Superlative Chronometer

[Kobayashi]

This is my "non-COSC" 14060m. Cheers!

[thomaspp]

Pretty cool. Best

[Daytona4130]

Perfect!

[ltmgeller]

[Old Expat Beast]

I want one! (timegrapher, i mean).

[nickb732]

Wow! Well-regulated.

[GradyPhilpott]

It is my understanding that the 3130 non-COSC movements are identical to the 3130 "COSC" movements.

The only thing is that they haven't been certified by COSC, so there's no reason they can't be regulated to the same standards as the certified movements.

It never ceases to amaze me just how well these movements can keep time.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

It is my understanding that the 3130 non-COSC movements are identical to the 3130 "COSC" movements.

The only thing is that they haven't been certified by COSC, so there's no reason they can't be regulated to the same standards as the certified movements.

It never ceases to amaze me just how well these movements can keep time.

Today the now quite dated COSC test is mainly IMHO now for marketing,as today most any movement with very careful regulation could pass the test.And in many ways the COSC test is often meaningless as only the bare uncased movement is tested.Not even a dial,winding rotor or even the hands are on movement as special ones are used on the machine that Rolex has at the COSC. Yes Rolex has there own machine there because of the vast quantities of movements tested by Rolex.So when movement is shipped back to Rolex perhaps then stored for weeks, months, or even a year before its cased, a lot could happen to the movement and its doubtful but possible Rolex checks every movement again before being shipped world wide.And the COSC certification is only for the time of testing nothing more just to say its been tested.

The term "Superlative Chronometer" is a now trademark of Rolex. The addition of the word "Superlative" in front of the official designation of Chronometer, is merely a Rolex marketing ploy angle, to give it a more distinguished sound to the chronometer status of their products, in other words complete marketing. As all watches that have earned the privilege of bearing the official Swiss designation of Chronometer have to meet the exact same C.O.S.C. standards. Any words added before or after the official designation of Chronometer are merely marketing and Rolex speak, which Rolex sometimes can be very good at.There are not any different grades or levels of chronometer certification for movements of the same size,but Rolex would like you to think there are.Likewise the wording Certified Chronometer also means nothing different than just plain Chronometer. It is a redundant phrase word,since getting Chronometer status is the certification, the certified is just more marketing to make it sound better.

Now European Din standard for chronometers are to a higher standard than the Swiss COSC standard below is the copy of the German Din chronometer certificate for my Dreadnought watch.This was a Timefactors limited edition if I remember just 200 watches that cost then just £400. As you can see +0.4 seconds a day,not bad for a so called humble ETA 2824-T2 movement,less than half a second a day and still the same today after several years of hard wearing.

[Old Expat Beast]

My 1964 Air King doesn't even have "Precision" on the dial and still runs within one second per 24hrs with its 17-jewel 1520 movement. Like Peter says, it's all about the regulation. SCOC just clutters up the dial for no good reason, IMO.

[JRolex]

Originally Posted by padi56

Today the now quite dated COSC test is mainly IMHO now for marketing,as today most any movement with very careful regulation could pass the test.And in many ways the COSC test is often meaningless as only the bare uncased movement is tested.Not even a dial,winding rotor or even the hands are on movement as special ones are used on the machine that Rolex has at the COSC. Yes Rolex has there own machine there because of the vast quantities of movements tested by Rolex.So when movement is shipped back to Rolex perhaps then stored for weeks, months, or even a year before its cased, a lot could happen to the movement and its doubtful but possible Rolex checks every movement again before being shipped world wide.And the COSC certification is only for the time of testing nothing more just to say its been tested.

The term "Superlative Chronometer" is a now trademark of Rolex. The addition of the word "Superlative" in front of the official designation of Chronometer, is merely a Rolex marketing ploy angle, to give it a more distinguished sound to the chronometer status of their products, in other words complete marketing. As all watches that have earned the privilege of bearing the official Swiss designation of Chronometer have to meet the exact same C.O.S.C. standards. Any words added before or after the official designation of Chronometer are merely marketing and Rolex speak, which Rolex sometimes can be very good at.There are not any different grades or levels of chronometer certification for movements of the same size,but Rolex would like you to think there are.Likewise the wording Certified Chronometer also means nothing different than just plain Chronometer. It is a redundant phrase word,since getting Chronometer status is the certification, the certified is just more marketing to make it sound better.

Now European Din standard for chronometers are to a higher standard than the Swiss COSC standard below is the copy of the German Din chronometer certificate for my Dreadnought watch.This was a Timefactors limited edition if I remember just 200 watches that cost then just £400. As you can see +0.4 seconds a day,not bad for a so called humble ETA 2824-T2 movement,less than half a second a day and still the same today after several years of hard wearing.

I haven't been on the forum for that long, but I've noticed you are definitely a wealth of knowledge - thank you.

[Kobayashi]

Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast

SCOC just clutters up the dial for no good reason, IMO.

Agreed. That's the main reason I purchased the non-COSC sub.

Thanks for the information Padi! You really know your stuff.

[bmwsubmariner]

Perfect!

[wantonebad]

Peter you are a true asset to this forum and to it's membership!

[REFZ]

@Padi
The certificate you show is the certificate for Dreadnought 001/200 and that one can't be yours because it belongs to Eddie Platts (the owner of Timefactors and the seller of the Dreadnought watches).

From the Timefactors website:

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by padi56

Today the now quite dated COSC test is mainly IMHO now for marketing,as today most any movement with very careful regulation could pass the test.And in many ways the COSC test is often meaningless as only the bare uncased movement is tested.Not even a dial,winding rotor or even the hands are on movement as special ones are used on the machine that Rolex has at the COSC. Yes Rolex has there own machine there because of the vast quantities of movements tested by Rolex.So when movement is shipped back to Rolex perhaps then stored for weeks, months, or even a year before its cased, a lot could happen to the movement and its doubtful but possible Rolex checks every movement again before being shipped world wide.And the COSC certification is only for the time of testing nothing more just to say its been tested.

The term "Superlative Chronometer" is a now trademark of Rolex. The addition of the word "Superlative" in front of the official designation of Chronometer, is merely a Rolex marketing ploy angle, to give it a more distinguished sound to the chronometer status of their products, in other words complete marketing. As all watches that have earned the privilege of bearing the official Swiss designation of Chronometer have to meet the exact same C.O.S.C. standards. Any words added before or after the official designation of Chronometer are merely marketing and Rolex speak, which Rolex sometimes can be very good at.There are not any different grades or levels of chronometer certification for movements of the same size,but Rolex would like you to think there are.Likewise the wording Certified Chronometer also means nothing different than just plain Chronometer. It is a redundant phrase word,since getting Chronometer status is the certification, the certified is just more marketing to make it sound better.

Now European Din standard for chronometers are to a higher standard than the Swiss COSC standard below is the copy of the German Din chronometer certificate for my Dreadnought watch.This was a Timefactors limited edition if I remember just 200 watches that cost then just £400. As you can see +0.4 seconds a day,not bad for a so called humble ETA 2824-T2 movement,less than half a second a day and still the same today after several years of hard wearing.

Awesome post. Thank you sir.

[novan3]

Originally Posted by Kobayashi

This is my "non-COSC" 14060m. Cheers!

My SubC has a second on you

[Danex]

With either of these standards/test (cosc or din) they only test the watch in the lab and measure accuracy in the moment. Is that true?

How do these tests compare to the more pragmatic real world experience? The Ace Timer looks like a fun toy, but I think I'll just set my watch, wear it every day for 10 days and see how many seconds ahead/behind it is.

How well does my testing method compare in results?

[Kyle3130]

Congrats! My 14060M 2-liner runs +/-0 seconds per 24 hours and I self regulate it as needed to keep it there.

[Danex]

Congrats! My 14060M 2-liner runs +/-0 seconds per 24 hours and I self regulate it as needed to keep it there.

Newby question? How does one self regulate a Rolex?
Is there a thread on this?

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Danex

Newby question? How does one self regulate a Rolex?
Is there a thread on this?

Depending on the position you keep it during the night (crown up, down, etc). Cheers

pic from internet

[Kyle3130]

Yep! Thanks Flavio!

[Talebi]

Nice!