How to become a trusted seller

[mmusa]

Hi everyone

Through my reading in the forum I realized that the prices of the brand new rolexes in our AD in Saudi arabia are much more cheaper comparing to your prices for example I got My BLNR with exact 8000$ with no discount.

So, what do you think guys is there any potintial for me to be a trusted seller here in the forum.

What I can do is that, any one want to buy a new rolex check the price with his AD and then I can tell him/her the price here in saudi arabia.

If it is good price I can arrange the purchaising and the shipping through fidex after reciving the money.


This is just an Idea of mine

Please give your opinion and thoughts.


Thank you very much

[HL65]

First off you are not a pledge member so there is first problem. Secondly you are new here with no history. Thirdly you can't import Rolex into US so that kills any luck here. Lastly I would never do business nor recommend anyone do business with an unknown here. Why would anyone take a chance when there are sellers here who are very well known and trusted with pages and pages of history and references. So for me never...Sorry but that is my candid/honest opinion since you ask for it.

[jk88]

A good way to build trust would be through eBay.

Also, I can't stress this enough: TAKE GOOD PHOTOS

There's nothing sketchier than a seller who posts poor quality photos.*

*This isn't directed at anyone. I'm simply saying that, in general, good photos will give prospective buyers an accurate "feel" of the item they're considering.

[Cc1966]

Sorry Mohammed, but customs rules (U.S.) and your lack of solid references are going to be major problems. Ebay perhaps....(?), or follow the rules here and start slow and see how it goes. Good luck.

[aztral]

If your prices are lower than other sellers you will probably get some buyers. Build a reputation over time. It won't be easy.

[bayerische]

All of EU would be hit with the country's VAT about 19-25% plus customs fee.

[mmusa]

Originally Posted by SteelerFan65

First off you are not a pledge member so there is first problem. Secondly you are new here with no history. Thirdly you can't import Rolex into US so that kills any luck here. Lastly I would never do business nor recommend anyone do business with an unknown here. Why would anyone take a chance when there are sellers here who are very well known and trusted with pages and pages of history and references. So for me never...Sorry but that is my candid/honest opinion since you ask for it.

Thank you very much for your opinion


First, all these trusted and the well known that you mentioned started there business from zero.

Second, as I mentioned above my advantage is that I will offer a compitative price comparing to what i have seen here in the forum.

Third, and this is for my knowledge only, why it is not allow to import rolex watches to US.


Last thing, and this for all of you the reason of this thread is trying to start a business and extra income for me beside the good price for those who want to buy from me.



Thank you very much

[bayerische]

I don't think we can really help you, you should start and see how it goes.

Rolex USA has forbidden import of Rolex watches into the USA by anyone else than Rolex USA. They have US Customs in on it, so it's a HUGE risk to buy from abroad.

[samsam]

It's not a good business plan you have there. Even if you would like to ship to other places than the US, I wouldn't recommend it. I got my watches BNIB from a Middle East AD with a great discount, and barely made a deal that's marginally better than what trusted sellers sell for. For newer releases, it might be a different story, but I would still advise against it. I know Al Attar and know he gives good prices, but it's a lot of work for not so good profit. Good luck.


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[mmusa]

Thank you all for your replies and informative discussion

[HL65]

Originally Posted by mmusa

Thank you very much for your opinion


First, all these trusted and the well known that you mentioned started there business from zero.

** First you are correct and for me I would never have dealt with them while they were cutting their teeth and new to business as I would only deal with people with long history and pristine reputations.

Second, as I mentioned above my advantage is that I will offer a compitative price comparing to what i have seen here in the forum.

**It seems members here looking for deals and shopping price with sellers with little feedback are the ones who always start "I have been scammed threads" in our WatchOut section. Not saying you are a scammer but that is what they all have in common...little to no feedback and better prices.

Third, and this is for my knowledge only, why it is not allow to import rolex watches to US.

** Rolex USA has laws that include patent or copyright infringement for any watch entering USA. They can have all such watches confiscated and seller assumes all risk and liability. Members here have had to deal with their attorneys including me and beg to get money back which I did thankfully before I knew about such laws.

Last thing, and this for all of you the reason of this thread is trying to start a business and extra income for me beside the good price for those who want to buy from me.

**Good luck to you and for me as I said in my previous thread I will never gamble on a new seller even if price was 20% less. I pay for safety and comfort of dealing with the best if not biting from my AD. That takes worry and fear out and eliminates risk which at this point in life I won't game,blue to save a few bucks.


Thank you very much

Best of luck!

[joe100]

Honestly, if you're asking these questions it's probably not going to be a fit for you. The access to grey market wholesale new and used watches is what your need to establish first. No one here with those connections will help you because it'd undercut their business.

[Welshwatchman]

Just in case you didn't see the red writing above ....

It's really not a good idea.

1. Risk of forfeiture at USA customs.
2. Added cost of VAT plus handling to Europe. (20%+).
3. Good luck in getting ANYONE to wire $8000+ to a newbie in any case.

[superdog]

Oh boy.

It's just like any business really. Start at the bottom, build a foundation and develop relationships with people to establish trust.

[Rpcody]

You can't just become a trusted seller.

Think of it as becoming a Jedi Knight. Time it will take.

[koc]

Hi Mohammed, i was in the same position exactly when i joined TRF,
I don't know about the Rolex prices in KSA, but here in Kuwait the Rolex prices are very high compared to USA, and when i tried to buy my first rolex from the sale section here, there sellers refused to sell me because im new with zero reference, until George Ab accept to sell one for me, then he write positive about me then i bought another one from DAVIDSW and he also give me positive feedback.
And now im proud that i have reference from many sellers here in the TRF.

Its take long time to become a trusted seller or buyer here but in end i hope you success.

[Johny]

to the o.p....is sending a large sum of money to a complete stranger something you would be prepared to do?

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by Johny

to the o.p....is sending a large sum of money to a complete stranger something you would be prepared to do?

Just adding, complete stranger WITHOUT reputation.

[mmusa]

Really appreciate your posts

And special thanks to steelerfan65 for reposting my thread

[E70x5]

I would have to agree with what everyone else is saying, reputation is built over time. I personally would only deal with sellers that have long history of transactions.

[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by jk88

A good way to build trust would be through eBay.

Also, I can't stress this enough: TAKE GOOD PHOTOS

There's nothing sketchier than a seller who posts poor quality photos.*

*This isn't directed at anyone. I'm simply saying that, in general, good photos will give prospective buyers an accurate "feel" of the item they're considering.

I understand the point you are making jk88, but, good photo's don't guarantee a thing.
Digital photography can 'do magic' and can't be trusted.
More than one buyer has been shown photo's of say, a 'Rolex', only to pay for and then receive a fake.
Good pictures certainly help when selling anything, Rolex don't (yet)take their watch pix with a 'phone.
The only guarantee that you can personally establish, is your reputation for honesty and integrity.
As has been said, that takes time.
If and when you've done that mmusa, I'm sure you'll be very welcome here!
Everybody loves a bargain.
GOOD LUCK!

[JCZ5]

MMUSA, Don't be discouraged if you really want to pursue this path. But from what I have understood reading the forums and stuff, it is a very difficulty process. In the beginning, you are doing a LOT of work for that little profit. Like the others have mentioned, selling to the US with current custom laws are virtually impossible. However, I don't know about any other Rolex custom laws in other countries.

Best bet is to sell face to face in your immediate area to build a local reputation and then expand with references. This way, your client will see you and can go with you to a watchmaker to verify your product. Not a lot of people will be comfortable wiring you large sums of money to another country as a new seller with no reputation.

For example, when I was looking to buy my watch I was adamant on going to an AD. However, only after reading the reputation of DavidSW on this site and pretty much "interrogating" him and others regarding his reputation did I finally go for it. Even then, I was still slightly nervous. But after my experience, he is the only grey dealer I would return and do business again. Remember, the buyer also puts in work on researching you, make sure your business practices are always honest and immaculate.

Best of luck on your endeavor! Current trusted sellers took their first step where you are now to build their business.

[mmusa]

Originally Posted by F1fanatic

MMUSA, Don't be discouraged if you really want to pursue this path. But from what I have understood reading the forums and stuff, it is a very difficulty process. In the beginning, you are doing a LOT of work for that little profit. Like the others have mentioned, selling to the US with current custom laws are virtually impossible. However, I don't know about any other Rolex custom laws in other countries.

Best bet is to sell face to face in your immediate area to build a local reputation and then expand with references. This way, your client will see you and can go with you to a watchmaker to verify your product. Not a lot of people will be comfortable wiring you large sums of money to another country as a new seller with no reputation.

For example, when I was looking to buy my watch I was adamant on going to an AD. However, only after reading the reputation of DavidSW on this site and pretty much "interrogating" him and others regarding his reputation did I finally go for it. Even then, I was still slightly nervous. But after my experience, he is the only grey dealer I would return and do business again. Remember, the buyer also puts in work on researching you, make sure your business practices are always honest and immaculate.

Best of luck on your endeavor! Current trusted sellers took their first step where you are now to build their business.

I really appreciate your post its really encourging I will try my best and see hope
i can become one of the trusted seller here.

Anotherthing, it is not all about the profit and money it is also because of my love to this brand (rolex)

[JCZ5]

^Great if its not about profit care to sell me a BLNR for less than $8000? lol

[james1787]

I don't know if you've found it already but there are two 'sticky' posts at the top of the watches for sale forum on what you need to do in order to start as well as some advice. I'm sure everyone had to start at the bottom and build a reputation and I can't imagine its an easy start. I would not have a clue where to begin myself :) Good luck on your endeavor to become a Trusted Seller.

[Jocke]

Rule #1 Never use the phrase: Priced to sell.

[subtona]

Originally Posted by F1fanatic

MMUSA, Don't be discouraged if you really want to pursue this path. ...

John, the rest of your post reads extremely well provided the OP decides to deal locally,
but in its present incarnation...see below

Originally Posted by mmusa

I really appreciate your post its really encourging I will try my best and see hope
i can become one of the trusted seller here.

Anotherthing, it is not all about the profit and money it is also because of my love to this brand (rolex)

Actually i was thinking, you should be discouraged
Trying to sell rolex watches with the potential of avoiding international customs can turn into a big problem, not a road you would likely want to go down... If it were so easy, and the deal was so worth while, your local AD would be selling via the internet already and probably have put many other AD's out of business.

Not to discourage your drive and motivation by any means but there is more here than just a desire to work hard... Not to mention your love for the brand would likely be diminished if this process went south and you were named as the plaintiff with the brands letterhead stationary

[anothernewphone]

I've sold a few watches on WUS, and the first thing I did was sell some cheap watches and let the buyers use PayPal to squash any fear of getting ripped off. I only sold to very active members to avoid myself getting shafted, too. I sold just a couple pieces, but it'd be hard to find someone to wire you $8500 overseas. I

[subtona]

Originally Posted by Jocke

Rule #1 Never use the phrase: Priced to sell.

looks a bit silly when the post goes on for months

[DiamondJack]

So just to get this straight........you wouldn't actually own the watch in question already......so would just be using stock photos........you would also just be promising to go and buy the watch after the trusting buyer sent you the money.......... then having received the cash from the trusting buyer you would go and buy the watch and promise to send it to the buyer.......

Can you see where that business plan has a little risk attached to it from the buyers perspective.......... As they say ......don't give up the day job.........