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Grumpy Badger · 6 March 2013, 06:19 AM

I'm in the Market for a new (well, second hand but new to me) 4x4 but have reached an interesting dilemma...

Two more diverse cars you couldn't wish to find but at the moment it has come down to a Land Rover Defender 90" X-Tech or a Porsche Cayenne S!?!

They are in the same ball-park on cost (the land rover is slightly more) and milage (again the land rover has the higher miles).

I need it primarily as a towing vehicle to haul a 3.5 tonne horse box but it will also double up as my car since, while I have access to other vehicles, I tend to get territorial about cars, put all my "man stuff" in them, litter them with junk and do everything short of scent-mark the drivers seat!

I know it's a weird choice but I'd welcome your thoughts...

Dr. Robert · 6 March 2013, 06:30 AM

Which costs more to keep?
Service costs for a Porsche here in California are high.
I think a Land Rover is more appropriate for your location.

Pix · 6 March 2013, 06:35 AM

Had a Land Rover terrible, I would get a diesel again in a heart beat.

Grumpy Badger · 6 March 2013, 06:38 AM

Things like tyres for the porsche would likely be 4 or 5 times more than the Landy and it would probably drink even more than I do!

You're right about the Landy suiting where I live. On the other hand, though, because I'm so remote I have to do big milages to get anywhere... The porker would certainly be more comfortable, especially since I'm 6'3".

HRV · 6 March 2013, 06:42 AM

Come on Mark.......Tweed clad = land rover

bayerische · 6 March 2013, 06:44 AM

Mark. Porsche all the way.

It's will be nice to haul stuff around the farm, and very stylish in town too.

It really is a jack of all trades. Porsche has excellent quality too.

conrail · 6 March 2013, 06:48 AM

Oh man, two pretty awesome vehicles to be choosing from. For pure 4x4 I'd go with the Defender. Around here, those are pretty rare, whereas the Porsche is everywhere.

If you want some sportiness and luxury I'd go with the Porsche. Tough decision, though. For what you'd be using it for I'd lean towards the Defender?

Kingair · 6 March 2013, 07:34 AM

How about a Mercedes GL 450 ?

HAGOne

subtona · 6 March 2013, 07:54 AM

My two absolute favorite vehicles!

The porsche will handle the road and climate control better
Vs
the defender will handle the open air and lack of road better.......

They are both a blast to ride in their own ways.....

I have been back and forth 3 times, while writing this:-)

My first instinct was toward the Defender.

Cheers

Curious, here in the states the defender has great resale value, the porsche not as much..... How about your area?

Cru Jones · 6 March 2013, 07:54 AM

Interesting, Mark. I didn't know the Cayenne can tow?

The Land Rover is definitely more "authentic", for whatever that's worth.

But, points for German engineering.

Good luck with the choice!

Grumpy Badger · 6 March 2013, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by subtona

Curious, here in the states the defender has great resale value, the porsche not as much..... How about your area?

Exactly the same here... '01 Defender with 65k 2 grand more than than '07 Porche with 50k!?!

Grumpy Badger · 6 March 2013, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HRV

Come on Mark.......Tweed clad = land rover

Ya got me there!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

Interesting, Mark. I didn't know the Cayenne can tow?

The Land Rover is definitely more "authentic", for whatever that's worth.

I was surprised myself, there's precious few vehicles that can haul that weight and I was shocked to find a Porsche among their number.

It will probably be the Landy but WHY does the driving position have to be so bloody awful if you are over 6 feet tall?!?

darkside7 · 6 March 2013, 08:59 AM

How about an Audi Q7 tdi?

Grumpy Badger · 6 March 2013, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingair

How about a Mercedes GL 450 ?

HAGOne

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkside7

How about an Audi Q7 tdi?

Neither in the price range I'm looking at.

watchf · 6 March 2013, 09:37 AM

No Toyota Landcruiser?

bayerische · 6 March 2013, 04:55 PM

Mark, I think you would look good in the Marauder.

Kingair · 6 March 2013, 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grumpy Badger

Neither in the price range I'm looking at.

Are they so much more expensive compared to the 2 other ?

HAGOne

Rolexpilot · 6 March 2013, 05:11 PM

None of the SUVs discussed are adequate for pulling a 3.5 ton trailer. And that is ignoring their inordinately high maintenance costs.

You would be MUCH better served with a Suburban, and probably a 2500.

iLLGT2 · 6 March 2013, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bayerische

Mark. Porsche all the way.

It's will be nice to haul stuff around the farm, and very stylish in town too.

It really is a jack of all trades. Porsche has excellent quality too.

Agreed! Land rover won't be any cheaper really to fix or maintain either, no brainer for me

MonBK · 6 March 2013, 06:20 PM

Mark, have you checked the tounge weight allowance on the Cayenne, not ideal in my book?

Aqua fobic · 6 March 2013, 07:26 PM

Well I have to say go for a Landrover.
But go for the Discovery.
I bought a Discovery 3 last year (due to needing something to transport my oaf around) and was that impressed with it I went out and bought the Discovery 4 a few months later.

Landrover sent us on an off road day and what that thing can do is unbelievable.

I can tow things and not even know there behind me. The inside of the new Discoverys is similar to being in a Range Rover.
Combine this with being a genuine 7 seat vehicle and the amount of space inside the thing ill never go back.

Think back to all the snow and floods we had this year. Well with the Discovery it was like being out in an everyday car. Nothing stopped it and I mean nothing.
Over 1m of water! No problem straight through.
Going down steep snow and ice areas! No problem. Put it into hill decent and away it went.

daveathall · 6 March 2013, 09:24 PM

My heart says Porsche but my head says the Defender.

If it is to be used mainly for work I would choose the Defender, no doubt, it is easier and cheaper to maintain and service, it also would not need to go to a specialist dealer for servicing. We were always taught that a L/R when in low ratio would go any where, I have not seen anything in my experience to make me doubt that. If you dent a Landrover it just looks like everyone else's and adds character (Patina perhaps) Dent a Porsche and it costs lots of money and you will still have that gut wrenching feeling when you go to sleep and wake up for days to come. Parts for a L/R are dead easy and cheap to obtain. I would imagine that insurance for a Porsche would be ferociously expensive but don't know for sure.

Porsche is beautiful but the running costs (dont know how many miles to the gallon) servicing and repair are all a lot more than a L/R, also needs to be a specialist dealer to boot, for driving on metal roads only I would go for it, but sliding down muddy fields through gate posts with horses hooves flailing around, as well as mud on the beautiful carpets of the Porsche would be a nightmare and not worth the hassle IMHO.

Minor service for a Porsche Cayenne S £420

http://www.porschefixedpriceservice....er-models.aspx

Kingair · 6 March 2013, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveathall

My heart says Porsche but my head says the Defender.

x 2 . . . .

HAGOne

East Bay Rider · 6 March 2013, 10:09 PM

My impression is that your lifestyle would absolutely destroy the Porsche and it would never be worth anything to anyone ever again. For you I would say truck. The beefier the better. Full body on boxed ladder frame style, diesel, HD axles and brakes.
I remember you had a Jeep Grand Cherokee after your Nissan, do you still have it? Maybe use that as your car and get a real truck as described for the work otherwise just use the truck all around.

Grumpy Badger · 6 March 2013, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by East Bay Rider

My impression is that your lifestyle would absolutely destroy the Porsche and it would never be worth anything to anyone ever again. For you I would say truck. The beefier the better. Full body on boxed ladder frame style, diesel, HD axles and brakes.
I remember you had a Jeep Grand Cherokee after your Nissan, do you still have it? Maybe use that as your car and get a real truck as described for the work otherwise just use the truck all around.

The jeep... She died!

You're right, I'll end up caning the poor thing to death! Both the Landy and the Porsche I was looking at have gone... I'm off to look at a Mitsubishi L200 but it's not really rated to tow the weight I need (but neither was the Nissan...)

What I want is a big American pickup but a)they don't sell them in the uk and I'd have to get an import and b) they don't fit on our roads!

daveathall · 7 March 2013, 12:19 AM

Have a look Mark, all of our L/R and Bedfords/DAFS end up here.

http://www.mod-sales.com

Beek · 7 March 2013, 03:30 AM

One word: Porsche

Dan Pierce · 7 March 2013, 03:44 AM

I recently read the Land Rover had the worst reliability of any vehicle, the same reputation it's always had. Never owned one so don't have any firsthand knowledge.
dP

Adam. · 7 March 2013, 04:00 AM

Land Rover all the way.

Porsche is for 911's in my opinion.

gulfstream69xr7 · 7 March 2013, 04:21 AM

I would be very concerned towing nearly 8000lbs with a Porsche.

You can find Full size Fords all over the UK.

I got rid of my F150 and stepped up to a F250 when I had to pull a 9000lb trailer.

Your roads are tight, but an F250 will pull that trailer (and the invaluable commodity that will reside in it) effortlessly for years. Look for a preowned full sized diesel pick up with FWD and you will never regret it.

6 March 2013, 06:19 AM	#1
Grumpy Badger "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Mark Location: Bonny Scotland Watch: 14060M Sub (cosc) Posts: 5,280	A vehicular dilemma... I'm in the Market for a new (well, second hand but new to me) 4x4 but have reached an interesting dilemma... Two more diverse cars you couldn't wish to find but at the moment it has come down to a Land Rover Defender 90" X-Tech or a Porsche Cayenne S!?! They are in the same ball-park on cost (the land rover is slightly more) and milage (again the land rover has the higher miles). I need it primarily as a towing vehicle to haul a 3.5 tonne horse box but it will also double up as my car since, while I have access to other vehicles, I tend to get territorial about cars, put all my "man stuff" in them, litter them with junk and do everything short of scent-mark the drivers seat! I know it's a weird choice but I'd welcome your thoughts... __________________ Don't mind me. I'm full of scotch, bitterness and impure thoughts! "You have enemies? Good! That means you stood up for something, sometime in your life." Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill KG, OM, CH, TD, PC, DL, FRS.

6 March 2013, 06:30 AM	#2
Dr. Robert 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Bob Location: U.S.A. Watch: 1655 Posts: 64,325	Which costs more to keep? Service costs for a Porsche here in California are high. I think a Land Rover is more appropriate for your location. __________________ Founder & Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

6 March 2013, 06:38 AM	#4
Grumpy Badger "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Mark Location: Bonny Scotland Watch: 14060M Sub (cosc) Posts: 5,280	Things like tyres for the porsche would likely be 4 or 5 times more than the Landy and it would probably drink even more than I do! You're right about the Landy suiting where I live. On the other hand, though, because I'm so remote I have to do big milages to get anywhere... The porker would certainly be more comfortable, especially since I'm 6'3". __________________ Don't mind me. I'm full of scotch, bitterness and impure thoughts! "You have enemies? Good! That means you stood up for something, sometime in your life." Sir Winston Leonard Spencer-Churchill KG, OM, CH, TD, PC, DL, FRS.

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bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Mark. Porsche all the way. It's will be nice to haul stuff around the farm, and very stylish in town too. It really is a jack of all trades. Porsche has excellent quality too. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

6 March 2013, 06:48 AM	#7
conrail "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Boston Posts: 3,177	Oh man, two pretty awesome vehicles to be choosing from. For pure 4x4 I'd go with the Defender. Around here, those are pretty rare, whereas the Porsche is everywhere. If you want some sportiness and luxury I'd go with the Porsche. Tough decision, though. For what you'd be using it for I'd lean towards the Defender? __________________ "Oh, you give a f****' aspirin a headache, pal!"

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Pix "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: midwest Watch: SS Datejust Posts: 1,288	Had a Land Rover terrible, I would get a diesel again in a heart beat.

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HRV "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Andrew Location: johannesburg Watch: ROLEX Posts: 4,407	Come on Mark.......Tweed clad = land rover

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Kingair "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: USA Watch: Not enough ;-) Posts: 21,232	How about a Mercedes GL 450 ? HAGOne

6 March 2013, 07:54 AM	#9
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 26,602	My two absolute favorite vehicles! The porsche will handle the road and climate control better Vs the defender will handle the open air and lack of road better....... They are both a blast to ride in their own ways..... I have been back and forth 3 times, while writing this:-) My first instinct was toward the Defender. Cheers Curious, here in the states the defender has great resale value, the porsche not as much..... How about your area? __________________

6 March 2013, 07:54 AM	#10
Cru Jones 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 35,311	Interesting, Mark. I didn't know the Cayenne can tow? The Land Rover is definitely more "authentic", for whatever that's worth. But, points for German engineering. Good luck with the choice!

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darkside7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Austin Tx Watch: Sub-C Posts: 510	How about an Audi Q7 tdi? __________________

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watchf "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Australia Posts: 2,458	No Toyota Landcruiser?

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bayerische "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Andreas Location: Margaritaville Watch: Smurf Posts: 19,879	Mark, I think you would look good in the Marauder. __________________ Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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Rolexpilot Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: USA Posts: 157	None of the SUVs discussed are adequate for pulling a 3.5 ton trailer. And that is ignoring their inordinately high maintenance costs. You would be MUCH better served with a Suburban, and probably a 2500.

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MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,279	Mark, have you checked the tounge weight allowance on the Cayenne, not ideal in my book?

6 March 2013, 07:26 PM	#21
Aqua fobic Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Mark Location: UK now and again Watch: Seadweller Posts: 127	Well I have to say go for a Landrover. But go for the Discovery. I bought a Discovery 3 last year (due to needing something to transport my oaf around) and was that impressed with it I went out and bought the Discovery 4 a few months later. Landrover sent us on an off road day and what that thing can do is unbelievable. I can tow things and not even know there behind me. The inside of the new Discoverys is similar to being in a Range Rover. Combine this with being a genuine 7 seat vehicle and the amount of space inside the thing ill never go back. Think back to all the snow and floods we had this year. Well with the Discovery it was like being out in an everyday car. Nothing stopped it and I mean nothing. Over 1m of water! No problem straight through. Going down steep snow and ice areas! No problem. Put it into hill decent and away it went.

6 March 2013, 09:24 PM	#22
daveathall "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Dave Location: England. Watch: Various Posts: 7,305	My heart says Porsche but my head says the Defender. If it is to be used mainly for work I would choose the Defender, no doubt, it is easier and cheaper to maintain and service, it also would not need to go to a specialist dealer for servicing. We were always taught that a L/R when in low ratio would go any where, I have not seen anything in my experience to make me doubt that. If you dent a Landrover it just looks like everyone else's and adds character (Patina perhaps) Dent a Porsche and it costs lots of money and you will still have that gut wrenching feeling when you go to sleep and wake up for days to come. Parts for a L/R are dead easy and cheap to obtain. I would imagine that insurance for a Porsche would be ferociously expensive but don't know for sure. Porsche is beautiful but the running costs (dont know how many miles to the gallon) servicing and repair are all a lot more than a L/R, also needs to be a specialist dealer to boot, for driving on metal roads only I would go for it, but sliding down muddy fields through gate posts with horses hooves flailing around, as well as mud on the beautiful carpets of the Porsche would be a nightmare and not worth the hassle IMHO. Minor service for a Porsche Cayenne S £420 http://www.porschefixedpriceservice....er-models.aspx __________________ KINDEST REGARDS DAVE

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East Bay Rider "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: East Bay RI Watch: GMT-II 16710LN Posts: 12,074	My impression is that your lifestyle would absolutely destroy the Porsche and it would never be worth anything to anyone ever again. For you I would say truck. The beefier the better. Full body on boxed ladder frame style, diesel, HD axles and brakes. I remember you had a Jeep Grand Cherokee after your Nissan, do you still have it? Maybe use that as your car and get a real truck as described for the work otherwise just use the truck all around. __________________ I bought a cheap watch from the crazy man Floating down canal It doesn't use numbers or moving hands It always just says "now" Now you may be thinking that I was had But this watch is never wrong And if I have trouble the warranty said Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On J. Buffett Instagram: eastbayrider46

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Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 36,217	I recently read the Land Rover had the worst reliability of any vehicle, the same reputation it's always had. Never owned one so don't have any firsthand knowledge. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

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gulfstream69xr7 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Medford NJ Watch: TAG Rolex Posts: 948	I would be very concerned towing nearly 8000lbs with a Porsche. You can find Full size Fords all over the UK. I got rid of my F150 and stepped up to a F250 when I had to pull a 9000lb trailer. Your roads are tight, but an F250 will pull that trailer (and the invaluable commodity that will reside in it) effortlessly for years. Look for a preowned full sized diesel pick up with FWD and you will never regret it.

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