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adr · 4 January 2016, 06:39 PM

Dear guys,

Kindly advise real or fake ?
The seller said bracelet is fake. But no idea about the watch.
Many thanks in advance.

AbsolutelyROLEX! · 4 January 2016, 10:40 PM

70216 band number?

J!m · 4 January 2016, 11:55 PM

Well, if it's a fake, it's a really nice case...

I can't see the dial well enough to comment on that.

Could be a Frankenstein. What is the serial? How do the serial and model number engravings look?

Knappo 1307 · 5 January 2016, 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adr

Dear guys,

Kindly advise real or fake ?
The seller said bracelet is fake. But no idea about the watch.
Many thanks in advance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by anderl712000

70216 band number?

Op was told the bracelet is fake..

123Blueface · 5 January 2016, 01:21 AM

Admitted fake band.
Then look at these two and decide.
Aside from dial and bezel, check out lugs.

123Blueface · 5 January 2016, 01:27 AM

A quick search found this.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....1&postcount=41

adr · 5 January 2016, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J!m

Well, if it's a fake, it's a really nice case...

I can't see the dial well enough to comment on that.

Could be a Frankenstein. What is the serial? How do the serial and model number engravings look?

Case overall very smooth & solid like a normal sub 14060/16610 case.
Letter E is equal with both ends.
Case serial 457,000
200M letter M is curved at end.
Dial font is small & i can't find an example.

The above is what I discovered reading blogs & foums.
This is the first vintage I am handling.
Kindly advise further. Thanks

adr · 5 January 2016, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 123Blueface

Admitted fake band.
Then look at these two and decide.
Aside from dial and bezel, check out lugs.

Bezel rotate left & right very smooth like nothing stopping at all.
Lungs smooth finishing polishing like 16610 & quite heavy.

adr · 5 January 2016, 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 123Blueface

A quick search found this.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....1&postcount=41

Yes back case very hard to close seems like the thread is worn off.
Need to turn many times then it just stop & with a little force it can move again. A few times it stop & lock.

Watch head with a little pressure up & down, can feel the movement knocking the case.

J!m · 5 January 2016, 02:09 AM

Pictures are worth 1000 words.

Without a lot more high quality pictures I would not spend more than $2000.00 US on this, assuming movement picture is of the actual watch for sale.

Probably best to avoid it if you can't get many sharp close up photos because it might be a really good fake.

AbsolutelyROLEX! · 5 January 2016, 02:10 AM

Something off with the case look at the lugs
Pearl is wrong too
I see it now too look at the shape of original movement rotor compared to OP,s
and colour of gears is off
That is a total fake, a very good one too
bottom of 12 marker is also too far away from the top of rolex crown, should almost touch

adr · 5 January 2016, 02:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J!m

Pictures are worth 1000 words.

Without a lot more high quality pictures I would not spend more than $2000.00 US on this, assuming movement picture is of the actual watch for sale.

Probably best to avoid it if you can't get many sharp close up photos because it might be a really good fake.

Is the movement genuine ?
Submariner has traces of red turning white.
Kindly advise the below picture.

J!m · 5 January 2016, 02:24 AM

Looking on my big monitor now...

Dial is fake.

Insert is fake.

Crown probably fake.

Bracelet (known) fake.

Movement under question- bridges look OK so it could be a fake with genuine bridges; however I am not aware of fake 15xx movements; only 3035's as used in 16610 era. Could be aftermarket parts on a gen movement too. five digit serial on the movement may be quite a bit older than the (I assume you meant) 4.5m serial range...

Final verdict (from me): RUN AWAY!!!!!

adr · 5 January 2016, 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J!m

Looking on my big monitor now...

Dial is fake.

Insert is fake.

Crown probably fake.

Bracelet (known) fake.

Movement under question- bridges look OK so it could be a fake with genuine bridges; however I am not aware of fake 15xx movements; only 3035's as used in 16610 era. Could be aftermarket parts on a gen movement too. five digit serial on the movement may be quite a bit older than the (I assume you meant) 4.5m serial range...

Final verdict (from me): RUN AWAY!!!!!

sorry my wrong, yes serial is 4,500,000
high possibility this movement 1570 is genuine ?
it ticks quite loud, like metal hitting metal.

J!m · 5 January 2016, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adr

Is the movement genuine ?
Submariner has traces of red turning white.
Kindly advise the below picture.

all red dial variants are well documented, so you could cross check it with those photos but I don't like the dial printing, particularly at the very bottom (SWISS t<25).

Serial range would not be correct for a red sub so the dial may have value (if genuine- not looking good right now) but that would certainly make me hesitate since it is clearly not the right case.

My initial reaction (RUN AWAY) stands...

adr · 5 January 2016, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anderl712000

Something off with the case look at the lugs
Pearl is wrong too
I see it now too look at the shape of original movement rotor compared to OP,s
and colour of gears is off
That is a total fake, a very good one too
bottom of 12 marker is also too far away from the top of rolex crown, should almost touch

Pearl I cant confirm tritium or not, it looks like a small round dot inside a plastic case.

adr · 5 January 2016, 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J!m

all red dial variants are well documented, so you could cross check it with those photos but I don't like the dial printing, particularly at the very bottom (SWISS t<25).

Serial range would not be correct for a red sub so the dial may have value (if genuine- not looking good right now) but that would certainly make me hesitate since it is clearly not the right case.

My initial reaction (RUN AWAY) stands...

Thanks Jim for your advise.
& thanks to you all too.

Paul_81 · 5 January 2016, 03:08 AM

Is the date not on the small side ?

J!m · 5 January 2016, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Paul_81

Is the date not on the small side ?

Likely due to the service crystal. Note mine also has a service dial.

Mine is smaller too, due to the crystal:

Wing Zero · 7 January 2016, 07:28 AM

dial fake
Insert fake
crown fake
4.5 mil sn# puts it as a replacement case.. but given that everything else is fake.. why put a gen case on it? Especially if you're too cheap to put a gen 702 crown for $75

4 January 2016, 06:39 PM	#1
adr "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Malaysia Posts: 185	1680 - Real or Fake Dear guys, Kindly advise real or fake ? The seller said bracelet is fake. But no idea about the watch. Many thanks in advance. Attached Images

4 January 2016, 10:40 PM	#2
AbsolutelyROLEX! "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Andy Location: Ontario, Canada Watch: AKA: ANDERL712000 Posts: 4,935	70216 band number? __________________ We want to be the first in the field and Rolex should be seen as the one and only-the best. Hans Wilsdorf, Rolex founder

5 January 2016, 02:10 AM	#11
AbsolutelyROLEX! "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: Andy Location: Ontario, Canada Watch: AKA: ANDERL712000 Posts: 4,935	Something off with the case look at the lugs Pearl is wrong too I see it now too look at the shape of original movement rotor compared to OP,s and colour of gears is off That is a total fake, a very good one too bottom of 12 marker is also too far away from the top of rolex crown, should almost touch __________________ We want to be the first in the field and Rolex should be seen as the one and only-the best. Hans Wilsdorf, Rolex founder

7 January 2016, 07:28 AM	#20
Wing Zero "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Real Name: JC Location: Earth Watch: 1680 ~ 16610LV Posts: 811	dial fake Insert fake crown fake 4.5 mil sn# puts it as a replacement case.. but given that everything else is fake.. why put a gen case on it? Especially if you're too cheap to put a gen 702 crown for $75 __________________ ********************** **********************

4 January 2016, 11:55 PM	#3
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,839	Well, if it's a fake, it's a really nice case... I can't see the dial well enough to comment on that. Could be a Frankenstein. What is the serial? How do the serial and model number engravings look?

5 January 2016, 01:21 AM	#5
123Blueface "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: USA Watch: All Posts: 5,316	Admitted fake band. Then look at these two and decide. Aside from dial and bezel, check out lugs.

5 January 2016, 01:27 AM	#6
123Blueface "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Location: USA Watch: All Posts: 5,316	A quick search found this. http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....1&postcount=41

5 January 2016, 02:09 AM	#10
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,839	Pictures are worth 1000 words. Without a lot more high quality pictures I would not spend more than $2000.00 US on this, assuming movement picture is of the actual watch for sale. Probably best to avoid it if you can't get many sharp close up photos because it might be a really good fake.

5 January 2016, 02:24 AM	#13
J!m "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Jim Location: Connecticut Watch: this! Hold my beer Posts: 2,839	Looking on my big monitor now... Dial is fake. Insert is fake. Crown probably fake. Bracelet (known) fake. Movement under question- bridges look OK so it could be a fake with genuine bridges; however I am not aware of fake 15xx movements; only 3035's as used in 16610 era. Could be aftermarket parts on a gen movement too. five digit serial on the movement may be quite a bit older than the (I assume you meant) 4.5m serial range... Final verdict (from me): RUN AWAY!!!!!

5 January 2016, 03:08 AM	#18
Paul_81 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: England Watch: Exp 2 polar white Posts: 1,147	Is the date not on the small side ?

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