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HongNinja · 24 February 2013, 02:59 PM

Yeah... I told myself I'd never do it, and I've gone days, even other social media formats, and some of you even got a text.... Short of flipping a coin, my last resort will have to be TRF.

Should I?

Had opportunity to get a 216570(Explorer II 42mm Blk). This watch had my eye for a long ways back when they introduced at Basel. I had always been a Sub/SD guy, but always had a special place in my heart for the famed 1655("McQueen" Explorer). That orange hand. Wow. I can't get over it. Then they made it 42mm and made the case better/etc. You get the point.

Then I saw the 114060 in person. Made the decision. Had to have it shortly down the road after Rolex released it at Basel. It's gorgeous. I love it. Probably my favorite of the dive watches "so far".

I would have to give up my 114060 to acquire this beautiful Explorer(wife's orders)

I know it's lame, but what do you all think?

Wrist shots to compare.

U5512 · 24 February 2013, 03:04 PM

They are both great watches so flip a coin to see which one is the lucky one.

connorperson · 24 February 2013, 03:05 PM

explorer

and its not even close

Solo118 · 24 February 2013, 03:11 PM

keep the sub, be happy with a great watch!

Balsquat · 24 February 2013, 03:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by connorperson

explorer

and its not even close

Completely disagree. The Sub no-date is the ultimate icon. A classic go-to watch in any situation. I say stick with the sub until your wife changes her mind at a later date. she will....

expat1 · 24 February 2013, 03:16 PM

ExpII -stands out from the crowd...

CarFreak · 24 February 2013, 03:20 PM

Explorer since it's not as common as a sub

Chewbacca · 24 February 2013, 03:42 PM

imho, the exp2 is the better choice as far as watches go. but the nd sub is a must have for a rolex tool watch wis at some point in their life.

rohardi · 24 February 2013, 03:48 PM

Oh god. I don't know what to tell you on this one brother. I just picked up my 216570 black this week and I couldn't imagin losing my Sub C 116610LN. Is there any chance down the road you might be able to get your wife to alow you to have both? This may require some buttering up...

HongNinja · 24 February 2013, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rohardi

Oh god. I don't know what to tell you on this one brother. I just picked up my 216570 black this week and I couldn't imagin losing my Sub C 116610LN. Is there any chance down the road you might be able to get your wife to alow you to have both? This may require some buttering up...

I got the 114060 6 months ago, and she is preggo.... A lot a lot of you know what that means...

Such a hard decision. Win-win either way, really.

kilyung · 24 February 2013, 04:23 PM

Unless you travel a lot or must have a date, keep the Sub

Psmith · 24 February 2013, 04:36 PM

I 'need' the date, so the Explorer wins it for me

Kaylesdad · 24 February 2013, 05:13 PM

Explorer is great but the sub is an icon. I would not give it up. Save up and get the exp later.

Cru Jones · 24 February 2013, 06:17 PM

If the Sub is your only Sub, don't flip for an ExpII.

MaxCargo · 24 February 2013, 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HongNinja

I got the 114060 6 months ago, and she is preggo.... A lot a lot of you know what that means...

Such a hard decision. Win-win either way, really.

LoL

preggo chicks are a handfull. Be carefull

bayerische · 24 February 2013, 08:27 PM

Nope I wouldn't give up the sub.

travisb · 24 February 2013, 08:34 PM

I say get the ExpII. The obsessing will not go away until you give in (I know how it is).
It's one sweet watch, and if later on you decide you made a mistake then it can easily be reversed.
I love the ND as well, but the 216570 seems to be where you're at.

melons · 24 February 2013, 10:51 PM

I like the ND and nearly got one, but since I have a Sub date it seemed redundant, that and I haven't really warmed to the new case yet. Get the EXP2, I did. For me it's best of the new Rolexes and features all of the new movement enhancements.

Eric88 · 24 February 2013, 11:43 PM

Keep the Sub.

benlee · 24 February 2013, 11:50 PM

I am assuming your wife wisely do not want you to overspend at the expense of your finances. So my suggestion, keep the Sub, start saving for the Explorer II and buy it later.

Armyguy03 · 24 February 2013, 11:51 PM

I am a Sub for life, however in your situation I would flip it. You can always go back. Or flip the Sub, and use the funds to buy a used 14060 and ExpII. If you present two for the price of one the wife will be happy. OR, flip it, get a used explorer and a used watch for your wife.

03cobraa · 24 February 2013, 11:53 PM

How about getting the Explorer II and then picking up a 14060 down the road? It would be a lot less coin than the 114060, and still have the look!

mruhland31 · 25 February 2013, 12:39 AM

I don't think you can go wrong either way....they are both classics and both look amazing..I think it's a tough decision but if you can work something out to have both even if its down the road I would do it...

FremStar · 25 February 2013, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HongNinja

Yeah... I told myself I'd never do it, and I've gone days, even other social media formats, and some of you even got a text.... Short of flipping a coin, my last resort will have to be TRF.

Should I?

Had opportunity to get a 216570(Explorer II 42mm Blk). This watch had my eye for a long ways back when they introduced at Basel. I had always been a Sub/SD guy, but always had a special place in my heart for the famed 1655("McQueen" Explorer). That orange hand. Wow. I can't get over it. Then they made it 42mm and made the case better/etc. You get the point.

Then I saw the 114060 in person. Made the decision. Had to have it shortly down the road after Rolex released it at Basel. It's gorgeous. I love it. Probably my favorite of the dive watches "so far".

I would have to give up my 114060 to acquire this beautiful Explorer(wife's orders)

I know it's lame, but what do you all think?

Wrist shots to compare.

Dude it's SERIOUS out there! Your wife and my wife must be in the same central intelligence unit! After I sent that public message to your Mrs. I woke up (dreaming) to a missing slot where my 1655 and 216570 rest! Really woke up and realized it was just a dream!

Anyway here is one mans accounts...

Even my students love the 216570! Brought both my 1655 and my 216570 into class a few months ago to discuss the history of both and they loved the abstract nature of the ORANGE HAND!!!

To be honest if the 1655 is what you want just hold off on doing anything and wait until the proper funds have been raised to find yourself a mint example! To me there is no other Rolex timepiece like the Freccione!

Peace!

zeroshiki · 25 February 2013, 01:17 AM

I just voted dont trade but did it in a hurry.., i thought u were going to trade your 216570 for a sub nd.., turns out its the other way around. Do it! You wont regret it. The 216570 imho is going to be a real classic.

The exp looks way better on your wrist

njduffer · 25 February 2013, 01:40 AM

I also love the 1655. I purchased the Sub Date and love the watch but recently purchased 216570. If you cannot buy both and the 1655 is one of your "grail" watches and you don't see a 1655 purchase in the near future, get the 216570.

If the 216570 was available when I purchased the sub, I probably would not own the sub today.

The 114060 is perfect in many respects but I think it is so different from the 216570 that one or the other should speak to you.

SeaDweller50 · 25 February 2013, 02:09 AM

Explorer. No contest.

sea-dweller · 25 February 2013, 02:43 AM

I love the ND Sub, but need a date on my watches. I would do it.

dukerules · 25 February 2013, 02:44 AM

Both are beautiful. But it's the 114060 for me, and it's not close.

mjclark32 · 25 February 2013, 02:47 AM

I'd keep the sub

View Poll Results: 216570(Explorer II 42mm) for 114060(SubC ND)
Yes, do it! The Orange hands rocks!	101	52.60%
No! You're dumb to trade off the Sub for that one!	91	47.40%
Voters: 192. You may not vote on this poll

24 February 2013, 02:59 PM	#1
HongNinja Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: On Earth Watch: 228238, 114060 Posts: 1,347	216570 for 114060? A "should I?" post? Yeah... I told myself I'd never do it, and I've gone days, even other social media formats, and some of you even got a text.... Short of flipping a coin, my last resort will have to be TRF. Should I? Had opportunity to get a 216570(Explorer II 42mm Blk). This watch had my eye for a long ways back when they introduced at Basel. I had always been a Sub/SD guy, but always had a special place in my heart for the famed 1655("McQueen" Explorer). That orange hand. Wow. I can't get over it. Then they made it 42mm and made the case better/etc. You get the point. Then I saw the 114060 in person. Made the decision. Had to have it shortly down the road after Rolex released it at Basel. It's gorgeous. I love it. Probably my favorite of the dive watches "so far". I would have to give up my 114060 to acquire this beautiful Explorer(wife's orders) I know it's lame, but what do you all think? Wrist shots to compare.

24 February 2013, 03:05 PM	#3
connorperson "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Connor Location: USA Watch: 214270 Posts: 132	explorer and its not even close __________________ . . RAIDER NATION

24 February 2013, 04:36 PM	#12
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	I 'need' the date, so the Explorer wins it for me __________________

24 February 2013, 08:27 PM	#16
bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Nope I wouldn't give up the sub. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

24 February 2013, 03:11 PM	#4
Solo118 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: USA Watch: Daytona Posts: 6,091	keep the sub, be happy with a great watch!

24 February 2013, 03:16 PM	#6
expat1 Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Boston Watch: SD, ExpII, BLNR Posts: 77	ExpII -stands out from the crowd...

24 February 2013, 03:20 PM	#7
CarFreak "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Ben Location: New York Watch: AP/ROLEX/PANERAI Posts: 455	Explorer since it's not as common as a sub

24 February 2013, 03:42 PM	#8
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,112	imho, the exp2 is the better choice as far as watches go. but the nd sub is a must have for a rolex tool watch wis at some point in their life.

24 February 2013, 03:48 PM	#9
rohardi "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Rhode Island USA Watch: 116610LN, 216570 Posts: 787	Oh god. I don't know what to tell you on this one brother. I just picked up my 216570 black this week and I couldn't imagin losing my Sub C 116610LN. Is there any chance down the road you might be able to get your wife to alow you to have both? This may require some buttering up...

24 February 2013, 04:23 PM	#11
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Unless you travel a lot or must have a date, keep the Sub

24 February 2013, 05:13 PM	#13
Kaylesdad "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: Lawrence Location: Sydney Watch: Daytona, sub Posts: 167	Explorer is great but the sub is an icon. I would not give it up. Save up and get the exp later.

24 February 2013, 06:17 PM	#14
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,299	If the Sub is your only Sub, don't flip for an ExpII.

24 February 2013, 08:34 PM	#17
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,489	I say get the ExpII. The obsessing will not go away until you give in (I know how it is). It's one sweet watch, and if later on you decide you made a mistake then it can easily be reversed. I love the ND as well, but the 216570 seems to be where you're at.

24 February 2013, 10:51 PM	#18
melons "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: GMT -5 Watch: Rolex/Panerai Posts: 991	I like the ND and nearly got one, but since I have a Sub date it seemed redundant, that and I haven't really warmed to the new case yet. Get the EXP2, I did. For me it's best of the new Rolexes and features all of the new movement enhancements.

24 February 2013, 11:43 PM	#19
Eric88 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: 88 keys Posts: 2,241	Keep the Sub.

24 February 2013, 11:50 PM	#20
benlee "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Real Name: Ben Location: SIN & JKT Watch: Rolex, AP, PP Posts: 9,874	I am assuming your wife wisely do not want you to overspend at the expense of your finances. So my suggestion, keep the Sub, start saving for the Explorer II and buy it later.

24 February 2013, 11:51 PM	#21
Armyguy03 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: DM[V] Watch: 16710 \| 16600 Posts: 3,546	I am a Sub for life, however in your situation I would flip it. You can always go back. Or flip the Sub, and use the funds to buy a used 14060 and ExpII. If you present two for the price of one the wife will be happy. OR, flip it, get a used explorer and a used watch for your wife. __________________ Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

24 February 2013, 11:53 PM	#22
03cobraa "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Kelly Location: In the Bluegrass Watch: 116610LN Posts: 550	How about getting the Explorer II and then picking up a 14060 down the road? It would be a lot less coin than the 114060, and still have the look! __________________ SubC 116610LN, DJ 16014, GMT16750 pepsi Matte, Explorer II 16570 Polar V, Sea Dweller 16600, Sub 14060 More to come! "Too many watches, too little time"!

25 February 2013, 12:39 AM	#23
mruhland31 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Santa Clarita CA Posts: 1,028	I don't think you can go wrong either way....they are both classics and both look amazing..I think it's a tough decision but if you can work something out to have both even if its down the road I would do it...

25 February 2013, 01:17 AM	#25
zeroshiki "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: paul Location: surabaya Posts: 321	I just voted dont trade but did it in a hurry.., i thought u were going to trade your 216570 for a sub nd.., turns out its the other way around. Do it! You wont regret it. The 216570 imho is going to be a real classic. The exp looks way better on your wrist

25 February 2013, 01:40 AM	#26
njduffer "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: NJ Posts: 53	I also love the 1655. I purchased the Sub Date and love the watch but recently purchased 216570. If you cannot buy both and the 1655 is one of your "grail" watches and you don't see a 1655 purchase in the near future, get the 216570. If the 216570 was available when I purchased the sub, I probably would not own the sub today. The 114060 is perfect in many respects but I think it is so different from the 216570 that one or the other should speak to you.

25 February 2013, 02:09 AM	#27
SeaDweller50 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Sandy Location: England. Watch: 14060M 2 liner Posts: 3,204	Explorer. No contest.

25 February 2013, 02:43 AM	#28
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	I love the ND Sub, but need a date on my watches. I would do it.

25 February 2013, 02:44 AM	#29
dukerules "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: NC, USA Posts: 681	Both are beautiful. But it's the 114060 for me, and it's not close. __________________ Instagram: dukerules

25 February 2013, 02:47 AM	#30
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	I'd keep the sub __________________

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