GMT 1985? Please have a look for our hard working soon to be Grad!

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Yes, I need new glasses but I persist in feeling confidently clueless.. LOL. The more I read the more I realize how little I have learned. .. Can you kind experts please have a look..It's for our favorite and only Grad. I've requested additional photos etc, too blurry and too much glare, etc. Seller is pleasant enough..

Not having very deep pockets.. .it would be a big deal ;)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...X:eRTM:US:1123

[Brucie D]

Cool looking watch but I would be cautious at that price. Very awesome you want to get your grad a Rolex. If it were me I would look for a pre-owned stainless steel Datejust from a trusted seller that comes with box and papers. Add in a fresh service and you have the complete package for the special occasion. Nothing says achievement like a Datejust.




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[ltmgeller]

Looks like an updated gmt. The main question is was it updated by Rolex? If the dial and hands are aftermarket, I rolex will not service it. The good thing about ebay is buyer protection. If the watch is fake or partially fake, you get your money back. Thoughtful gift though.

[Tridor]

I think the quality of many of the photos is poor. So, it's difficult to judge certain things. What do you know about the seller? Is he trusted, or simply someone you found on the internet? Since there is no paperwork, how can the seller assure you completely that the watch is 100% authentic? Can you meet the seller at an Authorized Dealer to have the watch checked out? There are a host of questions which need to be answered here. Photos, in and of themselves, do not necessarily tell the entire story of the watch.

Look, this is gonna cost you at least $3,300 as a present for your favorite Grad, and you admit the pockets are not deep. Personally, I think the price is suspect as these watches generally go for much more. What if the watch needs to be serviced? What if the movement is damaged and requires expensive repairs? Most importantly, what if it's a fake and you have trouble or delays in getting a refund? Since there's no paperwork, you have no idea as to the provenance of the watch and have only the word of a possibly unknown seller to go by. Given the circumstances, I would walk away from this one ... you cannot afford to make a mistake here. There are plenty of other watches like this for sale, with papers, which can be verified. I agree that a nice DJ with box and paperwork would be a great way to go. Just my $0.02.

[Maxtor]

Buy from a trusted seller and you can't go wrong.

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Seller recalls having it serviced by Rolex in Dallas, thinks there is a date scratched in the back cover. ..hasn't sold a lot of expensive items but did say he himself got burned by a seller who sent photos of an authentic watch but sure enough sent a fake. He's been on eB since 1999. Is thinking to put it up on Timezone? I think that is Antiquarium? Will google it. I do have a couple of Op/Op dates in my collection but I'm afraid all your fabulous photos, viewed from standing over my shoulder ..have started a dreamer to dream.. .

Thanks again.. .

[Lgear080]

Something seems a bit off. I think the watch represents a decent value,
But a date just might be a better start.

[cptsdr]

I would wonder why the picture showing the movement sports a jubilee band(as an extra charge item) and the others feature a strap? All pics were not taken at the same time? Seems odd. FWIW.

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Thanks all!! Maybe good things come to those willing to wait a bit..at least sometimes.

[springer]

Originally Posted by ltmgeller

Looks like an updated gmt. The main question is was it updated by Rolex? If the dial and hands are aftermarket, I rolex will not service it. The good thing about ebay is buyer protection. If the watch is fake or partially fake, you get your money back. Thoughtful gift though.

Rolex will service it, but they will want to replace the hands. They are many competent watchmakers also available to service the watch besides Rolex.

Looks like a nice, clean 16753.

[Jason71]

Originally Posted by springer

Rolex will service it, but they will want to replace the hands. They are many competent watchmakers also available to service the watch besides Rolex.

Looks like a nice, clean 16753.

Listen to John. He is our resident expert on GMTs. If he says it looks good, it is most likely good.

[up2nogood]

It's pretty well used. The bezel 'teeth' are not sharp, and there is a reasonable amount of case damage.
But it is pretty cheap. Don't have it serviced by Rolex, get one of the forum watchmakers to sort it, if you do buy.
Agreed re bracelet/no bracelet. What's doing with that?

Oh, and congrats for the young 'un!

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Thanks all .. .You are All Terrific!! Will definitely take your recommendations and expertise back to our Grad!! Thanks for the congratulations ..Yes we are quite proud!
John please don't be surprised if you should end up getting a PM from a rather inquisitive mind!!

[powerfunk]

Originally Posted by Tridor

Since there is no paperwork, how can the seller assure you completely that the watch is 100% authentic?...Since there's no paperwork, you have no idea as to the provenance of the watch.

A piece of paper doesn't prove that anything is 100% authentic. That would be the least of my considerations. This looks like a nice TT GMT to me, but this seller has never sold anything over about $300 before, and the movement picture is horrible.

[Tridor]

Originally Posted by powerfunk

A piece of paper doesn't prove that anything is 100% authentic. That would be the least of my considerations. This looks like a nice TT GMT to me, but this seller has never sold anything over about $300 before, and the movement picture is horrible.

Paperwork can certainly help to the extent that the serial number on the original warranty matches the serial number on the watch. It also helps in determining the origin of the watch, assuming that it is a real Rolex. It's not dispositive completely, but it is an element to help the authentication process.

[DrTom]

id like to see the back of the case....i have an 84 gmt 16753 and this looked a bit rounder crystal to me....but I'm used to seeing them on a jubilee....honestly, id go a bit more and get same vintage gmt with the jubilee and be sure all the parts are rolex...nevermind, i just saw the other pics.....im ok with it....same band as mine.....thats a good price if its legit id think....wonder if overhauled is same as serviced....wouldnt there be a record of that?

[Tridor]

The price is for the watch head only. The bracelet is extra.

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Well, Instead of furnishing photos he's simply dropped the price and has now incorporated the bracelet with a photo asking an additional $500. I have once again requested additional photos any service documentation and particulars.
He advised me that Rolex in Dallas performed the "overhaul" to the best of his recollection..which makes me wonder why members here indicate that Rolex would want to replace the hands, if indeed Rolex installed them? Considering the eB fees and PP it's got me curious.
Wondering what ever became of the fugazy he unfortunately lost 3500 on :(

I'm told it It's okay ..we can simply postpone a renovation on the kitchen.. . LOL
I am thinking it would be easier to give one of the less sporty pieces I do own and maybe a nice set of golf clubs.. .

[Tridor]

Why not ask him for the serial number of the watch, and then call Rolex Dallas to check out the guy's story? As a kid from the Bronx originally, my street sense tells me that something is not kosher here. I don't think that you can confirm authenticity based on the photos provided or the internet opinions of others. Moreover, the fact that he dropped the price, but did not provide better photos as requested, should tell you something.

[red98a4ss]

But this GMT with confidence. If something's not right when you get it eBay will get your money right back.

[77T]

The worrisome part is how he asks for so little ($3400 with the bracelet).
And "thinks" he had it serviced. I't due for another overhaul so keep that in mind.

[enginerd]

Originally Posted by 77T

The worrisome part is how he asks for so little ($3400 with the bracelet).
And "thinks" he had it serviced. I't due for another overhaul so keep that in mind.

You'd be surprised what sort of deals are out there. I bought a Sub on Ebay for around the "w/bracelet" price and it was in near mint condition. The seller started bidding low and had the buy-it-now option as well. I ended up just paying his BIN price. After I bought it the seller asked if I wanted to his "old Datejust" too. I ended up paying about 1/4 of market value for a beautiful 1969 1603. It had one wrong end link...I let the seller know (expecting nothing based on the deal I got) and he mailed me a check for $150. I was blown away.

But I'll agree with most, buy the seller first. I looked through my seller's history and the Rolexes I bought from him were on the low end of his transaction history. He just wasn't worried about making $ from the sales.

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Well, I'd actually let it be known that I am a member here and had asked our resident experts here at TRF to kindly review the auction.. and as a result had some additional questions. Suddenly, dead silence ;( Apparently, the seller is on deck as he'd in the interim.. modified the listing. I certainly didn't mean to offend him, actually, made it known I was prepared to BIN. I didn't feel the questions to be unreasonable. My Fb history and profile is impeccable. I would have expected it to make the seller confident he had a serious interested buyer prepared to conduct a headache free pleasant transaction. He'd mentioned a lot of time wasters with questions but no money.. .
Now, I am rather puzzled. ..

Yes, I realize eB has their buyer assurance and Amex offers an added layer of protection but aggravation is still aggravation.. I'd much prefer to avoid any at this stage in life - where possible.. ;)

Will report back if any new developments arise.. .
But Meanwhile..Thanks Again!! Truly.
You are just such a great group and I sincerely just can't begin to thank you all enough.. .

[Cc1966]

Silence is not golden in this case. Be wary...

[Tridor]

This proposed transaction sounds like a fraud looking to happen. After all the advice here and the seller's actions, that should be obvious to you. I would not deal with this person any further. Caveat emptor.