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CJamesG · 13 March 2016, 09:20 AM

Hi, first post on here but have been browsing for a while.

I am looking at buying a GMT Master II with the 'Pepsi' bezel, I have found a 2001 model in a shop through a friend so I am happy all is legit.

This will be my first Rolex and first pre owned watch so is there any due diligence I need to do before handing over the money?

I have seen a few for sale that mention they originally had a black bezel but had it swapped out for either a 'Pepsi' or 'coke' coloured one. Is there any value in having a watch that came with the different coloured bezel from new? And is there any way of telling from the serial number?

Sorry if they are silly questions but couldnt find any answers from searching the web or the forum.

Looking forward to owning my first Rolex!

Tools · 13 March 2016, 10:58 AM

No, the watches are identical and there is no way to tell what insert came in what watch based on a serial number.

Some US models did have a build suffix on the original paperwork such as 16710A, B, or N for black.

There is no value difference since any insert can be fitted at any time.

T. Ferguson · 13 March 2016, 11:08 AM

As Larry mentioned, so long as you are looking at a 16710 reference GMT, it was available in all three bezels - Coke, Pepsi, and all black.

WS9D · 13 March 2016, 04:07 PM

If you've bought the seller, do it!!

77T · 13 March 2016, 04:15 PM

As Larry said, the GMT itself is mechanically identical regardless of the bezel insert's color.

As for the value question, you will find varying degrees of WIS-dom on the point of originality. By that I mean if you were to sell it later, having original paperwork that showed 16710B For. Pepsi GMT is construed by some WIS as a major plus.

The same is true of the other GMT icon - the Root Beer insert on the two-tone model.

But if you're just going to enjoy it for your natural lifetime, and the seller is legit, then not an issue...

Timesurfer · 13 March 2016, 11:32 PM

Buy the seller, there is a reason this is utered countlessly

References, references, references

If you´re comfortable.... Good luck, let us know how it goes!

Boaters · 14 March 2016, 01:38 AM

Good choice 16710 is awesome with all the different looks good luck and post some pics when you get it

ratty · 14 March 2016, 02:10 AM

Hello

Welcome to the forum.

I see you are in St Albans, I'm in WGC.

Have you seen the watch in a local shop?

blue lion · 14 March 2016, 05:12 AM

As mentioned, if you trust the seller and it's the watch you want then get it. You can swap out the bezels so I'd focus more on the watch quality, service, cost, etc, than which bezel it has.

strafer_kid · 14 March 2016, 07:24 AM

16710 GMT is a great watch - excellent choice!

CJamesG · 14 March 2016, 04:39 PM

Thanks for all the replies, it's a good friend who has dealt with this shop before and has seen the watch in question with papers so I am happy with them.

Will let you know how I get on.

Ratty, it's a not from St Albans, Kings Hill Jewellers has Submariners every so often but I was looking for a Kermit or a GMT Pepsi and this one came up not too far away.

Mick P · 14 March 2016, 07:50 PM

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DCgator · 14 March 2016, 09:41 PM

Welcome aboard and happy hunting!

CJamesG · 25 March 2016, 04:15 AM

I picked the watch up a couple of days ago and am very happy with it! Having only tried Subs and a Milgauss on I thought the GMT would feel bigger for some reason but it feels like the perfect size and weight.

I really like the colour of the bezel and love the way the GMT hand works. I travel a lot for work so look forward to using that feature for real!

I bought it from Maunder Watches in Guilford and can recommend them, Oscar was a great to deal with and they obviously have a passion and knowledge for watches.

Just need to get a written valuation for insurance purposes now, Allianz added it to my home insurance policy for £13 for the remaining 6 months so another recommendation there!

IMG_1131 by Chris Gregory, on Flickr

strafer_kid · 26 March 2016, 07:20 PM

Its a beauty - enjoy in good health!

13 March 2016, 09:20 AM	#1
CJamesG "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: St Albans Posts: 3	GMT Master II 'Pepsi' questions Hi, first post on here but have been browsing for a while. I am looking at buying a GMT Master II with the 'Pepsi' bezel, I have found a 2001 model in a shop through a friend so I am happy all is legit. This will be my first Rolex and first pre owned watch so is there any due diligence I need to do before handing over the money? I have seen a few for sale that mention they originally had a black bezel but had it swapped out for either a 'Pepsi' or 'coke' coloured one. Is there any value in having a watch that came with the different coloured bezel from new? And is there any way of telling from the serial number? Sorry if they are silly questions but couldnt find any answers from searching the web or the forum. Looking forward to owning my first Rolex!

13 March 2016, 10:58 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	No, the watches are identical and there is no way to tell what insert came in what watch based on a serial number. Some US models did have a build suffix on the original paperwork such as 16710A, B, or N for black. There is no value difference since any insert can be fitted at any time. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

13 March 2016, 11:08 AM	#3
T. Ferguson "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Left Coast Posts: 7,025	As Larry mentioned, so long as you are looking at a 16710 reference GMT, it was available in all three bezels - Coke, Pepsi, and all black. __________________ *Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.*

13 March 2016, 04:15 PM	#5
77T 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: PaulG Location: Georgia Posts: 42,013	GMT Master II 'Pepsi' questions As Larry said, the GMT itself is mechanically identical regardless of the bezel insert's color. As for the value question, you will find varying degrees of WIS-dom on the point of originality. By that I mean if you were to sell it later, having original paperwork that showed 16710B For. Pepsi GMT is construed by some WIS as a major plus. The same is true of the other GMT icon - the Root Beer insert on the two-tone model. But if you're just going to enjoy it for your natural lifetime, and the seller is legit, then not an issue... __________________ Does anyone really know what time it is?

14 March 2016, 07:50 PM	#12
Mick P Banned Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: UK / Spain Watch: 39mm Explorer Posts: 1,990	Trusted Sellers .

13 March 2016, 04:07 PM	#4
WS9D "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Steve Location: Shasta Watch: es..More Watches! Posts: 2,415	If you've bought the seller, do it!!

13 March 2016, 11:32 PM	#6
Timesurfer "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: 12,000+ Lakes! Watch: 16710 Daytona BLNR Posts: 840	Buy the seller, there is a reason this is utered countlessly References, references, references If you´re comfortable.... Good luck, let us know how it goes!

14 March 2016, 01:38 AM	#7
Boaters 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD Posts: 10,653	Good choice 16710 is awesome with all the different looks good luck and post some pics when you get it

14 March 2016, 02:10 AM	#8
ratty "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Graham Location: UK Watch: Daytonas and Subs Posts: 2,810	Hello Welcome to the forum. I see you are in St Albans, I'm in WGC. Have you seen the watch in a local shop?

14 March 2016, 05:12 AM	#9
blue lion "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Florida State! Watch: It's just a watch. Posts: 1,463	As mentioned, if you trust the seller and it's the watch you want then get it. You can swap out the bezels so I'd focus more on the watch quality, service, cost, etc, than which bezel it has.

14 March 2016, 07:24 AM	#10
strafer_kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Kenny Location: northern ireland Watch: SDs, Subs & GMTs Posts: 5,136	16710 GMT is a great watch - excellent choice!

14 March 2016, 04:39 PM	#11
CJamesG "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: St Albans Posts: 3	Thanks for all the replies, it's a good friend who has dealt with this shop before and has seen the watch in question with papers so I am happy with them. Will let you know how I get on. Ratty, it's a not from St Albans, Kings Hill Jewellers has Submariners every so often but I was looking for a Kermit or a GMT Pepsi and this one came up not too far away.

14 March 2016, 09:41 PM	#13
DCgator "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: PNW Watch: DS,BLNR,SubLV,DJ2 Posts: 8,123	Welcome aboard and happy hunting!

25 March 2016, 04:15 AM	#14
CJamesG "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: St Albans Posts: 3	I picked the watch up a couple of days ago and am very happy with it! Having only tried Subs and a Milgauss on I thought the GMT would feel bigger for some reason but it feels like the perfect size and weight. I really like the colour of the bezel and love the way the GMT hand works. I travel a lot for work so look forward to using that feature for real! I bought it from Maunder Watches in Guilford and can recommend them, Oscar was a great to deal with and they obviously have a passion and knowledge for watches. Just need to get a written valuation for insurance purposes now, Allianz added it to my home insurance policy for £13 for the remaining 6 months so another recommendation there! IMG_1131 by Chris Gregory, on Flickr

26 March 2016, 07:20 PM	#15
strafer_kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Kenny Location: northern ireland Watch: SDs, Subs & GMTs Posts: 5,136	Its a beauty - enjoy in good health!

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