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waeleldasher · 16 December 2007, 08:28 AM

I went to my AD today because I've been smitten lately by the white face explorer II. Something about the black hands and black lume surrounds is just attractive to me.

While there a coke GMT II winked at me. The lady pulled it out and its stunning. Then she pulled out a second one and told me to look carefully at the way II in GMT Master II is written on each. Sure enough they were different. She then told me that one had Arabic II and the second and Roman II and that she's never had a GMT Master II with Roman II before. She believes its a mistake of some kind or a little game Rolex likes to play.

She felt it may be a worth while investment to consider the GMT with the Roman numeral II. I put the Explorer II and the coke GMT II side by side and darn it. Not an easy choice.

In the end I asked her to hold the Explorer II. I had my LV, white SS Daytona, and my DJ Everose to compare all the watches side by side. In the end we all felt the GMT II was too similar to the LV in overall looks and I have nothing that looks like the Explorer II.

The white dial on the explorer is so white, it makes the Daytona seem a bit cream in color.

Sitting now, I am tormented by which to get. I can't afford both right now, but I would like to know more about that GMT with the Roman II, any info is appreciated

cheers

W

f16570 · 16 December 2007, 08:30 AM

Torment yourselve no longer my friend, buy them both.

f

equinox · 16 December 2007, 08:33 AM

Does anyone have pictures of the 2, just curious to compare them

Equinox

waeleldasher · 16 December 2007, 08:35 AM

I can try to take a photo of both tomorrow. I didn't think about taking my camera with me to the AD. To be honest, I will feel a bit like a weirdo standing in this fancy place taking pictures :) Wait a minute...I am a weirdo!!!

mike · 16 December 2007, 08:43 AM

It's appeared on a couple series. I'm not sure it's as rare as ADs like to say, but if you're going to get one may as well go for the arabic.

Photo credit Hannes,

equinox · 16 December 2007, 08:49 AM

So am I right in assuming that the later of the GMT'S has the Roman like mine pictured above!!

Equinox

SPACE-DWELLER · 16 December 2007, 08:52 AM

Nice pics, Mike!

Are they on Oysterworld.com??

mike · 16 December 2007, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Nice pics, Mike!

Are they on Oysterworld.com??

No, but probably somewhere on the German forum.

Chris B · 16 December 2007, 08:57 AM

This has been raised before & as far as I'm aware its just a different font dependent on the runtime the manufacturer, as simple as that, it's never gonna be the same as the beautiful cream Explorer.

IMO it'll probably be 50 years before one is more valuable than the other & as the 16710 (either font) is no longer in production both will be venerated in equal proportion

Can't help you as to which to get (Explorer / GMT II), the decision is yours but I reiterate that the 16710 is no longer in production, anyway heres pics of mine to "torment" you further, lol

waeleldasher · 16 December 2007, 09:02 AM

OH!!!! You are EVIL!!! :)

I can't get over how white the Explorer II dial is. My Daytona looked pale in comparison to the whiteness of the Expy...

SPACE-DWELLER · 16 December 2007, 09:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike

No, but probably somewhere on the German forum.

Thanks, Mike!

waeleldasher · 16 December 2007, 09:19 AM

Excellent photos Mike! Thanks for clearing this up. I guess I should buy what I like. The AD actually had 2 white face expy II, both brand new, one with the holes in the lugs which has been in their safe since they got it in because they lost the cert. and the other is new model with the no holes in the lugs. She offered me the one with no holes for $4250...she believes she can knock off another 5% off the one with holes in the lugs. Not sure its worth the savings. I do prefer the practicality of the holes in the lugs.

Anyone care to torment me further?

cheers

W

Perdu · 16 December 2007, 10:08 AM

Unless you are a collector of specific vintage models I would say don't think of your purchase as an investment - it's not. Buy the one you enjoy the most.

mopsey · 16 December 2007, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris B

This has been raised before & as far as I'm aware its just a different font dependent on the runtime the manufacturer, as simple as that, it's never gonna be the same as the beautiful cream Explorer.

IMO it'll probably be 50 years before one is more valuable than the other & as the 16710 (either font) is no longer in production both will be venerated in equal proportion

Can't help you as to which to get (Explorer / GMT II), the decision is yours but I reiterate that the 16710 is no longer in production, anyway heres pics of mine to "torment" you further, lol

Oh deep joy at the Exp II.

I think i'm in love!!

Oh that exp II

waeleldasher · 16 December 2007, 03:44 PM

Well its settled...An expy II will be in the collection. I can't wait for the day my oldest daughter goes to college and graduates for me to take it off my wrist and put on hers.

cheers

W

vukotab · 18 December 2007, 12:33 AM

Congrats!I`m proud owner of a White Explorer II,and for me there`s no watch that is so beautiful and classy and rough and sporty at the same time!Enjoy it!

Dan Pierce · 18 December 2007, 01:48 AM

Nice no matter what version you have.

dP

marshallr47 · 18 December 2007, 06:31 AM

Personally, I like the II better then the ll. I believe it was the ll that was talked about being a mis-print or as mentioned above, it may be Rolex messing with our heads

.

Jocke · 18 December 2007, 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SPACE-DWELLER

Nice pics, Mike!

Are they on Oysterworld.com??

No, they are here.

Jocke

16 December 2007, 08:28 AM	#1
waeleldasher "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Wael Location: CT, USA+Abu Dhabi Watch: 16610LV / 116520 Posts: 201	GMT II with Roman numerals? I went to my AD today because I've been smitten lately by the white face explorer II. Something about the black hands and black lume surrounds is just attractive to me. While there a coke GMT II winked at me. The lady pulled it out and its stunning. Then she pulled out a second one and told me to look carefully at the way II in GMT Master II is written on each. Sure enough they were different. She then told me that one had Arabic II and the second and Roman II and that she's never had a GMT Master II with Roman II before. She believes its a mistake of some kind or a little game Rolex likes to play. She felt it may be a worth while investment to consider the GMT with the Roman numeral II. I put the Explorer II and the coke GMT II side by side and darn it. Not an easy choice. In the end I asked her to hold the Explorer II. I had my LV, white SS Daytona, and my DJ Everose to compare all the watches side by side. In the end we all felt the GMT II was too similar to the LV in overall looks and I have nothing that looks like the Explorer II. The white dial on the explorer is so white, it makes the Daytona seem a bit cream in color. Sitting now, I am tormented by which to get. I can't afford both right now, but I would like to know more about that GMT with the Roman II, any info is appreciated cheers W __________________ 16610LV 116520 116201 15200 16570

16 December 2007, 08:35 AM	#4
waeleldasher "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Wael Location: CT, USA+Abu Dhabi Watch: 16610LV / 116520 Posts: 201	I can try to take a photo of both tomorrow. I didn't think about taking my camera with me to the AD. To be honest, I will feel a bit like a weirdo standing in this fancy place taking pictures :) Wait a minute...I am a weirdo!!! __________________ 16610LV 116520 116201 15200 16570

16 December 2007, 08:52 AM	#7
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Nice pics, Mike! Are they on Oysterworld.com?? __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

16 December 2007, 09:02 AM	#10
waeleldasher "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Wael Location: CT, USA+Abu Dhabi Watch: 16610LV / 116520 Posts: 201	OH!!!! You are EVIL!!! :) I can't get over how white the Explorer II dial is. My Daytona looked pale in comparison to the whiteness of the Expy... __________________ 16610LV 116520 116201 15200 16570

16 December 2007, 09:19 AM	#12
waeleldasher "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Wael Location: CT, USA+Abu Dhabi Watch: 16610LV / 116520 Posts: 201	Excellent photos Mike! Thanks for clearing this up. I guess I should buy what I like. The AD actually had 2 white face expy II, both brand new, one with the holes in the lugs which has been in their safe since they got it in because they lost the cert. and the other is new model with the no holes in the lugs. She offered me the one with no holes for $4250...she believes she can knock off another 5% off the one with holes in the lugs. Not sure its worth the savings. I do prefer the practicality of the holes in the lugs. Anyone care to torment me further? cheers W __________________ 16610LV 116520 116201 15200 16570

16 December 2007, 08:30 AM	#2
f16570 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: F Location: Scotland Watch: Exp II White Face Posts: 4,272	Torment yourselve no longer my friend, buy them both. f

16 December 2007, 08:33 AM	#3
equinox Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK Watch: ROLEX GMT2 Z PEPSI Posts: 109	Does anyone have pictures of the 2, just curious to compare them Equinox

16 December 2007, 08:43 AM	#5
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	It's appeared on a couple series. I'm not sure it's as rare as ADs like to say, but if you're going to get one may as well go for the arabic. Photo credit Hannes,

16 December 2007, 08:49 AM	#6
equinox Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: UK Watch: ROLEX GMT2 Z PEPSI Posts: 109	So am I right in assuming that the later of the GMT'S has the Roman like mine pictured above!! Equinox

16 December 2007, 08:57 AM	#9
Chris B "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Peterborough Posts: 9,631	This has been raised before & as far as I'm aware its just a different font dependent on the runtime the manufacturer, as simple as that, it's never gonna be the same as the beautiful cream Explorer. IMO it'll probably be 50 years before one is more valuable than the other & as the 16710 (either font) is no longer in production both will be venerated in equal proportion Can't help you as to which to get (Explorer / GMT II), the decision is yours but I reiterate that the 16710 is no longer in production, anyway heres pics of mine to "torment" you further, lol

16 December 2007, 10:08 AM	#13
Perdu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Gary Location: GMT-6 Watch: GMT Posts: 3,350	Unless you are a collector of specific vintage models I would say don't think of your purchase as an investment - it's not. Buy the one you enjoy the most.

16 December 2007, 03:44 PM	#15
waeleldasher "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Wael Location: CT, USA+Abu Dhabi Watch: 16610LV / 116520 Posts: 201	Well its settled...An expy II will be in the collection. I can't wait for the day my oldest daughter goes to college and graduates for me to take it off my wrist and put on hers. cheers W __________________ 16610LV 116520 116201 15200 16570

18 December 2007, 12:33 AM	#16
vukotab "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Vukota Brajovi Location: Belgrade,Serbia Watch: ing movies! Posts: 3,812	Congrats!I`m proud owner of a White Explorer II,and for me there`s no watch that is so beautiful and classy and rough and sporty at the same time!Enjoy it!

18 December 2007, 01:48 AM	#17
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,217	Nice no matter what version you have. dP Attached Images __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

18 December 2007, 06:31 AM	#18
marshallr47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Ron Location: Alabama Watch: Daytona,TT Sub,GMT Posts: 4,673	Personally, I like the II better then the ll. I believe it was the ll that was talked about being a mis-print or as mentioned above, it may be Rolex messing with our heads. __________________ Ron

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