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gslaskin · 23 May 2012, 11:49 AM

Took a risk and picked up a trashed Explorer I 14270. Got it today and it is really rough. The 14270 is spec'd at 36mm wide, but this one seems to measure out at closer to 35mm. Actually, I think it might be a fake. The local AD wants $150 for authentication. Any opinions here based on these admittedly terrible photos?

MoBe · 23 May 2012, 11:53 AM

Looks like the real deal to me.

Tools · 23 May 2012, 11:57 AM

I would want to look inside, but I don't see anything wrong based on these photos... One look at the movement will tell the tale, no need to spend 150 bucks...

I think that the Explorer has always been around 35mm, just like the DJ... depends on how you measure it..

gwalker · 23 May 2012, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by MoBe

Looks like the real deal to me.

X2. I'm no explorer expert but looks ok to me. Not to sound harsh but isn't it a little lat to worry about condition or if it's real. That should've bee addressed before purchase.

gslaskin · 23 May 2012, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gwalker

X2. I'm no explorer expert but looks ok to me. Not to sound harsh but isn't it a little lat to worry about condition or if it's real. That should've bee addressed before purchase.

Like I said, I took a risk.

dbphotos · 23 May 2012, 12:05 PM

$150 to open the case back? Ridiculous. This should be an opportunity to forge a new customer relationship. 2 minutes of his time will tell the tale.

Take the back off, post a photo here and all will be revealed. :-0

Chachabah · 23 May 2012, 12:05 PM

AD Should not be charging for authentication!

GradyPhilpott · 23 May 2012, 12:19 PM

My 114270 measure something short of 36mm.

It think the advertised diameter is nominal.

Oh, and it looks good to me, too!

ecsub44 · 23 May 2012, 12:28 PM

Awesome watch! Especially on nylon!

Congrats!

gslaskin · 23 May 2012, 12:54 PM

Assuming this watch is the real deal, I was thinking of sending it into the RSC for a complete service. Another option is just to keep it "as is" and use it as a beater. I stuck a Seiko bezel protector on it just to see how it would work. I had to clearance it slightly for the crown, and now it fits great. This could be a neat little "Stealth Rolex".

ecsub44 · 23 May 2012, 12:59 PM

Get that crap off of that watch NOW!!!

mitcht · 23 May 2012, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ecsub44

get that crap off of that watch now!!!

x2

Jassen2270 · 23 May 2012, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ecsub44

Get that crap off of that watch NOW!!!

that looks horrible.

HACKNSACK44 · 23 May 2012, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ecsub44

Get that crap off of that watch NOW!!!

x3

GradyPhilpott · 23 May 2012, 02:43 PM

Many may disagree, but every SS Oyster is a beater by virtue of its robust qualities.

You don't need to pamper your Explorer and you certainly don't need to put some gizmo over it to protect/disguise it.

What a lot of would like to see is a picture of the innards, if you could do so.

If authentic and so far there is no reason to believe that it isn't, what you have there is a little treasure in my humble opinion.

kyle L · 23 May 2012, 02:44 PM

Looks ok to me. Dial has some bubbling but no biggie, it would make a nice daily wearer.

up2nogood · 23 May 2012, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by gslaskin

I stuck a Seiko bezel protector on it just to see how it would work. I had to clearance it slightly for the crown, and now it fits great. This could be a neat little "Stealth Rolex".

Dude, when there's a knock at the door, let them in. It's a little bit of help we collectively sent over.....

ddnyc77 · 23 May 2012, 03:26 PM

Doesn't look "junky" to me. The only thing that looks junky is that bezel protector.

ArcticMoose · 23 May 2012, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chachabah

AD Should not be charging for authentication!

I've never been able to understand this logic. If a watch needs authentication it has not been purchased at an AD, which of course means no sale for the AD. Why would they provide a free service to someone they can't make any money off? Now if the customer has purchased a number of watches there before it would be a different matter, but I have a feeling that is not normally the case.

capote · 23 May 2012, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by gslaskin

Do you plan to walk around with that rubber bezel thing?

Jolu · 23 May 2012, 04:15 PM

No need to spend $150 for authentification if you plan on having it serviced. Send it to the nearest RSC - if it's genuine they'll do it, if not they won't.

Porsche · 23 May 2012, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by up2nogood

Dude, when there's a knock at the door, let them in. It's a little bit of help we collectively sent over.....

Yes, we'll be wearing white coats!!!
to take you away ha ha

93 Turbo · 23 May 2012, 04:55 PM

Nice watch you have there, can't say the same about that bezel protector thing...

acce1999 · 23 May 2012, 05:03 PM

Looks real to me. The bezel diameter on the 14270 is exactly 35mm, although the case is advertised as 36mm. (Same middle case as the DJ 162XX). Funnily enough, the bezel diameter on the DJ 162XX is exactly 34,5mm (I have both those models, and have measured them).

You have gotten one of the first non-blacked out dials, and a case with drilled through lug holes. The dial seems to have some bubbling (that might indicate that the watch have had moisture inside).

If you can have it opened it will be easy to verify it. It should have caliber 3000. The dial, and the font of the serial and model number looks ok to me. (I am comparing with my 14270, that is just a few years younger).

The watch is obviously well used, but the case maintains the original shape (not over polished, if at all). That is good.

Give it a service, and enjoy it on a Nato strap - or add a 78360 bracelet with 558 end links for the original set up. Make sure NOT to change the dial/hands, since the early 14270 should have an all tritium set up (IMHO).

Best,

A

Timber Loftis · 23 May 2012, 05:16 PM

Looks real. De-junkify it.

travisb · 23 May 2012, 07:01 PM

Can you please take the toyish rubber bezel thing off?

HERITAGE82 · 23 May 2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by gslaskin

dddrees · 23 May 2012, 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jolu

No need to spend $150 for authentification if you plan on having it serviced. Send it to the nearest RSC - if it's genuine they'll do it, if not they won't.

If you pay the AD to conduct the service and they have a watchmaker on staff they will authenicate it as well.

In fact ask them to crack it open when you turn it in so you can get your peace of mind that day.

Nice looking watch.

gslaskin · 23 May 2012, 11:12 PM

I figured that bezel protector would get some passionate responses. :)

I was thinking of sending the watch into an RSC for a full service and having the dial replaced. I am a bit surprised at the suggestion that I should keep the original dial, which is obviously quite damaged.

Any other views on this?

Thanks.

azguy · 23 May 2012, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by gslaskin

I was thinking of sending the watch into an RSC for a full service and having the dial replaced. I am a bit surprised at the suggestion that I should keep the original dial, which is obviously quite damaged.

Keep the dial, very cool looking. I think you did great on that watch. If it's keeping good time just wear it without a service right now.

Find someone local to pull the watch back IMHO

23 May 2012, 11:49 AM	#1
gslaskin Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Minnesota, USA Posts: 429	Junky Little Rolex (?) Took a risk and picked up a trashed Explorer I 14270. Got it today and it is really rough. The 14270 is spec'd at 36mm wide, but this one seems to measure out at closer to 35mm. Actually, I think it might be a fake. The local AD wants $150 for authentication. Any opinions here based on these admittedly terrible photos?

23 May 2012, 11:57 AM	#3
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	I would want to look inside, but I don't see anything wrong based on these photos... One look at the movement will tell the tale, no need to spend 150 bucks... I think that the Explorer has always been around 35mm, just like the DJ... depends on how you measure it.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

23 May 2012, 12:05 PM	#6
dbphotos "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: David Location: Texas Watch: your 6! Posts: 898	$150 to open the case back? Ridiculous. This should be an opportunity to forge a new customer relationship. 2 minutes of his time will tell the tale. Take the back off, post a photo here and all will be revealed. :-0 __________________ www.DavidBailey.com Rolex DD YG 18238 \| Rolex 1675 Pepsi \| Rolex 14060 \| Rolex Vintage 6694 \| Rolex TT 16013 \| Tudor Tiger 79280P on Shark strap \| a whole bunch of misc watches

23 May 2012, 12:19 PM	#8
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	My 114270 measure something short of 36mm. It think the advertised diameter is nominal. Oh, and it looks good to me, too! __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

23 May 2012, 12:28 PM	#9
ecsub44 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: US Watch: Sub Posts: 3,175	Awesome watch! Especially on nylon! Congrats! __________________ *侘寂 -- wabi-sabi --* acceptance of transience and imperfection by finding beauty in that which is imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete Commissioner of WEIRD POLICE , Badge # ecsub44

23 May 2012, 11:53 AM	#2
MoBe "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 6,773	Looks like the real deal to me.

23 May 2012, 12:05 PM	#7
Chachabah 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Medford, NY Watch: Datejust 126331 Posts: 129	AD Should not be charging for authentication!

23 May 2012, 12:54 PM	#10
gslaskin Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Minnesota, USA Posts: 429	Assuming this watch is the real deal, I was thinking of sending it into the RSC for a complete service. Another option is just to keep it "as is" and use it as a beater. I stuck a Seiko bezel protector on it just to see how it would work. I had to clearance it slightly for the crown, and now it fits great. This could be a neat little "Stealth Rolex".

23 May 2012, 12:59 PM	#11
ecsub44 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: US Watch: Sub Posts: 3,175	Get that crap off of that watch NOW!!! __________________ *侘寂 -- wabi-sabi --* acceptance of transience and imperfection by finding beauty in that which is imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete Commissioner of WEIRD POLICE , Badge # ecsub44

23 May 2012, 02:43 PM	#15
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK050 Posts: 34,460	Many may disagree, but every SS Oyster is a beater by virtue of its robust qualities. You don't need to pamper your Explorer and you certainly don't need to put some gizmo over it to protect/disguise it. What a lot of would like to see is a picture of the innards, if you could do so. If authentic and so far there is no reason to believe that it isn't, what you have there is a little treasure in my humble opinion. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

23 May 2012, 02:44 PM	#16
kyle L "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Watch: Rolex Explorer I Posts: 10,278	Looks ok to me. Dial has some bubbling but no biggie, it would make a nice daily wearer.

23 May 2012, 03:26 PM	#18
ddnyc77 Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: nyc Posts: 425	Doesn't look "junky" to me. The only thing that looks junky is that bezel protector.

23 May 2012, 04:15 PM	#21
Jolu "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Jo Location: Norway Watch: Explorer I/II Posts: 660	No need to spend $150 for authentification if you plan on having it serviced. Send it to the nearest RSC - if it's genuine they'll do it, if not they won't. __________________ “I have never been lost, but I will admit to being confused for several weeks” - Daniel Boone -

23 May 2012, 04:55 PM	#23
93 Turbo 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Australia Watch: Rolex.Tudor.PAM Posts: 1,554	Nice watch you have there, can't say the same about that bezel protector thing...

23 May 2012, 05:03 PM	#24
acce1999 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: GMT+1 Posts: 2,711	Looks real to me. The bezel diameter on the 14270 is exactly 35mm, although the case is advertised as 36mm. (Same middle case as the DJ 162XX). Funnily enough, the bezel diameter on the DJ 162XX is exactly 34,5mm (I have both those models, and have measured them). You have gotten one of the first non-blacked out dials, and a case with drilled through lug holes. The dial seems to have some bubbling (that might indicate that the watch have had moisture inside). If you can have it opened it will be easy to verify it. It should have caliber 3000. The dial, and the font of the serial and model number looks ok to me. (I am comparing with my 14270, that is just a few years younger). The watch is obviously well used, but the case maintains the original shape (not over polished, if at all). That is good. Give it a service, and enjoy it on a Nato strap - or add a 78360 bracelet with 558 end links for the original set up. Make sure NOT to change the dial/hands, since the early 14270 should have an all tritium set up (IMHO). Best, A

23 May 2012, 05:16 PM	#25
Timber Loftis "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Jon Location: Chicago Watch: IIc,DJII,P244,A1-Z Posts: 2,857	Looks real. De-junkify it.

23 May 2012, 07:01 PM	#26
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,489	Looks like the real deal based on just the pics. Can you please take the toyish rubber bezel thing off?

23 May 2012, 11:12 PM	#29
gslaskin Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Minnesota, USA Posts: 429	I figured that bezel protector would get some passionate responses. :) I was thinking of sending the watch into an RSC for a full service and having the dial replaced. I am a bit surprised at the suggestion that I should keep the original dial, which is obviously quite damaged. Any other views on this? Thanks.

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