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pessoa00 · 24 June 2008, 03:15 AM

Hi,
About 2 months ago I bought a white face milgauss while visiting NY. It was my 1st rolex (bought an SD after that) and I though at the time that I was really lucky to be able to find such a rare piece.
A few weeks ago, I was visiting a local AD and he had a few white and black milgausses in its safe. I was so surprise that I even posted it here, in case someone might become interested. Today, I was visiting a shopping center and noticed that another local AD had opened a new store there. To my surprise they had one milgauss on the window (along with almost all remaining rolex collection except of course for the ss daytona and gv milgauss). I guess normal milgausses are becoming common, which is nice since such a nice watch should be available to anybody who is willing to pay for it (too bad the daytona isn't also becoming common, has I would love to get one)
Is anyone here also noticing this? Do you thing its also only a matter of time for the GV also to become common (after production problems are solved)? How about the daytona? Will it always be the harder to get piece of the collection?
Regards,
António

scottschoe · 24 June 2008, 04:35 AM

SS Daytona will always be rather hard to find at MSRP, IIC will soon be discounted widely, regular Milg is getting easier to find in AD, and I have no idea what's happening to the GV. My guess is it'll end up like the Daytona.

SPACE-DWELLER · 24 June 2008, 04:35 AM

Welcome to TRR, António!

Yes, it does seem that the Milgauss ("ordinary" ones) watches are becoming increasingly availible, at least in Europe. Imho, it will take a while before the "GV" becomes readily availible, too, however.

As for the SS Daytona, the SS version of the Daytona is the "cheapest" way to go, if you want a chronograph from Rolex. Therefore the demand is higher on the SS than on the TT and YG/WG models. Furthermore, Rolex and the AD's earn less money on selling the SS than on selling the TT and YG/WG models, so Rolex makes fewer of them for that reason.

Also remember that many people put themselves on SEVERAL waiting lists for the SS Daytona, thereby creating longer than factual lists.

The average AD gets two SS Daytonas per year (some have writtten about the theory that the AD get a LOT more than just two a year and sell the rest off to grey market dealers. Might be true, might not be true), but if the two a year rate is true, it is only natural that it is hard to get.

You must also consider that Rolex is interested in having at least ONE really hyped up Rolex watch in its line.

Reason: Rolex get a LOT of customers running into the AD shops to ask for the SS Daytona, and they would get the usual reply:

"No, we have NO SS Daytonas, and we don't even bother to put customers on the list anymore! It makes no sense doing that! But look at this lovely Explorer II, white face, we just got in!....(blah blah blah!)"

I bet many customers tend to get what the CAN get in that situation.

Anyway, congrats on your white Milgauss! It's a sharp looking watch! Please post some pics of it!

Enjoy your stay here and have fun!

CoopJr · 24 June 2008, 04:51 AM

I think they are becoming more available. I'm making calls and sending emails in my hunt for one while I make my decision if I really want it. About 25% of the AD's I have contacted have a black or white, one had both..no one has a GV.

toph · 24 June 2008, 04:58 AM

Well in Glasgow i have seen 1- and its mine, the three AD's in the city centre have had one between them since introduction( so they say)- and its mine
Secondly many of you say the GMT C II is becoming common- i have not seen one in any AD in Glasgow ( remember Glasgow is the third behind London and Birmingham largest city in the UK)

veilstylez · 24 June 2008, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scottschoe

SS Daytona will always be rather hard to find at MSRP, IIC will soon be discounted widely, regular Milg is getting easier to find in AD, and I have no idea what's happening to the GV. My guess is it'll end up like the Daytona.

IIc discounted? really?

astcell · 24 June 2008, 05:28 AM

The GV was $18k, I see it now for $13k. It's hype. Never buy DVDs or comic books that scream "Collector's Edition." It is only hype. WE decide what is the thing to have. I've never had anyone ask me for the collector's edition of a DVD.

When I got my SS GMT in 2006 no one really paid attention to it. Now it is discontinued and selling used for more than I paid new. It's a crapshoot. Just buy what you like. If you like the Milgauss, get it. If not, pass.

pessoa00 · 24 June 2008, 06:48 AM

I guess it might also depend on the markets. GMTIIc has been widely available over here for quite some time now and although I didn't asked, I bet it is possible to get at least 10% off.

mike · 24 June 2008, 08:49 AM

I think it depends on where you're at. In my area there are no Milgauss in stores. I was in Vegas recently and the Milgauss was nowhere to be seen.

Steven79 · 24 June 2008, 09:18 AM

No milgauss here in Houston either. They are snatched up the moment dealers get them.

mailman · 24 June 2008, 09:24 AM

I saw a white dial one today in an AD's case.

RW16610 · 24 June 2008, 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veilstylez

IIc discounted? really?

Yeah I was wondering about what was stated above also.

Quote:

Originally Posted by astcell

The GV was $18k, I see it now for $13k. It's hype. Never buy DVDs or comic books that scream "Collector's Edition." It is only hype. WE decide what is the thing to have. I've never had anyone ask me for the collector's edition of a DVD.

When I got my SS GMT in 2006 no one really paid attention to it. Now it is discontinued and selling used for more than I paid new. It's a crapshoot. Just buy what you like. If you like the Milgauss, get it. If not, pass.

Glad to see someone understands how it works! Perfect example also classic car auctions like Barrett Jackson in USA. Old american muscle cars restored selling for six figures some near to or over 1 Million USD. Anyways part of the thrill for me, never knowing which one in my collection will be the biggest shocker in the future.

tphan · 24 June 2008, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steven79

No milgauss here in Houston either. They are snatched up the moment dealers get them.

Opposite of Dallas, blk & white Miguass are readily available at my AD. Grey market pricing has also dropped substantially.

Howie · 24 June 2008, 10:13 AM

Well an AD I left my name with a few months ago called, they have a white Milgauss with no buyer yet, they are in New Jersey. Seems the non GV versions are becoming available.

veilstylez · 24 June 2008, 04:35 PM

Milgausses are still rare in So Cali especially at list. Greys are asking 7- 8k.

BiG JeEzY · 24 June 2008, 04:42 PM

I have seen the white dial Milgauss in stock at my AD here in Northern California selling at list of course. I'm not surprised the Milgauss is becoming more common. They were released last year so its about time we started seeing more of them pop up in the ADs. The same also holds true for the SS GMT II-C.

The only exception is the Milgauss GV. My AD told me they only had one available for their entire chain of stores and it was sold long before it even could make it to any of the stores. Its clear that Rolex has not produced a lot of the GV model.

etp095 · 24 June 2008, 04:54 PM

my ad called me today and offered me a blk and wht milgaus.he also just got in a GMT IIc in as well,I passed on the offers.

scottschoe · 24 June 2008, 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by veilstylez

IIc discounted? really?

People (outside of CA) have already reported getting disounts on the IIC. It's not a limited edition - in a short time it will be everywhere, just like the GMTII was.

ral · 24 June 2008, 06:43 PM

Just checked on Ebay, and the BNIB Black and White dial versions can be had for US$6995~US$7500. Getting closer to its MSRP. The GV still seems to be at 15K.

CoopJr · 24 June 2008, 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ral

Just checked on Ebay, and the BNIB Black and White dial versions can be had for US$6995~US$7500. Getting closer to its MSRP. The GV still seems to be at 15K.

Check the "Completed Items"...because few are selling. As for the IIc..a discount on this watch in NJ is a given. To be more precise about my above post, I contacted 15 AD's recently (I had to check my records), 7 responded, 4 had them. 2 had white, 1 had black, 1 had both. No GV's as usual

han2 · 25 June 2008, 03:31 AM

Any A.D. around San Diego who might have Black Milgauss?... I would like to get one if possible. I'm currently in San Diego area, so if anyone who might know where to find one please help, thanks.

Jmca1 · 25 June 2008, 07:25 AM

Im hoping they become a bit more common. I am starting to really like the white Milgauss. Anyone know of a dealer in the NYC metro area that has one on display????

SPACE-DWELLER · 25 June 2008, 07:27 AM

I went to my AD today.

The had a white Milgauss in the window display:

CoopJr · 25 June 2008, 11:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jmca1

Im hoping they become a bit more common. I am starting to really like the white Milgauss. Anyone know of a dealer in the NYC metro area that has one on display????

Ross-Simons in NJ (201-226-9666) had a white one as of 2 days ago. Maybe it's still there.

Felly Jr. · 25 June 2008, 12:02 PM

One of my AD's just told me today that he's got a black and white that just came in. But, he hasn't seen any green come in yet.

wantonebad · 25 June 2008, 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ral

Just checked on Ebay, and the BNIB Black and White dial versions can be had for US$6995~US$7500. Getting closer to its MSRP. The GV still seems to be at 15K.

they aren't selling at that price, not quickly anyway, I've had three Milgauss' offered to me, I bought a black and a white, the black I donated to a charity auction and I passed on the other two. I tried to sell a white one for my neighbor and it took much longer then I thought it would and it ended up selling for what he paid for it, that was 3 months ago. Had he tried to sell it 5 months ago he would have made some money, I asked a grey dealer last week about it and she said her requests have fallen through the floor and she can't get much above MSRP

GBJIV · 25 June 2008, 03:20 PM

A couple of weeks ago I saw both White and Black Milgauss at Traditional Jewelers - Newport Beach (Fashion Island). Not sure if they are both still available. For San Diego TRF member - Newport Beach is about 1 hour and 20minutes - might be worth a call to them.

The Large Rolex store at South Coast Plaza claimed that they have not had any Milgauss in since they opened.

Good Luck!

gtbike72 · 25 June 2008, 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by han2

Any A.D. around San Diego who might have Black Milgauss?... I would like to get one if possible. I'm currently in San Diego area, so if anyone who might know where to find one please help, thanks.

i saw a white one in Carlsbad not to long ago

GBJIV · 25 June 2008, 03:26 PM

By the way - A post from Swatty the other day really got me thinking about the birth year Rolex concept.

A TRF member recommended a vintage dealer out of the UK. I was quoted
£27,500 for a silver dialed 1970 Milgauss (Would need to pay U.S. import tax I believe as well). Sounds like a wonderful piece - just a ton of money especially with U.S. dollar being so weak.

ral · 25 June 2008, 04:33 PM

From online reseller SwissLuxury:

Milguass 116400 GV

MSRP: 6,575.00
Swiss Luxury Price: US$18,000.00
Sale Price (in other words price of SL now): US$13,700.

They used to offer to buy this watch at 11K, now its down to $10,300.

Milguass 116400 Black

MSRP: 6,200.00
Swiss Luxury Price: US$7,995.00
Sale Price: US$7,595.

They are only offering to buy this watch at $5,800, or below MSRP.

Milguass 116400 White

MSRP: 6,200.00
Swiss Luxury Price: US$7,995.00
Sale Price: US$6,795.

They are only offering to buy this watch at $5,200, or below MSRP.

24 June 2008, 03:15 AM	#1
pessoa00 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 164	Milgauss starting to become common? Hi, About 2 months ago I bought a white face milgauss while visiting NY. It was my 1st rolex (bought an SD after that) and I though at the time that I was really lucky to be able to find such a rare piece. A few weeks ago, I was visiting a local AD and he had a few white and black milgausses in its safe. I was so surprise that I even posted it here, in case someone might become interested. Today, I was visiting a shopping center and noticed that another local AD had opened a new store there. To my surprise they had one milgauss on the window (along with almost all remaining rolex collection except of course for the ss daytona and gv milgauss). I guess normal milgausses are becoming common, which is nice since such a nice watch should be available to anybody who is willing to pay for it (too bad the daytona isn't also becoming common, has I would love to get one) Is anyone here also noticing this? Do you thing its also only a matter of time for the GV also to become common (after production problems are solved)? How about the daytona? Will it always be the harder to get piece of the collection? Regards, António

24 June 2008, 04:35 AM	#2
scottschoe "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: CA Posts: 3,295	SS Daytona will always be rather hard to find at MSRP, IIC will soon be discounted widely, regular Milg is getting easier to find in AD, and I have no idea what's happening to the GV. My guess is it'll end up like the Daytona. __________________ __________________

24 June 2008, 04:35 AM	#3
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	Welcome to TRR, António! Yes, it does seem that the Milgauss ("ordinary" ones) watches are becoming increasingly availible, at least in Europe. Imho, it will take a while before the "GV" becomes readily availible, too, however. As for the SS Daytona, the SS version of the Daytona is the "cheapest" way to go, if you want a chronograph from Rolex. Therefore the demand is higher on the SS than on the TT and YG/WG models. Furthermore, Rolex and the AD's earn less money on selling the SS than on selling the TT and YG/WG models, so Rolex makes fewer of them for that reason. Also remember that many people put themselves on SEVERAL waiting lists for the SS Daytona, thereby creating longer than factual lists. The average AD gets two SS Daytonas per year (some have writtten about the theory that the AD get a LOT more than just two a year and sell the rest off to grey market dealers. Might be true, might not be true), but if the two a year rate is true, it is only natural that it is hard to get. You must also consider that Rolex is interested in having at least ONE really hyped up Rolex watch in its line. Reason: Rolex get a LOT of customers running into the AD shops to ask for the SS Daytona, and they would get the usual reply: "No, we have NO SS Daytonas, and we don't even bother to put customers on the list anymore! It makes no sense doing that! But look at this lovely Explorer II, white face, we just got in!....(blah blah blah!)" I bet many customers tend to get what the CAN get in that situation. Anyway, congrats on your white Milgauss! It's a sharp looking watch! Please post some pics of it! Enjoy your stay here and have fun! __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

24 June 2008, 04:58 AM	#5
toph "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: ChrisTOPHer Location: Sydney Watch: Rolex, Brellum, Posts: 12,601	Well in Glasgow i have seen 1- and its mine, the three AD's in the city centre have had one between them since introduction( so they say)- and its mine Secondly many of you say the GMT C II is becoming common- i have not seen one in any AD in Glasgow ( remember Glasgow is the third behind London and Birmingham largest city in the UK) __________________ "Where no counsel is the people fall, but in the multitude of counselors there is safety." Member No.# 11795

24 June 2008, 09:24 AM	#11
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	I saw a white dial one today in an AD's case. __________________ JJ

24 June 2008, 04:51 AM	#4
CoopJr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Coop Location: U.S.A. Watch: Subs Posts: 6,455	I think they are becoming more available. I'm making calls and sending emails in my hunt for one while I make my decision if I really want it. About 25% of the AD's I have contacted have a black or white, one had both..no one has a GV.

24 June 2008, 05:28 AM	#7
astcell "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Robert Location: Angelus Oaks, CA Watch: 116713 Posts: 6,828	The GV was $18k, I see it now for $13k. It's hype. Never buy DVDs or comic books that scream "Collector's Edition." It is only hype. WE decide what is the thing to have. I've never had anyone ask me for the collector's edition of a DVD. When I got my SS GMT in 2006 no one really paid attention to it. Now it is discontinued and selling used for more than I paid new. It's a crapshoot. Just buy what you like. If you like the Milgauss, get it. If not, pass.

24 June 2008, 06:48 AM	#8
pessoa00 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 164	I guess it might also depend on the markets. GMTIIc has been widely available over here for quite some time now and although I didn't asked, I bet it is possible to get at least 10% off.

24 June 2008, 08:49 AM	#9
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	I think it depends on where you're at. In my area there are no Milgauss in stores. I was in Vegas recently and the Milgauss was nowhere to be seen.

24 June 2008, 09:18 AM	#10
Steven79 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Steven Location: Houston Watch: Sub Posts: 1,175	No milgauss here in Houston either. They are snatched up the moment dealers get them.

24 June 2008, 10:13 AM	#14
Howie "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: New York Posts: 1,038	Well an AD I left my name with a few months ago called, they have a white Milgauss with no buyer yet, they are in New Jersey. Seems the non GV versions are becoming available.

24 June 2008, 04:35 PM	#15
veilstylez "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: so cali Posts: 1,253	Milgausses are still rare in So Cali especially at list. Greys are asking 7- 8k.

24 June 2008, 04:42 PM	#16
BiG JeEzY "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Jerome Location: N. California Watch: GMT I/EXP II/DJ Posts: 3,351	I have seen the white dial Milgauss in stock at my AD here in Northern California selling at list of course. I'm not surprised the Milgauss is becoming more common. They were released last year so its about time we started seeing more of them pop up in the ADs. The same also holds true for the SS GMT II-C. The only exception is the Milgauss GV. My AD told me they only had one available for their entire chain of stores and it was sold long before it even could make it to any of the stores. Its clear that Rolex has not produced a lot of the GV model. __________________ -Rolex Explorer II Black dial 16570 (circa 2001) -Rolex GMT Master I Pepsi 1675 (circa 1978) -Rolex Datejust TT Champagne 16233 (circa 1991) -Vintage Longines Automatic La Grande Classique -Vintage Seiko 6138 Automatic Chronograph with "Kakume" Dial

24 June 2008, 04:54 PM	#17
etp095 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: rudolph Location: chicago burbs Posts: 2,026	my ad called me today and offered me a blk and wht milgaus.he also just got in a GMT IIc in as well,I passed on the offers. __________________ tt date circa 69' 5513 circa 81' ss sub w/date (z) pepsi gmt for dad(D) polar expy II(z) 1675 gmt circa 68' ladies datejust on jubilee for mom (z) sea dweller16600(M) SS Sub-C(g) Omega Planet Ocean,45.5 on mesh(2500D)

24 June 2008, 06:43 PM	#19
ral Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 650	Just checked on Ebay, and the BNIB Black and White dial versions can be had for US$6995~US$7500. Getting closer to its MSRP. The GV still seems to be at 15K.

25 June 2008, 03:31 AM	#21
han2 Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Andy Location: USA Watch: Milgauss GV Posts: 39	Any A.D. around San Diego who might have Black Milgauss?... I would like to get one if possible. I'm currently in San Diego area, so if anyone who might know where to find one please help, thanks.

25 June 2008, 07:25 AM	#22
Jmca1 Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: NYC Posts: 82	Im hoping they become a bit more common. I am starting to really like the white Milgauss. Anyone know of a dealer in the NYC metro area that has one on display????

25 June 2008, 07:27 AM	#23
SPACE-DWELLER "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Bo Location: Denmark Watch: Rolex, of course! Posts: 22,436	I went to my AD today. The had a white Milgauss in the window display: __________________ With kind regards, Bo LocTite 221: The Taming Of The Screw...

25 June 2008, 12:02 PM	#25
Felly Jr. "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Felly Location: Washington State Watch: SS Daytona/GV Posts: 2,998	One of my AD's just told me today that he's got a black and white that just came in. But, he hasn't seen any green come in yet.

25 June 2008, 03:20 PM	#27
GBJIV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Jackson Location: So. California Posts: 2,893	A couple of weeks ago I saw both White and Black Milgauss at Traditional Jewelers - Newport Beach (Fashion Island). Not sure if they are both still available. For San Diego TRF member - Newport Beach is about 1 hour and 20minutes - might be worth a call to them. The Large Rolex store at South Coast Plaza claimed that they have not had any Milgauss in since they opened. Good Luck! __________________ Jackson

25 June 2008, 03:26 PM	#29
GBJIV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Real Name: Jackson Location: So. California Posts: 2,893	By the way - A post from Swatty the other day really got me thinking about the birth year Rolex concept. A TRF member recommended a vintage dealer out of the UK. I was quoted £27,500 for a silver dialed 1970 Milgauss (Would need to pay U.S. import tax I believe as well). Sounds like a wonderful piece - just a ton of money especially with U.S. dollar being so weak. __________________ Jackson

25 June 2008, 04:33 PM	#30
ral Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Philippines Posts: 650	From online reseller SwissLuxury: Milguass 116400 GV MSRP: 6,575.00 Swiss Luxury Price: US$18,000.00 Sale Price (in other words price of SL now): US$13,700. They used to offer to buy this watch at 11K, now its down to $10,300. Milguass 116400 Black MSRP: 6,200.00 Swiss Luxury Price: US$7,995.00 Sale Price: US$7,595. They are only offering to buy this watch at $5,800, or below MSRP. Milguass 116400 White MSRP: 6,200.00 Swiss Luxury Price: US$7,995.00 Sale Price: US$6,795. They are only offering to buy this watch at $5,200, or below MSRP.

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