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vh_bu98 · 4 November 2007, 11:46 PM

When I bought my first Rolex, I was hoping to cultivate a relationship with them since they were the only one willing to sell me an LV at the time without the usual BS involved.

Since then, the person who sold me my Rolex has moved on and the other sales people (or new assistant manager) are not budging on price on a TT model. And when I asked them to see the SS Daytona list to verify that I was on it, they couldn't find it and claim that the old assistant manager (the guy who sold me my LV and isn't there anymore) has it.

So I feel it's time to find another AD. The thing is should I just go with the one with the best price or actually try to find one to build a relationship with? Or forget the whole AD and go grey?

leopardprey · 5 November 2007, 12:36 AM

The only relationship I would build with an AD, was if the AD had a hot looking female sales assistant and we started dating!

Seriously, a AD sees hundreds of customers a week. No relationship to build, they are there to sell and we are there to buy. Remember they are salepeople out to do one thing, make money! Relationship with an AD does not matter, go find the best deal you can. It is money in your pocket. Why put more money in theirs?

And as you stated, even if you build a relationship or become friends with some ofthe sales people at an AD, who says they will even be working there next month? Two different ADs I bought from (one was Kansaivets AD) the salepeople and sales managers I bought from are no longer there! Only relationship I ever had with a AD was an Omega AD, and that was because I was dating the Omega Sales Rep! But, we have since parted and she actually left Omega and is now a Longines sales Rep!

Ed Rooney · 5 November 2007, 01:24 AM

Seems like a lot of extra money to pay for a warranty. I say let some other sap pay the AD. It's all about buying low and selling high.

Jedi · 5 November 2007, 01:26 AM

I for one do not have a 'steady' AD that I buy from. The closest is a family store that is also the only authorised Rolex AD that can service Rolex as well. I've bought 3 pieces from them, but I'm equally inclined to buy from any other source.

We currently own 5 Rolex, 2 were bought from this aforementioned AD, plus 1 also from him as a present for my dad. The other 3 came from different sources.

ohsixx · 5 November 2007, 02:14 AM

I was suckered once by an AD; it won't happen again.

Wolfgang427 · 5 November 2007, 02:31 AM

The only AD I buy from is a local mom and pop store.

And I always deal with the owner and no one else.

sheldonsmith · 5 November 2007, 03:07 AM

I have worked with various AD's and between the sales person turn-over, the hose-n-close answers on soft-pitch Rolex questions, having to "check with managers," and watches getting sold out from under me because "the owner had already promised it to someone else..." I have no allegiance to Rolex AD's.

My bikeshop is a different story. There, you work with the same person, the pricing is a little higher but you know you are getting honest answers from people who are cognizant of details.

I have found that gray dealers and collectors have much more knowledge and are more personable, but that is the nature of the retail watch business.

The only thing that sways me to AD's is that they frequently extend the warranty to 3-4 years, and many times offer no-interest financing. No gray dealer can do that....

-Sheldon

puffnmo · 5 November 2007, 03:24 AM

I have no loyalty to AD's whatsoever. I go to all of them, and buy if I see something I really want at a price I'm willing to pay.

Ad's are not loyal to me either. I have never received any real favor from one. Mostly what I do get is a lot of BS.

The one AD that left me feeling really well treated and well taken care of is the Officine Panerai boutique in L.A. I only realised this A.M. that they gave me a small discount on my purchase last week, and they threw in some extras, i.e.an excellent strap, a Pannie key chain. And no BS. They answered my questions truthfully, and were not self-serving in their answers. Cheers, Larry.

astcell · 5 November 2007, 03:40 AM

Does the PAM place have a website?

puffnmo · 5 November 2007, 03:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astcell

Does the PAM place have a website?

I just did a search, came up with nothing.

Larry

puffnmo · 5 November 2007, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by puffnmo

I just did a search, came up with nothing.

Larry

BUT, if you go to their regular website, they list the locations of their boutiques around the world.

Arturo · 5 November 2007, 04:10 AM

The only benefit is to get on the Daytona lists if you have purchased several watches, AND if you have a good RSC watchmaker in house. If you have that, the relationship is to be valued. Otherwise you are just dealing with another mall jewelry store. My AD is an old local family who sends me clients and business. I would not go anywhere else to save a few bucks. My jeweler there is former RSC watchmaker. I learn a lot each time I go there. My AD is owner of shop, so he is not going anywhere.

Gaijin · 5 November 2007, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by leopardprey

The only relationship I would build with an AD, was if the AD had a hot looking female sales assistant and we started dating!

Seriously, a AD sees hundreds of customers a week. No relationship to build, they are there to sell and we are there to buy. Remember they are salepeople out to do one thing, make money! Relationship with an AD does not matter, go find the best deal you can. It is money in your pocket. Why put more money in theirs?

And as you stated, even if you build a relationship or become friends with some ofthe sales people at an AD, who says they will even be working there next month? Two different ADs I bought from (one was Kansaivets AD) the salepeople and sales managers I bought from are no longer there! Only relationship I ever had with a AD was an Omega AD, and that was because I was dating the Omega Sales Rep! But, we have since parted and she actually left Omega and is now a Longines sales Rep!

The Manager of my AD is gone and the new one is even easier to get along with. One sales staff left, but he was not who I dealt with. The sales staff and Asst. Manager I go through are both still there and both still taking care of me and TRF members.

SPACE-DWELLER · 5 November 2007, 08:53 AM

I would find an AD that you are comfortable with. One who will give discounts, one with friendly and knowledgeable staff!

Sometimes, a good "relationship" with the AD starts from day one, and sometimes you "just" have to buy a LOT of Rolex watches to get that socalled "relationship".

Tombstone · 5 November 2007, 09:52 AM

Find another AD if you have to go grey then your into used watches and can't work out a business deal. There are many ADs who will deal in discounts. You have the Gold you make the rules.

Launch Mini · 5 November 2007, 10:44 AM

Unless you're going to be buying a watch a month for a while, you probably won't get any special treatement on the SS Daytona front. IMO
There are plenty of Rolex AD's around, they all sell the same product, so just shop around.

hoskilee · 5 November 2007, 11:24 AM

I would buy my Rolex from a "Trusted" grey dealer before going to AD. Rolex watches are extraordinary time pieces but they are also commodity in a way that they are available every where. So I think it the name of the game like alomost every transaction is buying a genuine Rolex at the market price. ADs that won't give discount in my opinion is not following the market price. I would not spend a single dime in that stuck up place.

Boopie · 5 November 2007, 02:09 PM

I am certainly no expert (I bought and own only one Rolex) but I went with a "grey" dealer in Beverly Hills (a watch shop with a good reputation). In 2001 I paid cash for a brand new ladies' Yachtmaster and the dealer knocked off over $1K from the price. It came with papers and the hologram on the back (but not the little hangtag, but I'm not planning on selling my watch, either). Unless you are dealing in volume and/or used watches (neither group includes me) I don't see the need to pay full price at an AD.

Gaijin · 5 November 2007, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boopie

I am certainly no expert (I bought and own only one Rolex) but I went with a "grey" dealer in Beverly Hills (a watch shop with a good reputation). In 2001 I paid cash for a brand new ladies' Yachtmaster and the dealer knocked off over $1K from the price. It came with papers and the hologram on the back (but not the little hangtag, but I'm not planning on selling my watch, either). Unless you are dealing in volume and/or used watches (neither group includes me) I don't see the need to pay full price at an AD.

I agree. I never pay full price at an AD.

I get discounts at an AD or I don't buy.

I only purchase my Rolex at an AD for the experience and piece of mind.

fly-dad · 5 November 2007, 04:32 PM

I get to fly all over the world...even been to Dushanbe once astcell...and I visit every AD I can find. The prices are almost always the same no mater what the currency but what might be a rare find in NY is available in Guam or Salt Lake City.

4 November 2007, 11:46 PM	#1
vh_bu98 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Vu Location: Dallas area Watch: Platinum YM Posts: 2,646	Abandoning your AD? When I bought my first Rolex, I was hoping to cultivate a relationship with them since they were the only one willing to sell me an LV at the time without the usual BS involved. Since then, the person who sold me my Rolex has moved on and the other sales people (or new assistant manager) are not budging on price on a TT model. And when I asked them to see the SS Daytona list to verify that I was on it, they couldn't find it and claim that the old assistant manager (the guy who sold me my LV and isn't there anymore) has it. So I feel it's time to find another AD. The thing is should I just go with the one with the best price or actually try to find one to build a relationship with? Or forget the whole AD and go grey?

5 November 2007, 02:14 AM	#5
ohsixx "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Real Name: Mark Location: Florida Watch: Make a guess! Posts: 1,515	I was suckered once by an AD; it won't happen again. __________________ 16613 Submariner 116523 Daytona Panerai 104 "Speedy Pro"

5 November 2007, 03:07 AM	#7
sheldonsmith 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Member 202♛ Posts: 1,815	AD's are not Bike Shops I have worked with various AD's and between the sales person turn-over, the hose-n-close answers on soft-pitch Rolex questions, having to "check with managers," and watches getting sold out from under me because "the owner had already promised it to someone else..." I have no allegiance to Rolex AD's. My bikeshop is a different story. There, you work with the same person, the pricing is a little higher but you know you are getting honest answers from people who are cognizant of details. I have found that gray dealers and collectors have much more knowledge and are more personable, but that is the nature of the retail watch business. The only thing that sways me to AD's is that they frequently extend the warranty to 3-4 years, and many times offer no-interest financing. No gray dealer can do that.... -Sheldon __________________

5 November 2007, 08:53 AM	#14
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	I would find an AD that you are comfortable with. One who will give discounts, one with friendly and knowledgeable staff! Sometimes, a good "relationship" with the AD starts from day one, and sometimes you "just" have to buy a LOT of Rolex watches to get that socalled "relationship". __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

5 November 2007, 10:44 AM	#16
Launch Mini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Real Name: John Location: Canada, eh Watch: can I? Posts: 6,240	Unless you're going to be buying a watch a month for a while, you probably won't get any special treatement on the SS Daytona front. IMO There are plenty of Rolex AD's around, they all sell the same product, so just shop around. __________________ Something witty to go here. Member # 293

5 November 2007, 12:36 AM	#2
leopardprey Banned Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Chad Location: Around the world Watch: Panerai 233 Posts: 4,204	The only relationship I would build with an AD, was if the AD had a hot looking female sales assistant and we started dating! Seriously, a AD sees hundreds of customers a week. No relationship to build, they are there to sell and we are there to buy. Remember they are salepeople out to do one thing, make money! Relationship with an AD does not matter, go find the best deal you can. It is money in your pocket. Why put more money in theirs? And as you stated, even if you build a relationship or become friends with some ofthe sales people at an AD, who says they will even be working there next month? Two different ADs I bought from (one was Kansaivets AD) the salepeople and sales managers I bought from are no longer there! Only relationship I ever had with a AD was an Omega AD, and that was because I was dating the Omega Sales Rep! But, we have since parted and she actually left Omega and is now a Longines sales Rep!

5 November 2007, 01:24 AM	#3
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	Seems like a lot of extra money to pay for a warranty. I say let some other sap pay the AD. It's all about buying low and selling high.

5 November 2007, 01:26 AM	#4
Jedi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Lee Location: Malaysia Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,534	I for one do not have a 'steady' AD that I buy from. The closest is a family store that is also the only authorised Rolex AD that can service Rolex as well. I've bought 3 pieces from them, but I'm equally inclined to buy from any other source. We currently own 5 Rolex, 2 were bought from this aforementioned AD, plus 1 also from him as a present for my dad. The other 3 came from different sources.

5 November 2007, 02:31 AM	#6
Wolfgang427 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Wolfgang Location: New Jersey. Watch: Rolex Tudor Omega Posts: 5,592	The only AD I buy from is a local mom and pop store. And I always deal with the owner and no one else.

5 November 2007, 03:24 AM	#8
puffnmo Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 848	I have no loyalty to AD's whatsoever. I go to all of them, and buy if I see something I really want at a price I'm willing to pay. Ad's are not loyal to me either. I have never received any real favor from one. Mostly what I do get is a lot of BS. The one AD that left me feeling really well treated and well taken care of is the Officine Panerai boutique in L.A. I only realised this A.M. that they gave me a small discount on my purchase last week, and they threw in some extras, i.e.an excellent strap, a Pannie key chain. And no BS. They answered my questions truthfully, and were not self-serving in their answers. Cheers, Larry.

5 November 2007, 03:40 AM	#9
astcell "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Robert Location: Angelus Oaks, CA Watch: 116713 Posts: 6,828	Does the PAM place have a website?

5 November 2007, 04:10 AM	#12
Arturo "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Arturo Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: Black GMT ll Posts: 1,271	The only benefit is to get on the Daytona lists if you have purchased several watches, AND if you have a good RSC watchmaker in house. If you have that, the relationship is to be valued. Otherwise you are just dealing with another mall jewelry store. My AD is an old local family who sends me clients and business. I would not go anywhere else to save a few bucks. My jeweler there is former RSC watchmaker. I learn a lot each time I go there. My AD is owner of shop, so he is not going anywhere.

5 November 2007, 09:52 AM	#15
Tombstone "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Richard Location: LV, NV Watch: LV Sub and others Posts: 2,689	Find another AD if you have to go grey then your into used watches and can't work out a business deal. There are many ADs who will deal in discounts. You have the Gold you make the rules.

5 November 2007, 11:24 AM	#17
hoskilee Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: USA Posts: 25	I would buy my Rolex from a "Trusted" grey dealer before going to AD. Rolex watches are extraordinary time pieces but they are also commodity in a way that they are available every where. So I think it the name of the game like alomost every transaction is buying a genuine Rolex at the market price. ADs that won't give discount in my opinion is not following the market price. I would not spend a single dime in that stuck up place.

5 November 2007, 02:09 PM	#18
Boopie "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Beverly Hills, CA Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 3,952	I am certainly no expert (I bought and own only one Rolex) but I went with a "grey" dealer in Beverly Hills (a watch shop with a good reputation). In 2001 I paid cash for a brand new ladies' Yachtmaster and the dealer knocked off over $1K from the price. It came with papers and the hologram on the back (but not the little hangtag, but I'm not planning on selling my watch, either). Unless you are dealing in volume and/or used watches (neither group includes me) I don't see the need to pay full price at an AD.

5 November 2007, 04:32 PM	#20
fly-dad "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Peter Location: Maui Breach Watch: GMT IIc Posts: 230	I get to fly all over the world...even been to Dushanbe once astcell...and I visit every AD I can find. The prices are almost always the same no mater what the currency but what might be a rare find in NY is available in Guam or Salt Lake City.

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