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avirom · 14 October 2015, 05:11 PM

hi there - seeking out your expert advice!

The tritium on the hands and hour markers on the dail of my rolex date (1500) now longer glow in the dark (did not expect it cause after all its a 1982 model) so I had my watch maker relume them for me as a birthday present (cheaper than buying a new rolex ha.. ha..

)

He did a real nice job + replacing the seals on the case back and on the stem + a pressure test.

my question is, the crown does not seem to sit flush 100% with the case anymore - it screws it into the tube just fine, but when the crown can no longer be twisted anymore towards the case, you can still see the last thread or two of the tube

. this is something new to me - before the crown sat 100% flush with the case.

could that be because the seal is new it takes some time before it "breaks in" or too much glue was used in installing the seal?

I also noticed that the crown seems to unscrew a lot easier than before.

i have enclosed picture.

thanks.

padi56 · 14 October 2015, 05:35 PM

The crown is not supposed to sit flush to the case,if it did the seal in the crown head is damaged or badly worn.The main seals are inside the case and not metal to metal contact with the case.All the crown needs is just screwing down finger tight and no force is needed, one seal in the crown head the other with say twin lock crown inside the case crown tube.

Rogdogg · 14 October 2015, 06:14 PM

Case closed!

cop414 · 14 October 2015, 08:13 PM

What Peter said. You're good to go.

SpunkyQ8 · 14 October 2015, 08:27 PM

+1 Peter

brettpaul · 14 October 2015, 10:05 PM

Kobe (Peter) with the 3-point bucket from the outside!!

avirom · 14 October 2015, 10:17 PM

ok thanks pete for the expert advice.

the old crown gasket must have been realy worn out - glad to have a new one.

another question if i may - i had the watch polished. is it possible by polishing to restore the watch and bracelet to its original condition like when it was new? or no matter how well you polish it there are always remain some scratches and wear?

thanks.

Bangel · 14 October 2015, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by avirom

another question if i may - i had the watch polished. is it possible by polishing to restore the watch and bracelet to its original condition like when it was new? or no matter how well you polish it there are always remain some scratches and wear?

thanks.

I think it depends how deep the scratches are and the skill and expertise of the polisher.

Polishing removes metal (albeit in very small amounts when done properly). The deeper the scratch, the more metal will need to be removed to eliminate the scratch and the more the risk of altering the original finish and shape of the watch/bracelet.

Either way, once the watch is worn again, it's inevitable that a whole bunch of new scratches will appear!

Juggernaut · 8 January 2016, 02:03 AM

Hello...same question from me and my 1982 Datejust, but perhaps some better photos (no offense to the original poster). I understand that the crown shouldn't be touching the case, but I do believe it should be further down than this? I don't see many other Datejust's with threads on the tube visible under the winding crown....

Please help!

Juggernaut · 8 January 2016, 02:06 AM

as a comparison, here's a similar DJ from Jacek's HQMilton site:

Juggernaut · 8 January 2016, 02:14 AM

And here's a photo of the crown pulled to the 2nd (i.e. date change) position. I do think this crown tube is too long, or out too far.
Maybe there's an extra gasket inside the crown?

kilyung · 8 January 2016, 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juggernaut

Hello...same question from me and my 1982 Datejust, but perhaps some better photos (no offense to the original poster). I understand that the crown shouldn't be touching the case, but I do believe it should be further down than this? I don't see many other Datejust's with threads on the tube visible under the winding crown....

Please help!

Probably best to ask this in the tech section or drop a PM to Vanessa or some of the other techxperts but I'd have to agree with you. That tube likes it wasn't seated deep enough. Not that it impacts the function of the seal/stem/crown.

J!m · 8 January 2016, 02:39 AM

Are you able to manually wind it (position 1) without the tube threads catching the crown?

If so, it's OK (but I agree it should be seated deeper).

If not, you risk damaging the tube and/or crown lead thread which could cause it to cross thread... That requires replacing both the crown and tube if it happens.

Maybe best to send to, or take to, a vintage watch expert to check for you.

Juggernaut · 8 January 2016, 03:44 AM

Yeah, no problem winding, but it is tighter than usual and it seems to screw down with fewer rotations than I'm used to (this DJ is new to me, but I'v have many others in the past). I'm taking it to my local indy watchmaker and I'll return with an update.
thanks again for the original post and the additional help...

Tools · 8 January 2016, 10:06 AM

It's possible that there are two gaskets in the crown if somebody did not carefully remove the old one when installing a new one. A watchmaker would need to take the stem out to check.

The tube can be trimmed shorter but it usually isn't done since the tiny bit of extra tube doesn't really show up unless magnified a million times..

Juggernaut · 8 January 2016, 02:13 PM

Thanks for chiming in, Larry
I showed it to my local indy watchmaker and they said, it's not a major issue, but the bigger issue is that it's pretty tight when winding and it feels like there isn't much lubrication in there...and yes, they recommend a maintenance service during which time the tube would be replaced (as it is pretty worn and gunned up). So I will wait a little while before servicing it...

kilyung · 8 January 2016, 04:28 PM

Sounds like they didn't seat the tube deep enough so had to cut a longer stem which is too long.

14 October 2015, 05:11 PM	#1
avirom "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: israel Posts: 123	crown not flush with case hi there - seeking out your expert advice! The tritium on the hands and hour markers on the dail of my rolex date (1500) now longer glow in the dark (did not expect it cause after all its a 1982 model) so I had my watch maker relume them for me as a birthday present (cheaper than buying a new rolex ha.. ha..) He did a real nice job + replacing the seals on the case back and on the stem + a pressure test. my question is, the crown does not seem to sit flush 100% with the case anymore - it screws it into the tube just fine, but when the crown can no longer be twisted anymore towards the case, you can still see the last thread or two of the tube . this is something new to me - before the crown sat 100% flush with the case. could that be because the seal is new it takes some time before it "breaks in" or too much glue was used in installing the seal? I also noticed that the crown seems to unscrew a lot easier than before. i have enclosed picture. thanks. Attached Images

14 October 2015, 05:35 PM	#2
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14 October 2015, 06:14 PM	#3
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14 October 2015, 08:13 PM	#4
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14 October 2015, 10:05 PM	#6
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14 October 2015, 08:27 PM	#5
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14 October 2015, 10:17 PM	#7
avirom "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: israel Posts: 123	thanks and question about polishing ok thanks pete for the expert advice. the old crown gasket must have been realy worn out - glad to have a new one. another question if i may - i had the watch polished. is it possible by polishing to restore the watch and bracelet to its original condition like when it was new? or no matter how well you polish it there are always remain some scratches and wear? thanks.

8 January 2016, 02:03 AM	#9
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	Hello...same question from me and my 1982 Datejust, but perhaps some better photos (no offense to the original poster). I understand that the crown shouldn't be touching the case, but I do believe it should be further down than this? I don't see many other Datejust's with threads on the tube visible under the winding crown.... Please help! Attached Images

8 January 2016, 02:06 AM	#10
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	as a comparison, here's a similar DJ from Jacek's HQMilton site:

8 January 2016, 02:14 AM	#11
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	And here's a photo of the crown pulled to the 2nd (i.e. date change) position. I do think this crown tube is too long, or out too far. Maybe there's an extra gasket inside the crown? Attached Images

8 January 2016, 02:39 AM	#13
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,839	Are you able to manually wind it (position 1) without the tube threads catching the crown? If so, it's OK (but I agree it should be seated deeper). If not, you risk damaging the tube and/or crown lead thread which could cause it to cross thread... That requires replacing both the crown and tube if it happens. Maybe best to send to, or take to, a vintage watch expert to check for you.

8 January 2016, 03:44 AM	#14
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	Yeah, no problem winding, but it is tighter than usual and it seems to screw down with fewer rotations than I'm used to (this DJ is new to me, but I'v have many others in the past). I'm taking it to my local indy watchmaker and I'll return with an update. thanks again for the original post and the additional help...

8 January 2016, 10:06 AM	#15
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	It's possible that there are two gaskets in the crown if somebody did not carefully remove the old one when installing a new one. A watchmaker would need to take the stem out to check. The tube can be trimmed shorter but it usually isn't done since the tiny bit of extra tube doesn't really show up unless magnified a million times.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

8 January 2016, 02:13 PM	#16
Juggernaut "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 901	Thanks for chiming in, Larry I showed it to my local indy watchmaker and they said, it's not a major issue, but the bigger issue is that it's pretty tight when winding and it feels like there isn't much lubrication in there...and yes, they recommend a maintenance service during which time the tube would be replaced (as it is pretty worn and gunned up). So I will wait a little while before servicing it...

8 January 2016, 04:28 PM	#17
kilyung 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,940	Sounds like they didn't seat the tube deep enough so had to cut a longer stem which is too long.

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