No more Invictas wanted here

[JIM-]

Will never buy another.

[dman]

I don't disagree, but what happened?

[JIM-]

If I go into the long story I'd be a basher, and I may do that later. So let me just say this QUALITY is greatly lacking.

[dman]

Fair enough!! But you are not breaking any big news with that.

[JIM-]

Yea I know just wanted to vent my feelings. I've bought and sold just about every Prodiver there is and not one has made me want to keep it. Its always something with those.

[Rockrolex]

I wouldn't want to say, Glad you finally saw the light, Jim, so I won't say it.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by JIM

Will never buy another.

So I guess you beat the living sh!t out of it, uh?

[MathewJ]

Mine sits in a drawer now as I no longer wear it, however for the $90 or so I spent on it I find it hard to complain about...sure some things aren't great, but it still remains much better than virtually every other sub $100 watch I have owned.

Heck you can spend any amount and find constant quality issues with any brand...even with Rolex such as these....



Top left, pay attention to the "M" in master..

Top right, check out the finish on the lug on that Anniversary Sub

Middle left, a Turn O Graph that is completely missing the text from the dial

Middle right, that's some nice lume work there on an explorer

Bottom an anniversary submariner in which they installed a standard minute hand

My favorite has to be the TOG though as that is pretty blatant, all of these pieces were new never worn and straight from Rolex.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by MathewJ

Mine sits in a drawer now as I no longer wear it, however for the $90 or so I spent on it I find it hard to complain about...sure some things aren't great, but it still remains much better than virtually every other sub $100 watch I have owned.

Another "mistake" in the drawer, Mathew?

[MathewJ]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Another "mistake" in the drawer, Mathew?

Thats soon to be my Sub.

[JJ Irani]

Hey Mathew,

Did you actually buy all those defective Rollies? WOW!! You would by all prevailing laws of probabilities be the unluckiest man alive as far as Rollies are concerned. Now I can fully relate with your gripe against them.

That TOG is an absolute shocker!! Never seen anything like it....never!!

[MathewJ]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Hey Mathew,

Did you actually buy all those defective Rollies? WOW!! You would by all prevailing laws of probabilities be the unluckiest man alive as far as Rollies are concerned. Now I can fully relate with your gripe against them.

That TOG is an absolute shocker!! Never seen anything like it....never!!

Hello JJ,

Luckily no, I don't own any of those...I have pictures of my issues and they pale in comparison to that but none the less they are still there. I have done a good deal of looking about at other Rolex pieces to see if inconsistency is common with their finish and have found that it seems to be, at least in the area of lug finish, namely the brushed tops...I don't know why, but it appears that this can vary slightly to very greatly...doesn't make much sense..but having seen those images I posted helps to clarify the situation, I mean if they really are able to let a Dial like that Turn O graphs through their quality control, or an Anniversary sub with the wrong minute hand then anything is possible.

I have read countless stories of other owners that share similar tales, I wish I had started saving these images before as I had come across some other good ones.

To put this back on topic if issues such as these can and do happen with Rolex then I am more than willing to let a brand like invicta slide given their low price point (at least for the models I have owned)

[dman]

For the same price range, the Seiko BM would kick the crap out of an Invicted all day long.

[dman]

Originally Posted by MathewJ

Hello JJ,

Luckily no, I don't own any of those...I have pictures of my issues and they pale in comparison to that but none the less they are still there. I have done a good deal of looking about at other Rolex pieces to see if inconsistency is common with their finish and have found that it seems to be, at least in the area of lug finish, namely the brushed tops...I don't know why, but it appears that this can vary slightly to very greatly...doesn't make much sense..but having seen those images I posted helps to clarify the situation, I mean if they really are able to let a Dial like that Turn O graphs through their quality control, or an Anniversary sub with the wrong minute hand then anything is possible.

I have read countless stories of other owners that share similar tales, I wish I had started saving these images before as I had come across some other good ones.

To put this back on topic if issues such as these can and do happen with Rolex then I am more than willing to let a brand like invicta slide given their low price point (at least for the models I have owned)

Mathew, do you think this is strictly a Rolex issue? I just read two threads in the last week about guys opening up their BNIB Pannies to wind the watch and the fricking crown ended up in their hand. One of the watches, was a $10,000 dollar watch that was getting it's virginal winding.

QC problems go way beyond Rolex. Hell Panerai makes less than a eighth of the watches Rolex makes. But I would still buy either brand if the watch struck me to do so.

[Gedanken]

Uh, not to state it too obviously, but go and see the watch in person, and if you're happy with it, pony up. Otherwise, forget it. Doesn't get any simpler than that.

[JJ Irani]

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Uh, not to state it too obviously, but go and see the watch in person, and if you're happy with it, pony up. Otherwise, forget it. Doesn't get any simpler than that.

...and that's exactly the SAME BLOODY TUNE I've been singing to Mathew all this time....just check out the watch BEFORE you put down the cash...it's as easy as that. Take all the time in the world you have to at the AD. I do it every bloody time....works for me (after I had that one bad experience last year with the white Exp-II).

JJ

[MathewJ]

Originally Posted by dman

Mathew, do you think this is strictly a Rolex issue? I just read two threads in the last week about guys opening up their BNIB Pannies to wind the watch and the fricking crown ended up in their hand. One of the watches, was a $10,000 dollar watch that was getting it's virginal winding.

QC problems go way beyond Rolex. Hell Panerai makes less than a eighth of the watches Rolex makes. But I would still buy either brand if the watch struck me to do so.

Dman in this regard I do think it is strictly a Rolex issue as these are blatant visual quality control issues, at least the problems you describe (while unacceptable) are mechanical and possibly harder to detect, plus who knows what happened at the dealer or in transit.

All of which I have pictured are pretty blatant, and something I have never seen reported with any other brand on the net, unique to Rolex.

With the case of the Turn O Graph dial one has to figure they do their dials in runs so likely there are more than a few of these floating around, just happens one got into the hands of an enthusiast.

[MathewJ]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

...and that's exactly the SAME BLOODY TUNE I've been singing to Mathew all this time....just check out the watch BEFORE you put down the cash...it's as easy as that. Take all the time in the world you have to at the AD. I do it every bloody time....works for me (after I had that one bad experience last year with the white Exp-II).

JJ

You can do this though and still end up with something, it isn't possible in my opinion to be as critical at a dealer as it is once it is in your hands...heck I looked my current watch over for upwards of 20 minutes in the dealer and thought I caught everything with it and didn't notice my issue until four months later as I was preoccupied with other things.

Should I buy another new watch, and if by chance it happens to be a Rolex I am buying from a place with a good return policy and not wearing it until I check it out until said return policy is up, then if I happen to miss something it is on me....my mistake was wearing the watch out of the store, should have just kept it in the box.

Is it groundhog day?

[BruceS]

Originally Posted by MathewJ

Hello JJ,

Luckily no, I don't own any of those...I have pictures of my issues and they pale in comparison to that but none the less they are still there. I have done a good deal of looking about at other Rolex pieces to see if inconsistency is common with their finish and have found that it seems to be, at least in the area of lug finish, namely the brushed tops...I don't know why, but it appears that this can vary slightly to very greatly...doesn't make much sense..but having seen those images I posted helps to clarify the situation, I mean if they really are able to let a Dial like that Turn O graphs through their quality control, or an Anniversary sub with the wrong minute hand then anything is possible.

I have read countless stories of other owners that share similar tales, I wish I had started saving these images before as I had come across some other good ones.

To put this back on topic if issues such as these can and do happen with Rolex then I am more than willing to let a brand like invicta slide given their low price point (at least for the models I have owned)

Matthew, I honestly think that you are just looking for evidence to back up your own disappointment. If you want to find it you can. I could do the same with Omega or Breitling too. I had a hell of a lot worse problem with an Omega than you've had with Rolex, but I'm not posting how crap Omega is at every opportunity, because they aren't crap and neither is Rolex. Shite happens man and you should really just get over it. Your bitching is getting really old. If you dislike Rolex so damn much then why the hell are you hanging out here if for nothing but to complain. You aren't changing any minds here, and I for one am finished reading your posts!

[Charlie]

Originally Posted by MathewJ

You can do this though and still end up with something, it isn't possible in my opinion to be as critical at a dealer as it is once it is in your hands...heck I looked my current watch over for upwards of 20 minutes in the dealer and thought I caught everything with it and didn't notice my issue until four months later as I was preoccupied with other things.

Should I buy another new watch, and if by chance it happens to be a Rolex I am buying from a place with a good return policy and not wearing it until I check it out until said return policy is up, then if I happen to miss something it is on me....my mistake was wearing the watch out of the store, should have just kept it in the box.

Mathew ,You sound just like my wife , she goes on and on and on and on....................

[MathewJ]

Originally Posted by BruceS

Matthew, I honestly think that you are just looking for evidence to back up your own disappointment. If you want to find it you can. I could do the same with Omega or Breitling too. I had a hell of a lot worse problem with an Omega than you've had with Rolex, but I'm not posting how crap Omega is at every opportunity, because they aren't crap and neither is Rolex. Shite happens man and you should really just get over it. Your bitching is getting really old. If you dislike Rolex so damn much then why the hell are you hanging out here if for nothing but to complain. You aren't changing any minds here, and I for one am finished reading your posts!

This is seriously turning into a thread hijack which was not the intent, merly pointing out that quality problems happen no matter what the price point and with certain brands they are more prevalent than with others....on the low end I wouldn't be surprised if Invicta had issues, I had one out of four which wasn't the best as the dial moved in the case with setting time...but on the high end with Rolex I have had two for two which aren't great either.

Originally Posted by MathewJ

This is seriously turning into a thread hijack which was not the intent, merly pointing out that quality problems happen no matter what the price point and with certain brands they are more prevalent than with others....on the low end I wouldn't be surprised if Invicta had issues, I had one out of four which wasn't the best as the dial moved in the case with setting time...but on the high end with Rolex I have had two for two which aren't great either.

Nice backpedalling. I think we all understand your stance on your experience with Rolex, and Bruce hit the nail on the head. Others have had worse experiences than you with other brands, but they don't bash that brand at every opportunity. It seems every post you make you drone on about how Rolex QC sucks. Most of us have not had any issue with Rolex. The horse is dead, so stop beating it.

Thanks!

[MathewJ]

Originally Posted by Charlie

Mathew ,You sound just like my wife , she goes on and on and on and on....................

Maybe I have been reading on such forums for too long but I have seen this thread play out literally hundreds of times before, you will have someone come in and complain about the quality and or consistency of a budget brand like Invicta and the forum participants will proceed to rip said brand apart because they don't like the fact that some designs are serious copies of their favorites...yet when issues are mentioned surrounding their favorite brand they will give said company the free pass and suggest that people should scrutinize the pieces prior to purchase, justifying the companies lax quality control by citing yearly production figures, or the fact that others make mistakes as well, or that with mass production nothing is ever perfect...fact is the same or similar comments that are leveled against Invicta can be made against any brand including Rolex.

Originally Posted by MathewJ

fact is the same or similar comments that are leveled against Invicta can be made against any brand including Rolex.

We all realize this and accept it. However, the fact is, in every post you make, you bring up how bad Rolex's QC is. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience, but get over it. Frankly, many, if not all of us here are tired of reading the same story of woe you put in every post.

[MathewJ]

Originally Posted by Atomic

Nice backpedalling. I think we all understand your stance on your experience with Rolex, and Bruce hit the nail on the head. Others have had worse experiences than you with other brands, but they don't bash that brand at every opportunity. It seems every post you make you drone on about how Rolex QC sucks. Most of us have not had any issue with Rolex. The horse is dead, so stop beating it.

Thanks!

I am guessing you never bothered to actually read my initial entry into this thread?

Regarding Rolex so because "most of you on the forum" haven't had an issue with their quality control lacking then of course the issue should be dead right? sorry but if we are going to give a pass to one company then what makes it ok to slam another as is the intent of this thread.

[MathewJ]

Originally Posted by Atomic

We all realize this and accept it. However, the fact is, in every post you make, you bring up how bad Rolex's QC is. Sorry to hear you had a bad experience, but get over it. Frankly, many, if not all of us here are tired of reading the same story of woe you put in every post.

My first post in this thread stated that I owned an Invicta and couldn't come to the same conclusions as the author, I then proceeded to point out that even a high end brand can make mistakes...it wasn't until people started directing personal comments to me about said remark that the direction shifted...check what was posted and you will see this was the course of the thread...

It is not my fault that I post an image that people here find to contain disturbing content and then want to redirect the subject onto my personal experience.

And also not once but twice I noted that this thread was in danger of going off topic and tried to steer the direction back to the issue at hand.

Well Matthew when you post this:

"Luckily no, I don't own any of those...I have pictures of my issues and they pale in comparison to that but none the less they are still there. I have done a good deal of looking about at other Rolex pieces to see if inconsistency is common with their finish and have found that it seems to be, at least in the area of lug finish, namely the brushed tops...I don't know why, but it appears that this can vary slightly to very greatly...doesn't make much sense..but having seen those images I posted helps to clarify the situation, I mean if they really are able to let a Dial like that Turn O graphs through their quality control, or an Anniversary sub with the wrong minute hand then anything is possible.
I have read countless stories of other owners that share similar tales, I wish I had started saving these images before as I had come across some other good ones."

... you're beating the same dead horse. Your marathon posts from last week droned on and on about how bad Rolex is and how much you don't like your sub. WE GET IT, now more on.

If you hate your Sub so much, and have such disdain for Rolex, why do you continue to post on a Rolex forum? Sell the watch, accept the minor loss and buy something you like. I'm really tired of your posts and this is the last one I'll make to anything you chose to post in the future. In my eyes, you're trolling.

[MathewJ]

Originally Posted by Atomic

Well Matthew when you post this:

"Luckily no, I don't own any of those...I have pictures of my issues and they pale in comparison to that but none the less they are still there. I have done a good deal of looking about at other Rolex pieces to see if inconsistency is common with their finish and have found that it seems to be, at least in the area of lug finish, namely the brushed tops...I don't know why, but it appears that this can vary slightly to very greatly...doesn't make much sense..but having seen those images I posted helps to clarify the situation, I mean if they really are able to let a Dial like that Turn O graphs through their quality control, or an Anniversary sub with the wrong minute hand then anything is possible.
I have read countless stories of other owners that share similar tales, I wish I had started saving these images before as I had come across some other good ones."

... you're beating the same dead horse. Your marathon posts from last week droned on and on about how bad Rolex is and how much you don't like your sub. WE GET IT, now more on.

If you hate your Sub so much, and have such disdain for Rolex, why do you continue to post on a Rolex forum? Sell the watch, accept the minor loss and buy something you like. I'm really tired of your posts and this is the last one I'll make to anything you chose to post in the future. In my eyes, you're trolling.

Again you quote a response to a directed remark...did I mention this in my first post to the original author? ....no, this was directed to someone's personal comment that inquired about the images to which I answered how I came upon them...it is not my fault that someone asked something directly of me in this thread which seemed as if it required a response.

As far as the latter portion of your post I hardly would call the $1000 loss minor, if it were I would be done with it by now, but again this has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

As far as my watch since you made a statement, I don't hate my sub I am just displeased with the company and their attitude and also with the owners who are ready and willing even having had negative experiences in the past themselves to give the company a free pass on this and instead doing the companies job for them by performing quality control at the dealership. If this were any other brand and any other forum I can assure you the responses would be much different.

[JIM-]

[QUOTE=MathewJ]My first post in this thread stated that I owned an Invicta and couldn't come to the same conclusions as the author

I'm not bashing just stating my opinion with Invicta. Sure there are good ones out there too and yes some of the other companys make mistake also, but Invicta makes the same mistake over and over and over. I've never known another brand to have such a lack in QC. I can buy 20 Seikos and I'd be willing to bet every single one will not have a problem or I can buy 20 Invictas and have maybe 2 good ones.

Well heres my conclusions which I've also posted elsewhere, again this is my opinion and observations of the ones I've owned.

The 99xx series (Swiss Auto) while it does have sel and solid bracelet links, I can't stand the use of the screw/tube which hold the bracelet the the case, just a very poor design in my opinion. Also almost every model I've owned has a different size date window magnifier and different date fonts the worst being the 9938A and the best being the 9937A. While the ETA movement is just fine I can't get past the poor bracelet attachment and Invictas lack of customer service after the sale, in all fairness this CS varies from customer to customer.

The 89xx series (Japan Auto) the movement doesn't hack which is a big turn off to me, others are not bothered by this, but me I hate it. The Miyota movement runs way to fast infact so fast its silly and from what I understand is difficult to regulate. I realize that the movement isn't the best but a watch that gains upward of +20/sec a day is useless to me. Also its been pointed out by many that often this series has date alignment problems with the magnifier not to mention the date magnifier hardly works at all, and the lack of a properly aligned bezel which needs a wrench to be turned. I know its a very inexpensive watch but a few improvements would go a long way for Invicta.

The 93xx series (Swiss Quartz) very much like the 89xx series as far as bracelet and case are concerned and again a different size date magnifier is used which is just little better the the 89xx's but not even close to the 99xx's. The biggest problem is the movement is not tight, what I mean by this is that the second hand will move on the dial when the watch is moved, its a very slight movement but still it moves, I find this to be a sign of a weak sloppy movement.

I could go on and on about what others have said good and bad, for me I'm looking now for long term watches not short term gratification from a knock off brand.