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maut · 15 May 2008, 09:43 AM

i´m new here so please be patient with me...

i have some nice plexi tudor subs, but now i´m looking for a no-date version.
i have been offered a 9401/0 which should be from the 70ies.

some details of the watch seem a little odd to me:

- the dial seems to be younger, i guess it´s from the late 80ies or early 90ies, because the SUBMARINER is printed in the newer font and not the old style

- i´m not an expert at all about the inner parts... one collector in germany pointed out that this ETA is not a tudor-ETA.

also i have never seen a rotor with these engravings. what do you think?

- it has a 9411 (that´s the ref. WITH date) case back, but i guess that could have happened at tudor back then

- the crown guard is totally uneven. i discussed this with MrClean already, it is really strange because there are some tudors out there with this uneven guards.

- the engravings of serial and reference look original to me

is this just a genuine tudor with a replacement ETA and newer dial/hands/inlay or is there anything else wrong?

thanks for your help!

bagel · 15 May 2008, 11:55 PM

Dial should be a latter version or replacement coz the original one at this early S/N should come with square hour markers and square hands.

Case back with 9411 stamped is fine.

Not quite familiar with the movement though ...

maut · 17 May 2008, 10:32 AM

anyway, i decided to stay away from that watch... the owner said he was glad as he thinks i have no clue about rolex/tudor.

BiG JeEzY · 17 May 2008, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by maut

anyway, i decided to stay away from that watch... the owner said he was glad as he thinks i have no clue about rolex/tudor.

If the owner thinks that way, might as well forget about him and do your business elsewhere.

The wach looks great from the pics though, I agree that it is likely to have a service replacement dial on there as these models originally have square hour markers and hands. In the link below is some pictures of a 9411 with the original dial and hands. The only difference is that the one pictured is an Oysterdate model.

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Tudor Prince Oysterdate Submariner Ref. 9411

SPACE-DWELLER · 18 May 2008, 12:51 AM

Gotta agree with Jerome.

Buy the seller before buying the watch, and imho this sounds like a

seller.

15 May 2008, 09:43 AM	#1
maut "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: niels Location: berlin, germany Posts: 10	Tudor Sub: Help needed! i´m new here so please be patient with me... i have some nice plexi tudor subs, but now i´m looking for a no-date version. i have been offered a 9401/0 which should be from the 70ies. some details of the watch seem a little odd to me: - the dial seems to be younger, i guess it´s from the late 80ies or early 90ies, because the SUBMARINER is printed in the newer font and not the old style - i´m not an expert at all about the inner parts... one collector in germany pointed out that this ETA is not a tudor-ETA. also i have never seen a rotor with these engravings. what do you think? - it has a 9411 (that´s the ref. WITH date) case back, but i guess that could have happened at tudor back then - the crown guard is totally uneven. i discussed this with MrClean already, it is really strange because there are some tudors out there with this uneven guards. - the engravings of serial and reference look original to me is this just a genuine tudor with a replacement ETA and newer dial/hands/inlay or is there anything else wrong? thanks for your help!

18 May 2008, 12:51 AM	#5
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Gotta agree with Jerome. Buy the seller before buying the watch, and imho this sounds like a seller. __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

15 May 2008, 11:55 PM	#2
bagel "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hong Kong Posts: 605	Dial should be a latter version or replacement coz the original one at this early S/N should come with square hour markers and square hands. Case back with 9411 stamped is fine. Not quite familiar with the movement though ...

17 May 2008, 10:32 AM	#3
maut "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: niels Location: berlin, germany Posts: 10	anyway, i decided to stay away from that watch... the owner said he was glad as he thinks i have no clue about rolex/tudor.

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