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upyoursebay · 2 November 2005, 10:25 PM

I have seen a few postings in UK and Germany in other Forums, but still no reply (answer) from anyone.
Yet, there are many books but they all give a partial story.
I know a lot about Hans Wilsdorf origin and his "career" (formation of Rolex) but I am becoming (like a few others it seems) interested in one small point of history.
Hans Wilsdorf had a brother and a sister. The sister was called Anna Wilsdorf and she was born in Kulmbach, Germany on 10-Sept.-1882.
I can assure you that there is no information on the Internet - hence, someone, may have the answer due to some research or paper work found.
The question is - Where and when did Anna Wilsdorf get married?
Thank you

padi56 · 2 November 2005, 11:04 PM

Rolex Founder Hans Wilsdorf was born 1881,he started his own watch company called Wilsdorf & Davis around 1906,Davis, his acquaintance later married Wilsdorf's sister around this time late 1906.And Hans Wilsdorf with his now brother-in-law Davis, first registered the name Rolex 1908.Not 100% sure where they got married,but think it was in England,because they moved back to Chaux-de-Fonds to register the Rolex name.Welcome to TRF by the
way we are all a very friendly bunch of guys

Rockrolex · 2 November 2005, 11:19 PM

Welcome to TRF. Glad you found us and I hope you enjoy your time here.

BTW, do you have a shorter user name we could use?

Baptistman · 3 November 2005, 12:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upyoursebay

I have seen a few postings in UK and Germany in other Forums, but still no reply (answer) from anyone.
Yet, there are many books but they all give a partial story.
I know a lot about Hans Wilsdorf origin and his "career" (formation of Rolex) but I am becoming (like a few others it seems) interested in one small point of history.
Hans Wilsdorf had a brother and a sister. The sister was called Anna Wilsdorf and she was born in Kulmbach, Germany on 10-Sept.-1882.
I can assure you that there is no information on the Internet - hence, someone, may have the answer due to some research or paper work found.
The question is - Where and when did Anna Wilsdorf get married?
Thank you

Hi Welcome, are you the same person who owns www.watchintime.com
and posted on turf

upyoursebay · 3 November 2005, 01:24 AM

No point hiding in cyber space - Yes, I am behind the site watchintime. How do you know, it is another issue (I am sure).
Thank you for kind words and thank you for brief history on good old Hans.

Good old Hans became British at the end of 1911. Earlier that year he married "an Englishwoman" that cannot be found on any record anywhere (apart the marriage certificate).
Paper work (from British police) points Hans entry to the UK in 1905.
Office were indeed in Hatton Gardens and Holborn and records start from 1905 up to almost 1920 for the company Wilsdorf and Davies (a company, by the way, that actually never existed as a limited company). Should anyone have any records, it would be nice to see them as Company House in UK doesn't have them.

Some records do point the marriage of Hans' sister (Anna) to a Alfred James Davis. Problem here, once again, there ARE NO RECORDS anywhere of Mr. Davis.

So, did Anna marry him or not? It was not in England (if it was, there are no records ?? ). Why would they marry elsewhere? Did Mr. Davis go to Switzerland to marry Anna? Indeed Rolex was registered in Switzerland in 1908 and in UK in 1912 - did Davis travelled a lot too?

Considering that Hans stayed always in very poor accomodations while in UK and all over the place (mainly in Kent) a more accurate understanding of who was Mr. Davis (assuming he was a real person) could be established by the "assertions" (in many books) that Anna married him. Once we know where and when they got married, we can finally find out who Mr. Davis really was.

I have spent 6 months researching the British Archives and, while a lot of nice and interesting information was found, there are a few loopholes in Hans early years.

I hope you share my enthusiasm and I think it is only fair for everyone to see and find out the whole truth.

Some of you may know the right people in the right places to come out with the right answers.

""PS - sorry for long user name, but I really cannot stand ebay !! ""

Uncle-AJ · 3 November 2005, 01:29 AM

Welcome upyours... that just doesn't sound right. Good luck with your research, maybe a genealogy site could help?

upyoursebay · 3 November 2005, 01:32 AM

upyoursebay · 3 November 2005, 01:33 AM

Thank you !

Uncle-AJ · 3 November 2005, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by upyoursebay

Thank you !

I was just trying to save typing...............it's such a long name. Maybe I'll use UYEB in future.

Rockrolex · 3 November 2005, 01:37 AM

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Originally Posted by upyoursebay

Thank you !

I don't have a real problem with your username. But is there some other nickname we could use in posts. Your username is too long for my lazy fingers to type.

upyoursebay · 3 November 2005, 01:39 AM

A shorter " upebay " looks good enough, straight to the point

As far as the message gets across, we'r doing fine !!

Rockrolex · 3 November 2005, 01:46 AM

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Originally Posted by upyoursebay

A shorter " upebay " looks good enough, straight to the point

As far as the message gets across, we'r doing fine !!

Ok. That will work.

upyoursebay · 3 November 2005, 01:48 AM

JR or MP - if you want / - Max is another choice or Wilds - as in wild for the Wilsdorf !!!

Is there - ANYWHERE - an actual chat site for watches ??? loads of Forums, but what about chatting with others (like with UNCLE- AJ in Suadi, for example)

Rockrolex · 3 November 2005, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upyoursebay

JR or MP - if you want / - Max is another choice or Wilds - as in wild for the Wilsdorf !!!

Is there - ANYWHERE - an actual chat site for watches ??? loads of Forums, but what about chatting with others (like with UNCLE- AJ in Suadi, for example)

I like Max - henceforth you are annointed Max.

As for chat sites, I am not aware of any. We used to have a chat room here, but no one used it so it atrophied.

You can try PM'ing but I know that's not quite the same.

JJ Irani · 3 November 2005, 03:25 AM

Hiya Max,

First off a big welcome to this wonderful forum. Hope you enjoy your stay here.

Secondly, I don't really like your username, but I do admire it 'cause it shows the same animosity toward e-bay which I harbour....and that's a good thing - can't stand those ba$tards!!!

Anyway, have a great time on TRF.

Cheers - JJ

Gedanken · 3 November 2005, 07:02 AM

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Originally Posted by upyoursebay

Is there - ANYWHERE - an actual chat site for watches ??? loads of Forums, but what about chatting with others (like with UNCLE- AJ in Suadi, for example)

Welcome aboard, Max!

As for your query, there's just one word: SKYPE.

Uncle-AJ · 3 November 2005, 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by upyoursebay

JR or MP - if you want / - Max is another choice or Wilds - as in wild for the Wilsdorf !!!

Is there - ANYWHERE - an actual chat site for watches ??? loads of Forums, but what about chatting with others (like with UNCLE- AJ in Suadi, for example)

Do you want my phone number? We can chat as long as you pay the bills.

mailman · 3 November 2005, 09:18 AM

Glad to have you here Max

Pete26 · 3 November 2005, 07:13 PM

It's good to see you on the forum, but I agree that Upyours is kinda impolite to say to people.

2 November 2005, 10:25 PM	#1
upyoursebay Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	"REAL" information is needed on Wilsdorf family, please! I have seen a few postings in UK and Germany in other Forums, but still no reply (answer) from anyone. Yet, there are many books but they all give a partial story. I know a lot about Hans Wilsdorf origin and his "career" (formation of Rolex) but I am becoming (like a few others it seems) interested in one small point of history. Hans Wilsdorf had a brother and a sister. The sister was called Anna Wilsdorf and she was born in Kulmbach, Germany on 10-Sept.-1882. I can assure you that there is no information on the Internet - hence, someone, may have the answer due to some research or paper work found. The question is - Where and when did Anna Wilsdorf get married? Thank you

2 November 2005, 11:04 PM	#2
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,045	Rolex Founder Hans Wilsdorf was born 1881,he started his own watch company called Wilsdorf & Davis around 1906,Davis, his acquaintance later married Wilsdorf's sister around this time late 1906.And Hans Wilsdorf with his now brother-in-law Davis, first registered the name Rolex 1908.Not 100% sure where they got married,but think it was in England,because they moved back to Chaux-de-Fonds to register the Rolex name.Welcome to TRF by the way we are all a very friendly bunch of guys __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

2 November 2005, 11:19 PM	#3
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,955	Welcome to TRF. Glad you found us and I hope you enjoy your time here. BTW, do you have a shorter user name we could use? __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

3 November 2005, 01:24 AM	#5
upyoursebay Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	"news" move fast (ish) No point hiding in cyber space - Yes, I am behind the site watchintime. How do you know, it is another issue (I am sure). Thank you for kind words and thank you for brief history on good old Hans. Good old Hans became British at the end of 1911. Earlier that year he married "an Englishwoman" that cannot be found on any record anywhere (apart the marriage certificate). Paper work (from British police) points Hans entry to the UK in 1905. Office were indeed in Hatton Gardens and Holborn and records start from 1905 up to almost 1920 for the company Wilsdorf and Davies (a company, by the way, that actually never existed as a limited company). Should anyone have any records, it would be nice to see them as Company House in UK doesn't have them. Some records do point the marriage of Hans' sister (Anna) to a Alfred James Davis. Problem here, once again, there ARE NO RECORDS anywhere of Mr. Davis. So, did Anna marry him or not? It was not in England (if it was, there are no records ?? ). Why would they marry elsewhere? Did Mr. Davis go to Switzerland to marry Anna? Indeed Rolex was registered in Switzerland in 1908 and in UK in 1912 - did Davis travelled a lot too? Considering that Hans stayed always in very poor accomodations while in UK and all over the place (mainly in Kent) a more accurate understanding of who was Mr. Davis (assuming he was a real person) could be established by the "assertions" (in many books) that Anna married him. Once we know where and when they got married, we can finally find out who Mr. Davis really was. I have spent 6 months researching the British Archives and, while a lot of nice and interesting information was found, there are a few loopholes in Hans early years. I hope you share my enthusiasm and I think it is only fair for everyone to see and find out the whole truth. Some of you may know the right people in the right places to come out with the right answers. ""PS - sorry for long user name, but I really cannot stand ebay !! ""

3 November 2005, 01:29 AM	#6
Uncle-AJ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Real Name: Adrian Location: Bolton, UK. Watch: Daytona 116520 Posts: 6,844	Welcome upyours... that just doesn't sound right. Good luck with your research, maybe a genealogy site could help? __________________ A man with a watch knows what time it is. A man with two watches is never sure.........Segal's Law Member #10

3 November 2005, 01:32 AM	#7
upyoursebay Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	Did that ! Tried it - been there, still no results

3 November 2005, 01:33 AM	#8
upyoursebay Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	PS - it is more like upyours EBAY than just .... upyours !! Thank you !

3 November 2005, 01:39 AM	#11
upyoursebay Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	Thank you A shorter " upebay " looks good enough, straight to the point As far as the message gets across, we'r doing fine !!

3 November 2005, 01:48 AM	#13
upyoursebay Banned Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	The choice is yours really JR or MP - if you want / - Max is another choice or Wilds - as in wild for the Wilsdorf !!! Is there - ANYWHERE - an actual chat site for watches ??? loads of Forums, but what about chatting with others (like with UNCLE- AJ in Suadi, for example)

3 November 2005, 03:25 AM	#15
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Hiya Max, First off a big welcome to this wonderful forum. Hope you enjoy your stay here. Secondly, I don't really like your username, but I do admire it 'cause it shows the same animosity toward e-bay which I harbour....and that's a good thing - can't stand those ba$tards!!! Anyway, have a great time on TRF. Cheers - JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

3 November 2005, 09:18 AM	#18
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	Glad to have you here Max __________________ JJ

3 November 2005, 07:13 PM	#19
Pete26 Banned Join Date: Oct 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Australia Posts: 603	I'd like to say upyours... It's good to see you on the forum, but I agree that Upyours is kinda impolite to say to people.

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