AP RO vs Patek Nautilus

[singe89]

I would like a real comparison between the AP 3120 and the Patek 324. Nautilus 5711 vs AP RO 15400.

The AP 3120 has 40 Jewels and 60 hour power reserve.

The Patek has 29 Jewels and 45 hour power reserve and non hacking.

Can we compare the + and - of these movements, jewels, balance bridges, shock systems, power reserve, accuracy, etc?

In terms of negatives I've heard of the 3120 having rebanking issues and the 324 having date change issues. What else are possible issues with these movements.

[tinger]

Small sample size, but my 5167 was dead on when worn 23.5 hrs straight whereas my 15450's 3120 is around +8

I think the beat rate has something to do with the difference in power reserve (?)

[DreambreaX]

AP RO

Patek has ugly design. only win by brand IMO. but when i say this, people will argue me.

why? because its PATEK, PATEK AND PATEK.

hahaha

[Puffy]

Originally Posted by DreambreaX

AP RO

Patek has ugly design. only win by brand IMO. but when i say this, people will argue me.

why? because its PATEK, PATEK AND PATEK.

hahaha

what makes you say patek is ugly?

both are great watches with great brand equity and they're designed by the same guy

[MP5]

Originally Posted by Puffy

what makes you say patek is ugly?

both are great watches with great brand equity and they're designed by the same guy

Glad I wasnt the only one scratching my head

[FeelingTheBlues]

If you want to compare their movements both will have their pros and cons but I think that overall they're both very well made, they may have some issues with some of them at times but I think it doesn't happen very often and unless you hit a lemon you will be just as satisfied with either one of them (I'm afraid I cannot really give you a full description and comparison though as I have never owned any of those).

I personally prefer the Nautilus but the RO design is a classic and looks great as well, it really depends on which one you prefer to see on your wrist.

Originally Posted by DreambreaX

AP RO

Patek has ugly design. only win by brand IMO. but when i say this, people will argue me.

why? because its PATEK, PATEK AND PATEK.

hahaha

Kind of contradictory, don't you think? You say that people argue with you with the mere fact that it's a Patek and yet you say that it only wins by the brand name...

I don't think anybody will force you to prefer the Nautilus to the RO, however, I don't see why you wouldn't be able to believe that some will think the opposite because they have different tastes and not because they only read the name on the dial.

[beshannon]

I am considering both these pieces.

The tough part is the wide price disparity between them. I like the looks of both but am leaning toward the Nautilus due to the thinner size.

I am guessing it will come down to what feels/looks best on my wrist

[scuba77]

I was in bond street store in london this weekend , seeking out 5167 on rubber and they had pre sold Nautilus which I was very kindly allowed to try as well as 5167 bracelet version which just arrived and 5164.
Being honest I expected more from Nautilus , the lightless of bracelet compared to the 15400 was very off putting and also wore alot smaller then thought. I really wanted to like this watch but still very undecided and to honest don't think there is room both RO and Nautilus in my collection.
I do like the aquanaut and think dial wears tiny bit bigger then nautilus , maybe my next pick up

[singe89]

The cost difference is the one of the reasons why I'm asking. Not that price ever makes sense in the world of high end luxury watches. The primary reason I'm asking is that I'm trying to learn more about movments and what makes one design better than the next.

On paper the RO with 3120 looks to be a better movement but the PP is almost 2x the price once you factor in the AP discount.

Is it all about the brand name? Most of us would agree that PP is a better name but AP is no slouch. Both companies are still independent, family owned and considered at the top of haute horology. Both watches were also designed by Genta but the RO is the original. I've compared both watches side by side (white 15400 to white dial 5711) and overall fit and finish seemed about equal.

I recently started saving up for a 5726 but thats a good amount of $$$ to spend on a SS watch.

[Vipes]

Originally Posted by singe89

The cost difference is the one of the reasons why I'm asking. Not that price ever makes sense in the world of high end luxury watches. The primary reason I'm asking is that I'm trying to learn more about movments and what makes one design better than the next.

On paper the RO with 3120 looks to be a better movement but the PP is almost 2x the price once you factor in the AP discount.

Is it all about the brand name? Most of us would agree that PP is a better name but AP is no slouch. Both companies are still independent, family owned and considered at the top of haute horology. Both watches were also designed by Genta but the RO is the original. I've compared both watches side by side (white 15400 to white dial 5711) and overall fit and finish seemed about equal.

I recently started saving up for a 5726 but thats a good amount of $$$ to spend on a SS watch.

I agree that both movements are well made. I don't have any experience with the 3120 movement but I do have the 5711. Seems very accurate so far. If you want to compare the whole package (movement, fit/finish, etc.) then it would be better to compare the AP 15202 to the PP 5711. I have a white AP 15202 and I may give the slight edge to the AP for fit and finish, imo.

[shnxx]

I like the 5711 more than the AP.
I don't like the way AP's lugs hang.

[kilyung]

Definitely need to be comparing the 15202 vs 5711/1A. The Nautilus just feels SO silky whereas the RO is more substantial feeling (which isn't saying much given the thinness of both watches). For me, they have different purposes so both have a place in any collection.

[AK797]

Both mvmnts are very solid but I prefer the gold rotor of the 15400 RO, and as for size I find the Naut a little small and too light, I prefer a watch with a bit more presence and weight esp if Im spending over £10K then I want to know Im really wearing it! Its also why I now prefer a gold GMTC to a gold ceramic Daytona.

[kilyung]

Originally Posted by AK797

Both mvmnts are very solid but I prefer the gold rotor of the 15400 RO, and as for size I find the Naut a little small and too light, I prefer a watch with a bit more presence and weight esp if Im spending over £10K then I want to know Im really wearing it! Its also why I now prefer a gold GMTC to a gold ceramic Daytona.

Neil, you need the full RG 15400 or 15202 my friend.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by kilyung

Neil, you need the full RG 15400 or 15202 my friend.

The plan is the GMTc YG on bracelet and the 400 RG on brown leather. One gold bracelet is enough for me. If the ceramic Daytona comes out on bracelet then that too maybe.

[Glenn422]

Just to add something into the mix but I would compare the price first. When I was buying the 26320, i had a little search around first. I always thought that the 15400 is about the same price as the 5711 (both stainless, both 3 hand, AP vs Patek) Well I was wrong. the price was different by a huge margin! In fact, my 5167 (rubber, 3 hand) is still more than my 26320! (chronograph, bracelet). Just wanted to make you aware that these two have different price points :)

Now if price is not a problem, I think I'll go with a 5711. :) Movement-wise I think the 3120 is more reputable. I love how the rotor looks. Yes the 324 in my 5167 doesn't change date precisely at 12 but this is a common thing with many wrist watches.