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Tan · 12 May 2016, 04:36 AM

Hi all,

I'm considering trading my AP 15300 for one of these two watches. Either a 5513 meters first or a Mark III Red Sub. Here is what I know may be issues with these watches.

1) 5513 has a replaced crown, bracelet (1970s), and potentially hands. See pics below.

2) Red Sub has missing pearl, damaged dial, replaced bracelet.

Are these good trades for an AP 15300?

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Lordofrolex · 12 May 2016, 04:43 AM

If the reds pearl was still intact i would go with the red. THe broken dial is actually a nice vintage look. So is all the cracks on the bezel.

Tan · 12 May 2016, 05:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lordofrolex

If the reds pearl was still intact i would go with the red. THe broken dial is actually a nice vintage look. So is all the cracks on the bezel.

Thanks for the feedback. I wasn't sure if the missing paint significantly decreased the value of the dial. The Red Submariner has had moisture damage which has caused a good amount of the luminous material to deteriorate.

Is either of these options a bad trade for a 15300?

eco8gator · 12 May 2016, 06:07 AM

Heck no!

Your AP is amazing...and worth more than either of those.

I'd wait for something nicer.

Rameez-Q · 12 May 2016, 06:44 AM

Damaged dial = hard resale

5513 is nice but I'd imagine your AP is worth more than either

Jp28 · 12 May 2016, 07:28 AM

No way for either given the condition they are in.

HL65 · 12 May 2016, 07:31 AM

Pass

agsstructures · 12 May 2016, 07:36 AM

No way, that dial is bad. The money is in the dial of a red sub.

qadhi · 12 May 2016, 09:01 AM

I would be least bothered about the pearl as the older tritium pearls are not too difficult to find and the watch retains its value even without the pearl..heck you can even find a thick 1680 insert too but that red dial is damaged and you can't do anything about it..IMHO you should stay away from both of these watches

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JohnnyNoDate · 12 May 2016, 09:30 AM

A 15300 for a 5513 MF is a bad trade. A 15300 for a Red Sub would be a good trade.

However both pieces are lacking... It's an easy pass.

The cliche rules of vintage collecting:

Rule 1: Condition
Rule 2: Condition
Rule 3: Condition

PS. I think that same Red Sub has been floating around for years? That thing needs to be retired.

joli160 · 12 May 2016, 09:47 AM

Damaged dial is a no go on this sub. 5513 looks nice.
Check on pricing of yours and theirs before you go ahead

locutus49 · 12 May 2016, 09:53 AM

Pass (and I'm a Rolex guy).

thomaspp · 12 May 2016, 09:54 AM

I wouldn't trade for either of those two. There are much better red 1680s out there at the price of a 15300

GeoGio Greece · 12 May 2016, 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by locutus49

pass (and i'm a rolex guy).

+1

Fleetlord · 12 May 2016, 11:32 AM

100% pass

soundserious · 12 May 2016, 11:35 AM

Profoundly bad idea.

Gob Bluth · 12 May 2016, 11:37 AM

No brainer. Keep the AP.

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crowncollection · 12 May 2016, 11:44 AM

no go imho

traf · 12 May 2016, 09:23 PM

Another resounding no here

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Frogman4me · 12 May 2016, 10:49 PM

A partially missing hash mark on a red sub not the end of the world but a huge chip like that is just too much. I would look for a different red sub.

Boaters · 13 May 2016, 12:47 AM

Looks pretty beat up I would pass

Lrlx · 13 May 2016, 07:24 AM

AP is in another league just about every aspect. Another vote "no".

Nobody.Move · 13 May 2016, 07:50 AM

@Tan

We don't know the condition of your 15300, but I can imagine a scenario in which a trade trade for a Red 1680 would be a fair deal. However, like others have said, the 1680 you posted here...uh, no.

cuter118 · 13 May 2016, 08:42 AM

Keep the AP.. Pass

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okthenor · 13 May 2016, 09:52 AM

Yea, the dial damage on the red is a definite no go. The 5513 looks good to me but probably not up to the AP in value.

nick c · 13 May 2016, 12:23 PM

Pass as above

12 May 2016, 04:36 AM	#1
Tan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Canada Watch: PP 5320G Posts: 1,259	AP trade for one of these two Hi all, I'm considering trading my AP 15300 for one of these two watches. Either a 5513 meters first or a Mark III Red Sub. Here is what I know may be issues with these watches. 1) 5513 has a replaced crown, bracelet (1970s), and potentially hands. See pics below. 2) Red Sub has missing pearl, damaged dial, replaced bracelet. Are these good trades for an AP 15300? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12 May 2016, 04:43 AM	#2
Lordofrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Brandon Location: Los Angeles, CA Watch: Yes Please! Posts: 6,691	If the reds pearl was still intact i would go with the red. THe broken dial is actually a nice vintage look. So is all the cracks on the bezel. __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 116710LN Panerai PAM 359 Audemars Piguet RO 15300OR Follow me on Instagram: @b_jakobovich

12 May 2016, 06:44 AM	#5
Rameez-Q "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: UK Watch: Rolex Day Date, Posts: 666	Damaged dial = hard resale 5513 is nice but I'd imagine your AP is worth more than either __________________ Vintage, Vintage & more vintage!

12 May 2016, 07:31 AM	#7
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,005	Pass __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

12 May 2016, 09:47 AM	#11
joli160 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: NL Watch: Yachtmaster Posts: 14,757	Damaged dial is a no go on this sub. 5513 looks nice. Check on pricing of yours and theirs before you go ahead __________________ Day Date 18238, Yachtmaster 16622, Deepsea 116660, Submariner 116619, SkyD 326935, DJ 178271, DJ 69158, Yachtmaster 169622, GMT 116713LN, GMT 126711.

12 May 2016, 06:07 AM	#4
eco8gator "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Florida Watch: 5060/a Posts: 1,119	Heck no! Your AP is amazing...and worth more than either of those. I'd wait for something nicer.

12 May 2016, 07:28 AM	#6
Jp28 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Here and there Posts: 575	No way for either given the condition they are in.

12 May 2016, 07:36 AM	#8
agsstructures 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Brooklyn, NY Posts: 2,401	No way, that dial is bad. The money is in the dial of a red sub.

12 May 2016, 09:01 AM	#9
qadhi "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Karachi, Pakistan Posts: 152	I would be least bothered about the pearl as the older tritium pearls are not too difficult to find and the watch retains its value even without the pearl..heck you can even find a thick 1680 insert too but that red dial is damaged and you can't do anything about it..IMHO you should stay away from both of these watches Sent from my SM-G935F using Tapatalk

12 May 2016, 09:30 AM	#10
JohnnyNoDate "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2015 Location: USA Posts: 357	A 15300 for a 5513 MF is a bad trade. A 15300 for a Red Sub would be a good trade. However both pieces are lacking... It's an easy pass. The cliche rules of vintage collecting: Rule 1: Condition Rule 2: Condition Rule 3: Condition PS. I think that same Red Sub has been floating around for years? That thing needs to be retired.

12 May 2016, 09:53 AM	#12
locutus49 Banned Join Date: May 2014 Real Name: John Location: La Jolla, CA Watch: Platona Posts: 12,194	Pass (and I'm a Rolex guy).

12 May 2016, 09:54 AM	#13
thomaspp "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: N/A Posts: 11,137	I wouldn't trade for either of those two. There are much better red 1680s out there at the price of a 15300 __________________ Instagram: @watches_anonymous

12 May 2016, 11:32 AM	#15
Fleetlord 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Vain Posts: 6,023	100% pass

12 May 2016, 11:35 AM	#16
soundserious "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: usofmfa Posts: 3,157	Profoundly bad idea. __________________ Instagram: soundsoserious

12 May 2016, 11:37 AM	#17
Gob Bluth Banned Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Chicago Watch: 16610LV & 16710 Posts: 530	No brainer. Keep the AP. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

12 May 2016, 11:44 AM	#18
crowncollection "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: David Location: australia Posts: 20,216	no go imho __________________ watches many

12 May 2016, 09:23 PM	#19
traf "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: dave Location: miami Watch: me ride bikes Posts: 1,938	Another resounding no here Sent from my  iPhone 6 using Tapatalk

12 May 2016, 10:49 PM	#20
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	A partially missing hash mark on a red sub not the end of the world but a huge chip like that is just too much. I would look for a different red sub.

13 May 2016, 12:47 AM	#21
Boaters 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: Pacific Northwest Watch: 116610LV 16710 SD Posts: 10,653	Looks pretty beat up I would pass

13 May 2016, 07:24 AM	#22
Lrlx "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: ny Posts: 292	AP is in another league just about every aspect. Another vote "no".

13 May 2016, 07:50 AM	#23
Nobody.Move "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 266	@Tan We don't know the condition of your 15300, but I can imagine a scenario in which a trade trade for a Red 1680 would be a fair deal. However, like others have said, the 1680 you posted here...uh, no.

13 May 2016, 08:42 AM	#24
cuter118 Banned Join Date: Dec 2015 Location: usa Posts: 37	Keep the AP.. Pass Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

13 May 2016, 09:52 AM	#25
okthenor "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Dallas, TX Posts: 202	Yea, the dial damage on the red is a definite no go. The 5513 looks good to me but probably not up to the AP in value.

13 May 2016, 12:23 PM	#26
nick c Banned Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 26,846	Pass as above

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