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Fatso · 1 February 2008, 03:28 PM

So what's the deal with this auction? The guy 'appears' legit, but the pictures of the watch look just like those from Rolex24h.com

Sub LV - Ebay

Rolex24h.com

And these look like the exact same guy!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180200269546
http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Submariner...QQcmdZViewItem

Poor guy
http://www.complaintsboard.com/compl...4h-c44242.html

jasonbellevue · 1 February 2008, 04:03 PM

It looks to me that the Auctions on Ebay you've given as an example are legitimate and that Rolex24h.com is the FRAUDSTER and the one copying the pictures from the auctions. In fact I've seen some of the beautiful pictures posted here on TRF, used on fraudulent sites.

tonelar · 1 February 2008, 04:24 PM

remember folks shop the seller...

CPCC · 1 February 2008, 04:24 PM

Ditto

marshallr47 · 1 February 2008, 07:59 PM

I agree with tonelar on this one.

Alcan · 1 February 2008, 08:52 PM

Topnotch-Watch has been around for a while and is a legit seller.

Rolex24h.com, on the other hand, is a Russian scam site which uses "borrowed" pix. Here's their info yet again:

Registration Service Provided By: PETERHOST.RU
Contact: +7.8123477743
Website: http://peterhost.ru/

Domain Name: ROLEX24H.COM

Registrant:
N/A
Vasiliy Samsonov ([email protected])
Dmitrovskoe shosse d 29. kv 159
Moskow
Moskovskaya oblast,200214
RU
Tel. +007.4955297491
Fax. +007.4955297491

Creation Date: 25-Dec-2006
Expiration Date: 25-Dec-2008

Domain servers in listed order:
ns1.peterhost.ru
ns2.peterhost.ru

Administrative Contact:
Peterhost.Ru
Dmitry Kostykhin ([email protected])
ul Professora Popova, 37B
Saint-Petersburg
Leningradskaya oblast,197376
RU
Tel. +007.3477743
Fax. +007.3477743

Technical Contact:
Peterhost.Ru
Dmitry Kostykhin ([email protected])
ul Professora Popova, 37B
Saint-Petersburg
Leningradskaya oblast,197376
RU
Tel. +007.3477743
Fax. +007.3477743

Billing Contact:
Peterhost.Ru
Dmitry Kostykhin ([email protected])
ul Professora Popova, 37B
Saint-Petersburg
Leningradskaya oblast,197376
RU
Tel. +007.3477743
Fax. +007.3477743

Status:ACTIVE

Robb · 1 February 2008, 08:56 PM

Topnotch-Watch is legit!!!

SPACE-DWELLER · 1 February 2008, 10:45 PM

It always pays to WatchOut.

Cyberpipm2000 · 2 February 2008, 04:45 AM

while ebay is okay for the most part, I just prefer to buy new or used rolex's from stores I can actually go back to if there are any other problems.. saving a couple hundred dollars is not worth the problems or risk in the long run...

But I also never buy used watches because i can never deal with scratches i know i didnt put there myself!!

I have purchased a couple rolex's off ebay in the past, they came and they were real, but they are never as described. One seller I purchased my LV sub from a couple years ago goes by the name "generalwar" You guy's might have seen him on ebay with his masterpiece rolex for 180 grand that has not sold but sure is sharp... Well the picture he had up was of a LV sub and that is what I got, but it was not the same as pictured.. It's turn's out he uses mostly the same pictures for different watches he put's up as the watch I recieved did not have the side case stickers or clasp sticker. all it had was the hologram and protective sticker over it but had a lot of lint stuck under as it had been worn for a bit, but it did not have any major scratches.. a couple but nothing to go crazy about. it was also missing one link as i found out later... I kept my mouth shut and dealed with it but that was the last watch i bought from ebay. I paid $6000 for the LV sub back in 2003 back when they were very very hard to get, so I was expecting a better deal than the one he gave me, but it's water under the bridge, I received 4500 on it as a trade in when i bought my breitling in florida. So this is why i try to steer clear of ebay when it comes to watches..

Cyberpipm2000 · 2 February 2008, 03:09 PM

anyone ever here of the seller generalwar on ebay?

Damavand · 2 February 2008, 03:23 PM

Now that is an eye opener for a newbie like me.....

I am not going to touch an ebay Rolex....but to understand the remifications of a fraud case, let's say this guy pays 3 grand for a fake on the ebay and pays through PayPal.....I don't have much of experinece with them but how much of that lost 3 grand would or could be recovered from ebay or Paypal...??? how about if it was paid by a credit card...?? whould you have any fraud protection by them..???

newbie inquiery minds want to know...!!!! (and get to know the pit falls....)

Earl Camembert · 2 February 2008, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Damavandd

Now that is an eye opener for a newbie like me.....

I am not going to touch an ebay Rolex....but to understand the remifications of a fraud case, let's say this guy pays 3 grand for a fake on the ebay and pays through PayPal.....I don't have much of experinece with them but how much of that lost 3 grand would or could be recovered from ebay or Paypal...??? how about if it was paid by a credit card...?? whould you have any fraud protection by them..???

newbie inquiery minds want to know...!!!! (and get to know the pit falls....)

Very few FleeBay sellers have merchant CC accounts as the charge backs would kill them. If you pay with PayPan using a CC and do a charge back with your CC Company PayPan will cancel your account. FleeBay and PayPan are the same company. FleeBay is a good garage sale not a good high end store. A seller can’t make enough money scamming items under $100 and the risk is not worth in.

1 February 2008, 03:28 PM	#1
Fatso "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: Montreal Watch: GMT 1675 Posts: 129	Heads up So what's the deal with this auction? The guy 'appears' legit, but the pictures of the watch look just like those from Rolex24h.com Sub LV - Ebay Rolex24h.com And these look like the exact same guy! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=180200269546 http://cgi.ebay.com/Rolex-Submariner...QQcmdZViewItem Poor guy http://www.complaintsboard.com/compl...4h-c44242.html

1 February 2008, 04:03 PM	#2
jasonbellevue "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Jason Location: at home Posts: 5,098	It looks to me that the Auctions on Ebay you've given as an example are legitimate and that Rolex24h.com is the FRAUDSTER and the one copying the pictures from the auctions. In fact I've seen some of the beautiful pictures posted here on TRF, used on fraudulent sites. __________________

1 February 2008, 04:24 PM	#3
tonelar "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Tony Location: san francisco Watch: Seadweller Posts: 1,368	remember folks shop the seller... __________________ It's a rarity that something popular is actually right... Wear 'em with PRIDE, y'all.

1 February 2008, 04:24 PM	#4
CPCC "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: USA Posts: 1,857	Ditto __________________

1 February 2008, 07:59 PM	#5
marshallr47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Ron Location: Alabama Watch: Daytona,TT Sub,GMT Posts: 4,673	I agree with tonelar on this one. __________________ Ron

1 February 2008, 08:52 PM	#6
Alcan 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Al Location: Way Up North Watch: your P's & Q's Posts: 10,473	Topnotch-Watch has been around for a while and is a legit seller. Rolex24h.com, on the other hand, is a Russian scam site which uses "borrowed" pix. Here's their info yet again: Registration Service Provided By: PETERHOST.RU Contact: +7.8123477743 Website: http://peterhost.ru/ Domain Name: ROLEX24H.COM Registrant: N/A Vasiliy Samsonov ([email protected]) Dmitrovskoe shosse d 29. kv 159 Moskow Moskovskaya oblast,200214 RU Tel. +007.4955297491 Fax. +007.4955297491 Creation Date: 25-Dec-2006 Expiration Date: 25-Dec-2008 Domain servers in listed order: ns1.peterhost.ru ns2.peterhost.ru Administrative Contact: Peterhost.Ru Dmitry Kostykhin ([email protected]) ul Professora Popova, 37B Saint-Petersburg Leningradskaya oblast,197376 RU Tel. +007.3477743 Fax. +007.3477743 Technical Contact: Peterhost.Ru Dmitry Kostykhin ([email protected]) ul Professora Popova, 37B Saint-Petersburg Leningradskaya oblast,197376 RU Tel. +007.3477743 Fax. +007.3477743 Billing Contact: Peterhost.Ru Dmitry Kostykhin ([email protected]) ul Professora Popova, 37B Saint-Petersburg Leningradskaya oblast,197376 RU Tel. +007.3477743 Fax. +007.3477743 Status:ACTIVE __________________ Member #1,315 I don't want to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol IS a solution!

1 February 2008, 08:56 PM	#7
Robb 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Robb Location: USA Watch: BLNR Posts: 4,939	Topnotch-Watch is legit!!! __________________ 126610LN l 166610LV l 126619LB l 116710BLNR l 126710BLRO l 126720VTNR l 126718GRNR l 116500 white l 116500 black l 116508 john mayer l 116519LN l 116503 white l 126655 l 226627 Ti Master l 116518LN

1 February 2008, 10:45 PM	#8
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	It always pays to WatchOut. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

2 February 2008, 04:45 AM	#9
Cyberpipm2000 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: JD Location: chicago Watch: Bluesy Posts: 107	while ebay is okay for the most part, I just prefer to buy new or used rolex's from stores I can actually go back to if there are any other problems.. saving a couple hundred dollars is not worth the problems or risk in the long run... But I also never buy used watches because i can never deal with scratches i know i didnt put there myself!! I have purchased a couple rolex's off ebay in the past, they came and they were real, but they are never as described. One seller I purchased my LV sub from a couple years ago goes by the name "generalwar" You guy's might have seen him on ebay with his masterpiece rolex for 180 grand that has not sold but sure is sharp... Well the picture he had up was of a LV sub and that is what I got, but it was not the same as pictured.. It's turn's out he uses mostly the same pictures for different watches he put's up as the watch I recieved did not have the side case stickers or clasp sticker. all it had was the hologram and protective sticker over it but had a lot of lint stuck under as it had been worn for a bit, but it did not have any major scratches.. a couple but nothing to go crazy about. it was also missing one link as i found out later... I kept my mouth shut and dealed with it but that was the last watch i bought from ebay. I paid $6000 for the LV sub back in 2003 back when they were very very hard to get, so I was expecting a better deal than the one he gave me, but it's water under the bridge, I received 4500 on it as a trade in when i bought my breitling in florida. So this is why i try to steer clear of ebay when it comes to watches..

2 February 2008, 03:09 PM	#10
Cyberpipm2000 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: JD Location: chicago Watch: Bluesy Posts: 107	anyone ever here of the seller generalwar on ebay?

2 February 2008, 03:23 PM	#11
Damavand "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Arizona, USA. Watch: Your Six...!!!.... Posts: 207	Now that is an eye opener for a newbie like me..... I am not going to touch an ebay Rolex....but to understand the remifications of a fraud case, let's say this guy pays 3 grand for a fake on the ebay and pays through PayPal.....I don't have much of experinece with them but how much of that lost 3 grand would or could be recovered from ebay or Paypal...??? how about if it was paid by a credit card...?? whould you have any fraud protection by them..??? newbie inquiery minds want to know...!!!! (and get to know the pit falls....)

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