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The Joker · 20 January 2016, 06:50 AM

Just hearing on the news today that the postmortem into the UK election opinion polls says key groups were underrepresented in surveys. Basically the polls got it completely wrong, as one party triumphed.

Ok not to get political but this got me thinking(It does happen, but not often

) I want to know what you think about the polls here on TRF, there are quite a lot of them, do I buy this watch or this.

Does the OP actually pay attention to the outcome? Do these polls actually tell us anything we don't know? (yes the sub is the most popular Rolex) Do you enjoy these polls? Let me know what you think.

TheRolexKingofLV · 20 January 2016, 06:53 AM

Any knowledge is useful

Knappo 1307 · 20 January 2016, 06:53 AM

Useless

Thatguy · 20 January 2016, 07:17 AM

As useful as any other poll

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Lordofrolex · 20 January 2016, 07:30 AM

Its nice having polls but there always so close in terms of outcome that it really doesn't help the person that much.

Also a lot of the time people are looking for reviews, reasoning and why behind a question. When i was trying to choose between watches i only listen to the people who gave me a reasoning or why they choose that decision. And not someone who just say "get the DD".

swils8610 · 20 January 2016, 07:30 AM

It is knowledge. However most polls are based on opinions not facts. Depends if it's an opinion or fact poll...

sickened1 · 20 January 2016, 07:41 AM

For me, polls are just for fun to see which one TRF'ers like more (which dial color, case size and so on). Ultimately I make the final decision whether it's a popular choice or not.

FTX I · 20 January 2016, 07:45 AM

Useful. As example I was curious to know how many Subs members here own and I used a poll to find out. Interesting numbers were revealed at least for me.

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=451139

Rock · 20 January 2016, 09:24 AM

I tend to think that few people - in a decision situation - are totally undecided/neutral or open to persuasion based on rational argument.
When friends ask my opinion, I am aware that they often have a strong existing bias and are looking for someone to play 'Devil's Advocate' for them - which is perfectly reasonable and sensible.
'Other opinions' (Polls) are most useful when it is possible to access 'expert knowledge' that you did not have yourself.
"Popular opinion" is of no interest to me.

Psmith · 20 January 2016, 09:28 AM

A true TRF-er would ask for the 'Both' option

AK797 · 20 January 2016, 09:32 AM

Generally a poll is a bit of fun, but we all have members here who we respect or even consider friends and their opinions are always valued.

ltmgeller · 20 January 2016, 10:23 AM

There is a sway to most of these polls in favor of Rolex obviously. I enjoy reading the responses.

cdmorenot · 20 January 2016, 11:11 AM

A few weeks ago I started a poll and I gave the audience four 39mm choices. One of the people that responded sent me a link to a short video of his Hulk. Three days later I went out and I bought one.

So I will say that they can be useful if the person that starts it is really seeking answers.

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CRM114 · 20 January 2016, 01:01 PM

Both I suppose.

TRF polls are entirely useless as far as outcomes being representative (or those responding being a reliable cross-section) of what the larger Rolex-buying world's buyers and owners think. 100% self-selected (a big, scientific polling no-no) on multiple levels and using no sampling methodology whatsoever renders them 100% useless as far as extrapolating the outcome and using it as predictor or measure of anything outside the bounds of the even smaller sub-group of TRF members who selected the particular "poll" question to answer.

Whether a TRF poll-maker values the collective opinion of a tiny, self-selected sampling of responders within a small, self-selected internet forum group that itself has a mostly ever-changing, transient cast of enthused, active participants who happen to get online and see question and care enough to answer before the thread is bumped downwards and onto Page 2,3 --> oblivion is entirely up to them.

If the TRF pollster is using a poll to simply generate written, persuasive opinions about this or that then it's more of a sounding board exercise and there's really no need to cast it as a "poll" at all. A simple question will do as there's no real need or reason to collect so-called "poll" numbers.

On the other hand, it's sort of fun to just click on stuff.

Gagebuilder · 20 January 2016, 04:00 PM

Polls are USELESS.

Unless Paul's involved.

Kingair · 20 January 2016, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gagebuilder

Polls are USELESS.

Unless Paul's involved.

X 2 !

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BNA/LION · 20 January 2016, 04:03 PM

I think they are...

I just tested a POLL to see what others would do when buying two different cars and the majority of TRF Members voted to do what I ending up doing.

POLL
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=453844

Results of POLL
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=454031

beshannon · 20 January 2016, 10:34 PM

As always it depends on how the question is worded and what answers are allowed

GradyPhilpott · 21 January 2016, 02:21 AM

A well designed poll on TRF could say something valid about those who actually answer the poll.

However, I don't think I've ever seen a poll on TRF that was well done.

Polling is a science and there are all kinds of variables that must be considered to control for bias, for instance.

Honestly, the average person has no interest in controlling for bias even if he knew how.

Let's just say that TRF polls can be fun.

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Rockrolex · 21 January 2016, 02:34 AM

Yes and no.

SemperFi · 21 January 2016, 03:05 AM

I've done a few myself and think they can be of value. At the very least they're fun.

TheVTCGuy · 21 January 2016, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gagebuilder

Polls are USELESS.

Unless Paul's involved.

I always liked you Doug.

TheVTCGuy · 21 January 2016, 04:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingair

X 2 !

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You too Marc.

dysondiver · 21 January 2016, 04:25 AM

lies , damned lies , and statistics , but why are we picking on the Polish folk in our midst , far better to pick on estate agents or lawyers , infact , tax men would be higher on my list ...
messing aside , i think the polls are interesting , im often in the minority , but i find that interesting too. fter all its only a bit of fun.

GradyPhilpott · 21 January 2016, 09:42 AM

I'm sorry. I obviously didn't read far enough. I thought we were discussing board polls.

Still, any poll is only as good as its design and execution and even then it's only a snapshot in time.

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Eric Chan · 21 January 2016, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swils8610

It is knowledge. However most polls are based on opinions not facts. Depends if it's an opinion or fact poll...

In complete agreement.

Personally, I find the polls more entertaining than useful.

GB-man · 21 January 2016, 09:54 AM

Just something for us to do and pass the time

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20 January 2016, 06:50 AM	#1
The Joker "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Gotham Posts: 9,641	Are TRF polls useful or useless? Just hearing on the news today that the postmortem into the UK election opinion polls says key groups were underrepresented in surveys. Basically the polls got it completely wrong, as one party triumphed. Ok not to get political but this got me thinking(It does happen, but not often) I want to know what you think about the polls here on TRF, there are quite a lot of them, do I buy this watch or this. Does the OP actually pay attention to the outcome? Do these polls actually tell us anything we don't know? (yes the sub is the most popular Rolex) Do you enjoy these polls? Let me know what you think.

20 January 2016, 06:53 AM	#2
TheRolexKingofLV "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2015 Real Name: Trace Location: Vegas/Bay Area Posts: 9,234	Any knowledge is useful __________________ Official Host "The Penthouse Party" Las Vegas 2018 Instagram @tracenunes

20 January 2016, 07:30 AM	#5
Lordofrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Brandon Location: Los Angeles, CA Watch: Yes Please! Posts: 6,691	Its nice having polls but there always so close in terms of outcome that it really doesn't help the person that much. Also a lot of the time people are looking for reviews, reasoning and why behind a question. When i was trying to choose between watches i only listen to the people who gave me a reasoning or why they choose that decision. And not someone who just say "get the DD". __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 116710LN Panerai PAM 359 Audemars Piguet RO 15300OR Follow me on Instagram: @b_jakobovich

20 January 2016, 09:24 AM	#9
Rock 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Rocky Location: Australia Watch: Grail:Bluesy Posts: 17,850	I tend to think that few people - in a decision situation - are totally undecided/neutral or open to persuasion based on rational argument. When friends ask my opinion, I am aware that they often have a strong existing bias and are looking for someone to play 'Devil's Advocate' for them - which is perfectly reasonable and sensible. 'Other opinions' (Polls) are most useful when it is possible to access 'expert knowledge' that you did not have yourself. "Popular opinion" is of no interest to me. __________________ Cellini 4112. Sub 14060M. DJ 16233. Rotherhams 1847 Pocket-watch. Foundation Member of 'Horologists Anonymous' "Hi, I'm Rocky, and I'm a Horologist..."

20 January 2016, 06:53 AM	#3
Knappo 1307 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Sea Dweller Posts: 8,561	Useless

20 January 2016, 07:17 AM	#4
Thatguy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Wayne Location: California Watch: Rolex, PAM Posts: 3,302	As useful as any other poll Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

20 January 2016, 07:30 AM	#6
swils8610 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: shannon Location: usa Posts: 9,211	It is knowledge. However most polls are based on opinions not facts. Depends if it's an opinion or fact poll...

20 January 2016, 07:41 AM	#7
sickened1 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Ed Location: SoCal Watch: ugiveiswatchuget Posts: 9,054	For me, polls are just for fun to see which one TRF'ers like more (which dial color, case size and so on). Ultimately I make the final decision whether it's a popular choice or not.

20 January 2016, 07:45 AM	#8
FTX I "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Real Name: Flavio Location: N/A Posts: 14,654	Useful. As example I was curious to know how many Subs members here own and I used a poll to find out. Interesting numbers were revealed at least for me. http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=451139

20 January 2016, 09:28 AM	#10
Psmith "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Clive Location: Exoplanet Watch: spring-driven Posts: 38,856	A true TRF-er would ask for the 'Both' option __________________

20 January 2016, 09:32 AM	#11
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,369	Generally a poll is a bit of fun, but we all have members here who we respect or even consider friends and their opinions are always valued.

20 January 2016, 10:23 AM	#12
ltmgeller 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: New York Watch: Rolex Posts: 22,591	There is a sway to most of these polls in favor of Rolex obviously. I enjoy reading the responses.

20 January 2016, 11:11 AM	#13
cdmorenot 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Real Name: Carlos. Location: NNJ - MDE Watch: = Want them all. Posts: 3,700	A few weeks ago I started a poll and I gave the audience four 39mm choices. One of the people that responded sent me a link to a short video of his Hulk. Three days later I went out and I bought one. So I will say that they can be useful if the person that starts it is really seeking answers. Sent from my SM-N920T using Tapatalk __________________ \| Breguet \| Cartier \| Casio \| Hublot \| IWC \| Omega \| Rolex \| Seiko \|

20 January 2016, 01:01 PM	#14
CRM114 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Location: HK & USA Watch: GMTs,1803, 16610LV Posts: 2,001	Both I suppose. TRF polls are entirely useless as far as outcomes being representative (or those responding being a reliable cross-section) of what the larger Rolex-buying world's buyers and owners think. 100% self-selected (a big, scientific polling no-no) on multiple levels and using no sampling methodology whatsoever renders them 100% useless as far as extrapolating the outcome and using it as predictor or measure of anything outside the bounds of the even smaller sub-group of TRF members who selected the particular "poll" question to answer. Whether a TRF poll-maker values the collective opinion of a tiny, self-selected sampling of responders within a small, self-selected internet forum group that itself has a mostly ever-changing, transient cast of enthused, active participants who happen to get online and see question and care enough to answer before the thread is bumped downwards and onto Page 2,3 --> oblivion is entirely up to them. If the TRF pollster is using a poll to simply generate written, persuasive opinions about this or that then it's more of a sounding board exercise and there's really no need to cast it as a "poll" at all. A simple question will do as there's no real need or reason to collect so-called "poll" numbers. On the other hand, it's sort of fun to just click on stuff.

20 January 2016, 04:00 PM	#15
Gagebuilder "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Doug Location: Detroit Area Watch: out for yelow snow Posts: 1,067	Polls are USELESS. Unless Paul's involved. __________________ So it's not the steam that causes the failure, but it's water that you notice in the watch after a shower that could lead you to believe the steam damaged the seal, but it's just the unfortunate result of an unserviced mechanical beast.

20 January 2016, 04:03 PM	#17
BNA/LION 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2011 Real Name: Larry Location: San Diego, CA Watch: ROLEX Posts: 25,663	Are TRF polls useful or useless? I think they are... I just tested a POLL to see what others would do when buying two different cars and the majority of TRF Members voted to do what I ending up doing. POLL http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=453844 Results of POLL http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=454031 __________________ ✦ 28238 President DD 18K/YG ✦ 16610LN SS Sub ✦ 16613 18K/SS Serti ✦ 16550 Exp II Non-Rail Cream Dial ✦ Daytona C 116500 ✦ 126710 BLRO GMT-Master II ✦ NEXT-->? ⛳ Hole In One! 10/3/19 DMCC 5th hole, par 3, 168 yards w/ 4-Iron.

20 January 2016, 10:34 PM	#18
beshannon "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Brian Location: Northern Virginia Watch: One of Not Many Posts: 17,892	As always it depends on how the question is worded and what answers are allowed __________________ IWC Portugieser 7 Day, Omega Seamaster SMP300m, Vacheron Constantin Traditionnelle Complete Calendar, Glashutte PanoInverse, Glashutte SeaQ Panorama Date, Omega Aqua Terra 150, Omega CK 859, Omega Speedmaster 3861 Moonwatch, Breitling Superocean Steelfish, JLC Atmos Transparent Clock

21 January 2016, 02:21 AM	#19
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK047 Posts: 34,460	A well designed poll on TRF could say something valid about those who actually answer the poll. However, I don't think I've ever seen a poll on TRF that was well done. Polling is a science and there are all kinds of variables that must be considered to control for bias, for instance. Honestly, the average person has no interest in controlling for bias even if he knew how. Let's just say that TRF polls can be fun. Sent from my SM-G900V __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

21 January 2016, 02:34 AM	#20
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,970	Yes and no. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

21 January 2016, 03:05 AM	#21
SemperFi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Angelo Location: Brooklyn, NY Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 42,164	I've done a few myself and think they can be of value. At the very least they're fun.

21 January 2016, 04:25 AM	#24
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	lies , damned lies , and statistics , but why are we picking on the Polish folk in our midst , far better to pick on estate agents or lawyers , infact , tax men would be higher on my list ... messing aside , i think the polls are interesting , im often in the minority , but i find that interesting too. fter all its only a bit of fun.

21 January 2016, 09:42 AM	#25
GradyPhilpott 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: Seiko #SRK047 Posts: 34,460	I'm sorry. I obviously didn't read far enough. I thought we were discussing board polls. Still, any poll is only as good as its design and execution and even then it's only a snapshot in time. Sent from my SM-G900V __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

21 January 2016, 09:54 AM	#27
GB-man 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: USA Watch: addiction issues Posts: 37,356	Just something for us to do and pass the time

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