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TARDIS · 14 March 2008, 03:22 PM

I spotted this from the new 2008 pricelist kindly provided by Anastasios:

16570 Oyster Perpetual Explorer II US$5750
16710 Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master II US$5750

16570 has a choice of black or white dials
16710 has a choice of bezel colors

Same movement I believe......

At this time, my choice would be the Explorer WD because I already have a black dial SD.
If I didn't have my SD, then I would choose the GMT with the all black bezel.

Cheers
Steve

JJ Irani · 14 March 2008, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TARDIS

I spotted this from the new 2008 pricelist kindly provided by Anastasios:

16570 Oyster Perpetual Explorer II US$5750
16710 Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master II US$5750

16570 has a choice of black or white dials
16710 has a choice of bezel colors

Same movement I believe......

At this time, my choice would be the Explorer WD because I already have a black dial SD.
If I didn't have my SD, then I would choose the GMT with the all black bezel.

Cheers
Steve

Yes, same 3185 movement. I'm quite surprised the prices are now same. The GMT-II was like $75 more on the list price.

I prefer the fixed sloping bezel of the Exp-II....but go with whichever one smiles back at you, Steve. Both very fine timepieces.

JJ

BiG JeEzY · 14 March 2008, 04:00 PM

I agree with you Steve, I vote for the Expy as well!!

It has been the watch I have owned for the longest at almost 7 years now. I can't stop saying good things about it.

Just checked the movement with an internet clock for the last couple days and it was at -1 sec/day. Thats as good as it gets, considering the watch is almost 7 years old and it sill hasn't seen the RSC yet!!!

cmr · 14 March 2008, 04:11 PM

i like the pepsi but you already have a black dial so i voted for the white expy. i would love to have one myself.

CPCC · 14 March 2008, 04:16 PM

GMT all the way

walds11 · 14 March 2008, 05:45 PM

Good choice Steve :) The Explorer II is on my short list, black dial.

Robb · 14 March 2008, 08:00 PM

I think the white dial Exp would compliment your SD very well!!!!

C.J. · 14 March 2008, 08:03 PM

I'm a big GMT fan, but since you already have the SD, I'd go with the white Ex-II

Stef_Call · 14 March 2008, 08:08 PM

Tough call. Both are great watches that share alot of the same DNA. I would go for the GMT.... But hey its all down to personal choice. You cant really loose with either !!!
As stated by some other people. The fact that you already have a black dial on your SD would make the EXP II a nice contrast. Choosing between two great watches in a great problem to have !!
Good luck :)

fwellers · 14 March 2008, 08:53 PM

Man that's tougher than I thought it would be.
I already have a Coke Gmt2, and have recently tried on the explorer. Here's what I think about the two at this point in time.

pros for the explorer are:
-- seems a little more comfortable on the wrist.
-- at this point I am liking the non-black dials. I think the cyclops doesn't look as obnoxious on a lighter dial. Also dirt and smudges don't show up as well.
-- I think it actually looks better on the wrist than the gmt2.

pros for the gmt2.
-- has the moveable bezel that can be very useful for day to day minor timings, and lets you track a third timezone.
-- seems to be a more valued commodity.

That's why I picked the Explorer2 in your poll.

vukotab · 14 March 2008, 08:56 PM

I will always choose Explorer II.Very sporty,yet unpretencious and classy.

McQ · 14 March 2008, 09:35 PM

From everyones pictures on the forum, I would choose the Explorer without a doubt. After trying on both watches I found that I liked the GMTII much more! If possible, go to an AD and try on both models before you make a decision.

Scooby · 14 March 2008, 09:40 PM

I voted Expy because I already have 2 GMT's. However, if I had neither, I'd take the GMT. A classic watch that is no longer in production.

entropydave · 14 March 2008, 09:52 PM

Where's the "both" option?!

Rockrolex · 14 March 2008, 11:10 PM

Tough call, Steve. But when I got into the voting booth, I had to go with the GMT. It just has everything the Exp has and more. The fact that you already have a black dial SD doesn't phase me. I've got plenty of black face watches and a couple white. I tend to gravitate to the black, personally.

But as others have said, test drive both. One will smile at you more. That one's yours.

SPACE-DWELLER · 14 March 2008, 11:36 PM

I would go for the GMT II, Steve!

You get a much more versatile watch with this one, being able to change bezel inserts or get a Jubilee bracelet for it.

frostie · 14 March 2008, 11:46 PM

Voted for the GMT

It works better for me

mic6 · 14 March 2008, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostie

Voted for the GMT

It works better for me

The greeks agree here...
plus the white explorer is gay

frostie · 14 March 2008, 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mic6

The greeks agree here...
plus the white explorer is gay

I prefer the black explorer II

evy411nia · 15 March 2008, 12:20 AM

I have the Exp II in white and think it is a perfect compliment to my SD. I find the white wears well with a suit and the slope of the bezel is a little more dressy. Go fot the Explorer being you already have a black dial.

kcmo · 15 March 2008, 12:52 AM

I have been trying to decide between a GMT2 coke and a white explorer and I'm leaning towards the white explorer! Just something about it!

So I voted white expy!

nsolga · 15 March 2008, 12:56 AM

Karis-

GMTII coke would be the best shot - oyster/jubilee possibilities...

Would really make your collection versitile.

kcmo · 15 March 2008, 01:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nsolga

Karis-

GMTII coke would be the best shot - oyster/jubilee possibilities...

Would really make your collection versitile.

Thanks Nick, but I'm a sucker for white dials. If I'm giving one up, it's nice to replace it with another....plus, I'm not the type to switch out bracelets.

Trurolexer · 15 March 2008, 01:14 AM

I opinion here is choose GMT II 16710. Because Rolex already discountinued it. And the value is going up here in Asia (Singapore and Indonesia is already up their 16710!!!). Just my humble opinion, Sir...

mic6 · 15 March 2008, 01:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frostie

I prefer the black explorer II

well ... less gay at least

frostie · 15 March 2008, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mic6

well ... less gay at least

BuffaloRolex · 15 March 2008, 03:36 AM

GMT II vote from me...

MAC4130 · 15 March 2008, 03:40 AM

I vote GMT II
I like the bezel in Pepsi or Coke and...I just like it!

TARDIS · 15 March 2008, 03:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mic6

The greeks agree here...
plus the white explorer is gay

Not that there's anything wrong in that

(Seinfeld)

Steve

Road Warrior · 15 March 2008, 09:35 PM

I tend to lean towards the GMT II also. I had this same decision to make a week ago & I chose the GMT II pepsi. Even though I like the coke insert, I think the pepsi is the classic look of GMT. IMHO I think it's little more watch than the Expy.

View Poll Results: 16570 Explorer II or 16710 GMT Master II?
Explorer II White 16570 $5750	27	34.18%
GMT-Master II 16710 $5750	52	65.82%
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14 March 2008, 03:22 PM	#1
TARDIS "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Queensland, AUST Posts: 2,003	So Which Would You Choose? I spotted this from the new 2008 pricelist kindly provided by Anastasios: 16570 Oyster Perpetual Explorer II US$5750 16710 Oyster Perpetual GMT-Master II US$5750 16570 has a choice of black or white dials 16710 has a choice of bezel colors Same movement I believe...... At this time, my choice would be the Explorer WD because I already have a black dial SD. If I didn't have my SD, then I would choose the GMT with the all black bezel. Cheers Steve

14 March 2008, 04:00 PM	#3
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	I agree with you Steve, I vote for the Expy as well!! It has been the watch I have owned for the longest at almost 7 years now. I can't stop saying good things about it. Just checked the movement with an internet clock for the last couple days and it was at -1 sec/day. Thats as good as it gets, considering the watch is almost 7 years old and it sill hasn't seen the RSC yet!!! __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

14 March 2008, 04:11 PM	#4
cmr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: marcus Location: us, oklahoma Posts: 1,646	i like the pepsi but you already have a black dial so i voted for the white expy. i would love to have one myself. __________________ cmr OA-Black dial SS Daytona, V-White dial SS Daytona, Z-GMT2C Wife, Z-Platinum Yacht Master, Black ceramic White dial SS Daytona,

14 March 2008, 04:16 PM	#5
CPCC "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: USA Posts: 1,857	GMT all the way __________________

14 March 2008, 05:45 PM	#6
walds11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Adam Location: Philly ‘burbs Posts: 5,660	Good choice Steve :) The Explorer II is on my short list, black dial. __________________ Adam

14 March 2008, 08:00 PM	#7
Robb 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Real Name: Robb Location: USA Watch: BLNR Posts: 4,939	I think the white dial Exp would compliment your SD very well!!!! __________________ 126610LN l 166610LV l 126619LB l 116710BLNR l 126710BLRO l 126720VTNR l 126718GRNR l 116500 white l 116500 black l 116508 john mayer l 116519LN l 116503 white l 126655 l 226627 Ti Master l 116518LN

14 March 2008, 08:03 PM	#8
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	I'm a big GMT fan, but since you already have the SD, I'd go with the white Ex-II __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

14 March 2008, 08:08 PM	#9
Stef_Call Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Stefan Location: Dublin, Ireland Watch: SS Daytona,GMT IIc Posts: 470	Tough call. Both are great watches that share alot of the same DNA. I would go for the GMT.... But hey its all down to personal choice. You cant really loose with either !!! As stated by some other people. The fact that you already have a black dial on your SD would make the EXP II a nice contrast. Choosing between two great watches in a great problem to have !! Good luck :)

14 March 2008, 08:53 PM	#10
fwellers "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sterling, Va Watch: Rolex Gmt Master2 Posts: 276	Man that's tougher than I thought it would be. I already have a Coke Gmt2, and have recently tried on the explorer. Here's what I think about the two at this point in time. pros for the explorer are: -- seems a little more comfortable on the wrist. -- at this point I am liking the non-black dials. I think the cyclops doesn't look as obnoxious on a lighter dial. Also dirt and smudges don't show up as well. -- I think it actually looks better on the wrist than the gmt2. pros for the gmt2. -- has the moveable bezel that can be very useful for day to day minor timings, and lets you track a third timezone. -- seems to be a more valued commodity. That's why I picked the Explorer2 in your poll. __________________ Peace, Floyd _______________________________ SS Gmt Master II F Series SS DateJust 116234 M Series Iwc Portofino 39mm Iwc AquaTimer 2000 Ti Omega Smp Pro Ti

14 March 2008, 08:56 PM	#11
vukotab "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Real Name: Vukota Brajovi Location: Belgrade,Serbia Watch: ing movies! Posts: 3,812	I will always choose Explorer II.Very sporty,yet unpretencious and classy.

14 March 2008, 09:35 PM	#12
McQ "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: PA, USA Watch: Sub LV Posts: 72	From everyones pictures on the forum, I would choose the Explorer without a doubt. After trying on both watches I found that I liked the GMTII much more! If possible, go to an AD and try on both models before you make a decision.

14 March 2008, 09:40 PM	#13
Scooby Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: Darren Location: Virginia, USA Watch: GMT Posts: 923	I voted Expy because I already have 2 GMT's. However, if I had neither, I'd take the GMT. A classic watch that is no longer in production.

14 March 2008, 09:52 PM	#14
entropydave "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Dave Location: Huntington, IN Posts: 680	Where's the "both" option?!

14 March 2008, 11:10 PM	#15
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,967	Tough call, Steve. But when I got into the voting booth, I had to go with the GMT. It just has everything the Exp has and more. The fact that you already have a black dial SD doesn't phase me. I've got plenty of black face watches and a couple white. I tend to gravitate to the black, personally. But as others have said, test drive both. One will smile at you more. That one's yours. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

14 March 2008, 11:36 PM	#16
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	I would go for the GMT II, Steve! You get a much more versatile watch with this one, being able to change bezel inserts or get a Jubilee bracelet for it. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

14 March 2008, 11:46 PM	#17
frostie 1,000,000th PostMember Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth Posts: 14,048	Voted for the GMT It works better for me __________________ GMT - Master II C - 116710 LN

15 March 2008, 12:20 AM	#20
evy411nia Banned Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: John Location: Houston Watch: Sea-dwller Posts: 255	I have the Exp II in white and think it is a perfect compliment to my SD. I find the white wears well with a suit and the slope of the bezel is a little more dressy. Go fot the Explorer being you already have a black dial.

15 March 2008, 12:52 AM	#21
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	I have been trying to decide between a GMT2 coke and a white explorer and I'm leaning towards the white explorer! Just something about it! So I voted white expy!

15 March 2008, 12:56 AM	#22
nsolga "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Nick Location: Sonoma Co., CA Watch: GMTIIc Posts: 798	Karis- GMTII coke would be the best shot - oyster/jubilee possibilities... Would really make your collection versitile. __________________ Present: 116710LN SS GMT-Master II C Past: 16610 SS Sub Date

15 March 2008, 01:14 AM	#24
Trurolexer Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: USA Watch: 5513MaxiI+PreComex Posts: 18,421	16710...In Pepsi Bezel... I opinion here is choose GMT II 16710. Because Rolex already discountinued it. And the value is going up here in Asia (Singapore and Indonesia is already up their 16710!!!). Just my humble opinion, Sir...

15 March 2008, 03:36 AM	#27
BuffaloRolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Tony Location: Buffalo Watch: 16613 (blue dial) Posts: 1,329	GMT II vote from me...

15 March 2008, 03:40 AM	#28
MAC4130 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Miguel Cornejo Location: El Paso Tx Watch: 116500LN Posts: 488	I vote GMT II I like the bezel in Pepsi or Coke and...I just like it! __________________ Rolex Daytona 116500LN Black, Rolex Daytona 116500LN White, Rolex TT GMTIIC, Panerai 88, Cartier Santos TT Auto, Omega Seamaster GMT Bond Co-axial, Omega Constellation SS Auto, Tag Heuer Carrera Chrono Tachy Auto

15 March 2008, 09:35 PM	#30
Road Warrior "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Brad Location: NC Watch: Any Rolex Posts: 378	I tend to lean towards the GMT II also. I had this same decision to make a week ago & I chose the GMT II pepsi. Even though I like the coke insert, I think the pepsi is the classic look of GMT. IMHO I think it's little more watch than the Expy. __________________ Wearing a Rolex is perpetual bliss!

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