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Engi · 30 August 2012, 12:47 AM

Hi all,
I'm monitoring several watch fora (also here in Italy) and it seems, at least to me, that, after an initial general consensus, now the interest (and the relevant sales) about the new Tudor Black Bay is going down.

Is this just my personal impression or have you the same feeling ?

TIA and

,

Engi

Canadianjam2 · 30 August 2012, 12:48 AM

No it is a great watch and Tudor has now carved themselves a niche with their new "heritage" lines of products.

Dan Pierce · 30 August 2012, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Canadianjam2

No it is a great watch and Tudor has now carved themselves a niche with their new "heritage" lines of products.

Not sure that's what Engi meant. There's a natural ebb and flow to the fever level during the unveiling and then subsequent initial sales of a newly released reference. I'm sure my friend Engi would agree with your assessment. However, the prices and enthusiasm will start to fall and eventually level out. It's probably already starting to happen due to the increased availability. All part of the natural process.
dP

gwalker · 30 August 2012, 01:11 AM

I think it has gone down a little because most of those that really had to have the BB have acquired one by now. I think it's an interesting piece but I'm not sure if I like it. I won't ever have one though. The no date and "fake" patina just doesn't do it for me. Now I LOVE the Pelagos. I might have to get one in the future.

Engi · 30 August 2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Not sure that's what Engi meant. There's a natural ebb and flow to the fever level during the unveiling and then subsequent initial sales of a newly released reference. I'm sure my friend Engi would agree with your assessment. However, the prices and enthusiasm will start to fall and eventually level out. It's probably already starting to happen due to the increased availability. All part of the natural process.
dP

Yes, Dan is right. Maybe also the not so brilliant general economic condition plays a role ...

Ciao

Engi

Johny · 30 August 2012, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by gwalker

I think it has gone down a little because most of those that really had to have the BB have acquired one by now. I think it's an interesting piece but I'm not sure if I like it. I won't ever have one though. The no date and "fake" patina just doesn't do it for me. Now I LOVE the Pelagos. I might have to get one in the future.

hi where is the "fake" patina on the watch? it all looks brand new to me. thanks.

kilyung · 30 August 2012, 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny

hi where is the "fake" patina on the watch? it all looks brand new to me. thanks.

He's referring to the lume and gilt dial.

Canadianjam2 · 30 August 2012, 01:42 AM

Its not fake patina....

Johny · 30 August 2012, 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

He's referring to the lume and dial print colors.

so what is "fake" about them?

kilyung · 30 August 2012, 01:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny

so what is "fake" about them?

I don't believe Gunter is saying it's fake in a denigrating meaning. Rather, he's not a fan of the vintage look. There's no denying the BB caters to a historic style.

gwalker · 30 August 2012, 01:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny

so what is "fake" about them?

It's made to look like a vintage watch that the dial has aged. Because this wasn't a natural process and Tudor made it to look old is why I call it fake patina.

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Originally Posted by kilyung

I don't believe Gunter is saying it's fake in a denigrating meaning. Rather, he's not a fan of the vintage look. There's no denying the BB caters to a historic style.

Bingo Mike. I didn't mean it in a negative way. I totally understand why it appeals to so many too. I'm just a modern watch fan.

Johny · 30 August 2012, 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by gwalker

It's made to look like a vintage watch that the dial has aged. Because this wasn't a natural process and Tudor made it to look old is why I call it fake patina.

is this what tudor have stated?

Johny · 30 August 2012, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

I don't believe Gunter is saying it's fake in a denigrating meaning. Rather, he's not a fan of the vintage look. There's no denying the BB caters to a historic style.

isnt "fake" patina used to decieve?

kilyung · 30 August 2012, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny

is this what tudor have stated?

Yup. From Tudor website:

GENEROUS LUMINESCENCE

The elegantly domed black dial displays generous luminescent hour markers for perfect visibility. The pink gold of the hands represent a gentle hint of nostalgia, suggesting the characteristic patina of older timepieces.

kilyung · 30 August 2012, 02:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny

isnt "fake" patina used to decieve?

No, don't get hung up on the word "fake".

chillviper · 30 August 2012, 02:00 AM

Definitely looking to pick one up. Planning a trip to CA to try some Tudor's on, Montreal perhaps.

Johny · 30 August 2012, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

Yup. From Tudor website:

GENEROUS LUMINESCENCE

The elegantly domed black dial displays generous luminescent hour markers for perfect visibility. The pink gold of the hands represent a gentle hint of nostalgia, suggesting the characteristic patina of older timepieces.

nothing about "fake" patina on the dial. pink gold being used to suggest but does not say used to "fake"

kilyung · 30 August 2012, 02:01 AM

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Originally Posted by chillviper

Definitely looking to pick one up. Planning a trip to CA to try some Tudor's on, Montreal perhaps.

Might have better luck in Toronto... Bigger AD.

gwalker · 30 August 2012, 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny

is this what tudor have stated?

Tudor has said they designed the watch to appear older like a vintage piece.

Johny · 30 August 2012, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

No, don't get hung up on the word "fake".

not my choice of word but thank you for the advice.

kilyung · 30 August 2012, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny

nothing about "fake" patina on the dial. pink gold being used to suggest but does not say used to "fake"

I give up.

Johny · 30 August 2012, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by gwalker

Tudor has said they designed the watch to appear older like a vintage piece.

so not then?

Frogman4me · 30 August 2012, 02:36 AM

I still want one! IMO "fake" is a poor choice of word on such a great watch that is all original from the factory but I understand what was meant. Recreate or resemble patina would have been better interpreted because then it doesn't sound like you are making less of a watch that you personally do not like that others may want.

Time2time · 30 August 2012, 02:41 AM

JOHNY ....... LEAVE IT!!

Time to go back to the ward. Nurse is waiting to give you your medicine.

Dob · 30 August 2012, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

I give up.

Do you wear jeans? Ever buy a pair that is faded or distressed so that it looks like the jeans have been worn for years? That is "fake" patina. Jeans don't start out looking that way - the company uses special washing techniques to give them a vintage/worn look even though they are actually brand new. While not an exact analogy, that is exactly what Tudor has done with this watch - taken a brand new watch and deliberately used techniques to give it the appearance of a vintage watch.

patek.wis · 30 August 2012, 02:47 AM

I think weve had this thread about fake patina
If youve owned the watch or held it, it is not fake patina

contrast to a PAM390 or JLC tribute lume, that is fake patina

Can we please put an end to that once and for all? Id hate prospective owners to think that theres any fake patina or wannabe'ing going on with the watch

They used older styling CUES, but did not artificially age the watch, IE faded insert, dial, patina (yellowing) on the hour marker lume.

The comparison to jeans is valid only if you are referring to bell bottoms on new jeans. That is a styling vintage cue to make it look older. That is a better analogy, not weathered jeans, as that is not what Tudor has done in comparison.

The ONLY fake patina is on the weathered leather strap. That is fake or artificial patina.

its a great watch - values will settle as they did with THC

Im buying one when my dealer gets it again at my usual discount when the hype dies

London Gent · 30 August 2012, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

I give up.

ha ha!

Jocke · 30 August 2012, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by gwalker

It's made to look like a vintage watch that the dial has aged. Because this wasn't a natural process and Tudor made it to look old is why I call it fake patina.

Günter you can't mention "fake patina" to a Triumph rider because those bikes looks used and old when the are brand new.

Johny · 30 August 2012, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Time2time

JOHNY ....... LEAVE IT!!

Time to go back to the ward. Nurse is waiting to give you your medicine.

see that you have had yours already..

Johny · 30 August 2012, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Jocke

Günter you can't mention "fake patina" to a Triumph rider because those bikes looks used and old when the are brand new.

i'm still filing the patina off jocke

30 August 2012, 12:47 AM	#1
Engi "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Everywhere Posts: 1,434	Tudor Black Bay: is the hype finished ? Hi all, I'm monitoring several watch fora (also here in Italy) and it seems, at least to me, that, after an initial general consensus, now the interest (and the relevant sales) about the new Tudor Black Bay is going down. Is this just my personal impression or have you the same feeling ? TIA and , Engi

30 August 2012, 12:48 AM	#2
Canadianjam2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Canada Watch: Tudor Her.Chrono Posts: 179	No it is a great watch and Tudor has now carved themselves a niche with their new "heritage" lines of products.

30 August 2012, 01:11 AM	#4
gwalker "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Real Name: Gunter Location: AL/NJ Watch: DSSD; 116610LN Posts: 5,509	I think it has gone down a little because most of those that really had to have the BB have acquired one by now. I think it's an interesting piece but I'm not sure if I like it. I won't ever have one though. The no date and "fake" patina just doesn't do it for me. Now I LOVE the Pelagos. I might have to get one in the future.

30 August 2012, 01:42 AM	#8
Canadianjam2 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Canada Watch: Tudor Her.Chrono Posts: 179	Its not fake patina....

30 August 2012, 02:00 AM	#16
chillviper "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Atlanta Watch: SS Daytona Posts: 509	Definitely looking to pick one up. Planning a trip to CA to try some Tudor's on, Montreal perhaps.

30 August 2012, 02:36 AM	#23
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	I still want one! IMO "fake" is a poor choice of word on such a great watch that is all original from the factory but I understand what was meant. Recreate or resemble patina would have been better interpreted because then it doesn't sound like you are making less of a watch that you personally do not like that others may want.

30 August 2012, 02:41 AM	#24
Time2time Banned Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: U.K Watch: Milgauss GV, Sub-C Posts: 2,178	JOHNY ....... LEAVE IT!! Time to go back to the ward. Nurse is waiting to give you your medicine.

30 August 2012, 02:47 AM	#26
patek.wis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Will Location: Canada Watch: The Sky Posts: 1,824	I think weve had this thread about fake patina If youve owned the watch or held it, it is not fake patina contrast to a PAM390 or JLC tribute lume, that is fake patina Can we please put an end to that once and for all? Id hate prospective owners to think that theres any fake patina or wannabe'ing going on with the watch They used older styling CUES, but did not artificially age the watch, IE faded insert, dial, patina (yellowing) on the hour marker lume. The comparison to jeans is valid only if you are referring to bell bottoms on new jeans. That is a styling vintage cue to make it look older. That is a better analogy, not weathered jeans, as that is not what Tudor has done in comparison. The ONLY fake patina is on the weathered leather strap. That is fake or artificial patina. its a great watch - values will settle as they did with THC Im buying one when my dealer gets it again at my usual discount when the hype dies

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