallmarks.

[harry in montreal]

if you know of a link to the correct ones, please post it.

i and many others would love to see what you mean and learn from this.

[oinkitt]

There is definatly something wrong here!!!

Firstly lets look at the case = its either been polished to the shithouse or someone had sandpaper cuffs on their shirt... and considering the "crispness" of the case numbers this should be the first red flag!!! Even if this case was the real McCoy the condition would deter any serious collector from purchasing it.

The dial - I dont like it... look at the 9s in 9, 19, and 29... all slightly different.

The movement - I happen to be wearing my RG version today so I had a look - the Valjoux "logo" and the 72c under the balance is correct however the movement is missing other key ingravings.

[oinkitt]

I believe Stefano Mazziarol wrote a very good overview of the Rolex triple date cronos in his blog some time ago... one could google that if one wanted more info.


Here is the link :

http://stefanomazzariol.blogspot.com...h?q=rolex+6036

[Mike Wood]

The Rolex "Jean Claude Killy" is a frequently faked watch, and passing judgment on a watch from pictures is not always fair.

The dial and calendar wheels are obviously repainted, but this doesn't automatically mean a fake. The case is very heavily polished and has lost its profile and definition. The caseback knurling is poor.

The engraved markings inside the caseback are in poor condition, and would require close scrutiny and comparison with other examples.

The model ref. and case number between the lugs are both re-engraved. The serial number is correct for being from a "batch" of Rolex JCKs (my own steel JCK is less than 100 case numbers away). A screw-down Rolex winding crown would probably not be original for this watch, it would probably have started life with a non-screw down Super-Oyster winder.

The Rolex JCK 6036 is fitted with the 17 jewel Valjoux cal. 72C, so the markings under the balance are correct, as is the Rolex signature on the bridge.

I would want to know the history of this watch, but the provenance of a 60 year old Rolex can be difficult to obtain.

I cannot give a definitive answer, sorry, but I personally would not put my money into this watch.

MW

[Silvio Mosiello]

Originally Posted by Mike Wood

The Rolex "Jean Claude Killy" is a frequently faked watch, and passing judgment on a watch from pictures is not always fair.

The dial and calendar wheels are obviously repainted, but this doesn't automatically mean a fake. The case is very heavily polished and has lost its profile and definition. The caseback knurling is poor.

The engraved markings inside the caseback are in poor condition, and would require close scrutiny and comparison with other examples.

The model ref. and case number between the lugs are both re-engraved. The serial number is correct for being from a "batch" of Rolex JCKs (my own steel JCK is less than 100 case numbers away). A screw-down Rolex winding crown would probably not be original for this watch, it would probably have started life with a non-screw down Super-Oyster winder.

The Rolex JCK 6036 is fitted with the 17 jewel Valjoux cal. 72C, so the markings under the balance are correct, as is the Rolex signature on the bridge.

I would want to know the history of this watch, but the provenance of a 60 year old Rolex can be difficult to obtain.

I cannot give a definitive answer, sorry, but I personally would not put my money into this watch.

MW

OP Id listen to that guy. Look at his collection and you'll know why. Welcome to TRF btw!

[Kingair]

Originally Posted by Silvio Mosiello

OP Id listen to that guy. Look at his collection and you'll know why. Welcome to TRF btw!

x 2 . . .

Great info Mike !

HAGOne

[Philipp]

Originally Posted by Mike Wood

The Rolex "Jean Claude Killy" is a frequently faked watch, and passing judgment on a watch from pictures is not always fair.

The dial and calendar wheels are obviously repainted, but this doesn't automatically mean a fake. The case is very heavily polished and has lost its profile and definition. The caseback knurling is poor.

The engraved markings inside the caseback are in poor condition, and would require close scrutiny and comparison with other examples.

The model ref. and case number between the lugs are both re-engraved. The serial number is correct for being from a "batch" of Rolex JCKs (my own steel JCK is less than 100 case numbers away). A screw-down Rolex winding crown would probably not be original for this watch, it would probably have started life with a non-screw down Super-Oyster winder.

The Rolex JCK 6036 is fitted with the 17 jewel Valjoux cal. 72C, so the markings under the balance are correct, as is the Rolex signature on the bridge.

I would want to know the history of this watch, but the provenance of a 60 year old Rolex can be difficult to obtain.

I cannot give a definitive answer, sorry, but I personally would not put my money into this watch.

MW

It's all fake, Mike!

Cheers! Rgrds.Philipp

[Mike Wood]

Originally Posted by Philipp

It's all fake, Mike!

Cheers! Rgrds.Philipp

I must be wearing my "rose tinted spectacles" and trying to look for the good in this watch..!

[FremStar]

Originally Posted by Michael M.

Sorry, looks like a franken parts watch, so basically fake. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Philipp

It's all fake, Mike!

Cheers! Rgrds.Philipp

There is your answer OP! We have some of the sharpest gents on TRF bar none!

[Kingair]

Originally Posted by FremStar

There is your answer OP! We have some of the sharpest gents on TRF bar none!

x 2 !

Now you know what's going on ;-)

HAGOne

[oinkitt]

Originally Posted by Mike Wood

I must be wearing my "rose tinted spectacles" and trying to look for the good in this watch..!

I think we have all fallen into the "hole" at one time or another.

When I look at a watch I have found it best to try and prove its a fake - If I cant come up with enough evidence to support that argument chances are its the "real Mc Coy".

[Philipp]

Check the Killy Story here:

http://rolexpassionreport.com/7677/j...-rolex-killys/

[HB2000]

Thanks for all answers.

All the best!

[Wacker23]

Someone is gonna make some fakey money on ebay soon.

[Lol-x]

Scammer...............

[cajunron]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Scammer...............

Get 'em boss!

[scocope]

Lol-x could you please fill us in on what happened today in regards to the determination that HB2000 is a scammer, instead of someone who was scammed (or maybe both)? My guess would be that he tried to sell the POS instead of placing it on a train track to make some modern art with it.

[mrbill2mrbill2]

The plot thickens.