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hawg · 3 June 2016, 04:30 AM

So I was talking to a reputable watchmaker and mentioned that my 16013 datejust had not been serviced for about 8 years. It is running good other that 9 seconds a day slow. I mentioned that I was thinking of a service and he said why. If that is all it is doing leave it until it runs much faster or slower. He mentioned that it could come back running the same. I thought that perhaps the oils may be drying up or at least have it checked out but according this I should just leave it. Any thoughts on this line of thinking by the watchmaker.

watchwatcher · 3 June 2016, 04:36 AM

Well...a much oft debated subject here. Bottom line, there really isn't a clear consensus on the subject of service.

I would say he's got a point, especially if the watch is consistent with its time keeping.

To be honest, that would bug me. I hate a watch that runs slow. Alternatively, you could ask him to regulate it for you and then just take a cursory look around inside to see what he thinks.

mjclark32 · 3 June 2016, 04:38 AM

Has it always run -9?

kneedeep · 3 June 2016, 04:42 AM

Curious advice coming from a watchmaker. I'd have it serviced and running within COSC. They are machines, tough ones, but they can be and are sometimes badly damaged running without lubricants or out of mechanical tolerances. This was from my reputable watchmaker.

TheVTCGuy · 3 June 2016, 04:42 AM

It's out of COSC, I would get it serviced (by a different watchmaker).

ref1655 · 3 June 2016, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by hawg

Any thoughts on this line of thinking by the watchmaker.

maybe he was planning to go on vacation & didn't want to have a backload of repairs/watch services when he got back.

around here...if some guy walks into an AD or watch repair facility requesting a basic service, 99% of them will gladly take in the watch as it's a guaranteed $400-$750 in their coffers.

-9 seconds a day (for a COSC certified Rolex) is unacceptable to many owners.

roadkillrob · 3 June 2016, 06:31 AM

I am in the if it ain't broke don't fix it camp, but -9 is broke in my book, way out of COSC, so if it was mine I would have it serviced.

brandrea · 3 June 2016, 06:35 AM

You could try having it regulated with a full service.

sensui · 3 June 2016, 06:55 AM

I'd try to get it regulated @ a watchmaker first before the full service. But I'd prefer my Rolex to run within COSC.

hawg · 3 June 2016, 07:23 AM

It ran about 5 seconds slow for a long time and gradually wound up being 9 seconds slow. I think your advice on getting it done is good.

Dial_M · 3 June 2016, 07:28 AM

-9 I don't see as keeping good time.
Could be worse but I'd fix.

Hollister · 3 June 2016, 07:36 AM

Leave it, it's fine. No-one buys a mechanical watch for the super-accurate timekeeping, after all.

Dirt · 3 June 2016, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Hollister

Leave it, it's fine. No-one buys a mechanical watch for the super-accurate timekeeping, after all.

Don't call me no-one.

tkerrmd · 3 June 2016, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by kneedeep

Curious advice coming from a watchmaker. I'd have it serviced and running within COSC. They are machines, tough ones, but they can be and are sometimes badly damaged running without lubricants or out of mechanical tolerances. This was from my reputable watchmaker.

This

Hollister · 3 June 2016, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirt

Don't call me no-one.

$25 Casio will beat any mechanical Rolex.

flathead59 · 3 June 2016, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Hollister

$25 Casio will beat any mechanical Rolex.

Here we go again.

Mark

Jeffwb65 · 3 June 2016, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Hollister

$25 Casio will beat any mechanical Rolex.

Trolling, obviously. Sad, really.

rolehex · 3 June 2016, 03:02 PM

How do you store it? Many watches gain/lose differently depending on how its laying down. For example I have an Omega that is -4 on its back but -1 on its face. So at night I if I lay it on its face I wont lose as much.

If you have a smartphone you can download some apps to test this yourself.

And I'm in the camp of not servicing yet and with no submerging.

ming the merciless · 3 June 2016, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeffwb65

Trolling, obviously. Sad, really.

Mm, he's got a point though. When I first met my wife years ago she had a " Swatch" that was a sort of " Rolex " Sub style, only smaller.

It didn't gain or lose 1 second a day. My Sub gained about 5 seconds daily then.

Wooddog44 · 4 June 2016, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

It's out of COSC, I would get it serviced (by a different watchmaker).

x2... the machine is only as good as it is made, and maintained, to be... service and regulate to COSC it, your watch, is telling you that the time for that service has come and gone long ago as whatever is "wrong" in there is only getting worse....

mui.richard · 11 June 2016, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by ming the merciless

Mm, he's got a point though. When I first met my wife years ago she had a " Swatch" that was a sort of " Rolex " Sub style, only smaller.

It didn't gain or lose 1 second a day. My Sub gained about 5 seconds daily then.

But that's not the point is it?

I think the digital age has led a large portion of the population to a place where nothing is appreciated for what it is. When you think about it a digital, disposable watch is like fast food...cheap, fast, serves one purpose, and you wouldn't miss it.

A decent watch is like a well prepared meal...takes time to make, and takes time and knowledge to actually enjoy.

a watch is meant to be worn

DaveDhc · 11 June 2016, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mui.richard

But that's not the point is it?

I think the digital age has led a large portion of the population to a place where nothing is appreciated for what it is. When you think about it a digital, disposable watch is like fast food...cheap, fast, serves one purpose, and you wouldn't miss it.

A decent watch is like a well prepared meal...takes time to make, and takes time and knowledge to actually enjoy.

a watch is meant to be worn

Good critical thinking. I feel the same way. For me the point is that it is a mechanical device devoid of electrical anything. I like the idea of having a high quality mechanical machine made with high quality materials. The historical and cultural connections are also important to me. If I need accurate time, I just look at my phone.

Tools · 11 June 2016, 05:01 AM

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Originally Posted by hawg

It ran about 5 seconds slow for a long time and gradually wound up being 9 seconds slow. I think your advice on getting it done is good.

I'm surprised that a "reputable watchmaker" would think 9 seconds a day is OK and not suggest that you have it regulated, a very quick and simple operation.

It's up to you if you want it fully serviced, but, as you say, it's been running out-of-spec for a long time and so that isn't really indicated.

3 June 2016, 04:30 AM	#1
hawg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 263	Thoughts on this conversation. So I was talking to a reputable watchmaker and mentioned that my 16013 datejust had not been serviced for about 8 years. It is running good other that 9 seconds a day slow. I mentioned that I was thinking of a service and he said why. If that is all it is doing leave it until it runs much faster or slower. He mentioned that it could come back running the same. I thought that perhaps the oils may be drying up or at least have it checked out but according this I should just leave it. Any thoughts on this line of thinking by the watchmaker.

3 June 2016, 04:38 AM	#3
mjclark32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: MJC Location: PHL USA Watch: IWC, Rolex, AP Posts: 29,232	Has it always run -9? __________________

3 June 2016, 04:36 AM	#2
watchwatcher "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Larry Location: Kentucky Watch: Yes Posts: 35,047	Well...a much oft debated subject here. Bottom line, there really isn't a clear consensus on the subject of service. I would say he's got a point, especially if the watch is consistent with its time keeping. To be honest, that would bug me. I hate a watch that runs slow. Alternatively, you could ask him to regulate it for you and then just take a cursory look around inside to see what he thinks.

3 June 2016, 04:42 AM	#4
kneedeep "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2014 Location: Not 2 far from u Posts: 3,457	Curious advice coming from a watchmaker. I'd have it serviced and running within COSC. They are machines, tough ones, but they can be and are sometimes badly damaged running without lubricants or out of mechanical tolerances. This was from my reputable watchmaker.

3 June 2016, 04:42 AM	#5
TheVTCGuy Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: San Diego Watch: 126619LB Posts: 21,540	It's out of COSC, I would get it serviced (by a different watchmaker).

3 June 2016, 06:31 AM	#7
roadkillrob "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Real Name: Rob Location: Boston Watch: 16610 Sub,ZblueMIL Posts: 167	I am in the if it ain't broke don't fix it camp, but -9 is broke in my book, way out of COSC, so if it was mine I would have it serviced.

3 June 2016, 06:35 AM	#8
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,115	You could try having it regulated with a full service.

3 June 2016, 06:55 AM	#9
sensui 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,443	I'd try to get it regulated @ a watchmaker first before the full service. But I'd prefer my Rolex to run within COSC.

3 June 2016, 07:23 AM	#10
hawg "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Saskatchewan Posts: 263	It ran about 5 seconds slow for a long time and gradually wound up being 9 seconds slow. I think your advice on getting it done is good.

3 June 2016, 07:28 AM	#11
Dial_M Banned Join Date: May 2016 Location: USA Posts: 31	-9 I don't see as keeping good time. Could be worse but I'd fix.

3 June 2016, 07:36 AM	#12
Hollister Banned Join Date: Apr 2016 Real Name: James Location: UK Watch: 114300 Posts: 1,750	Leave it, it's fine. No-one buys a mechanical watch for the super-accurate timekeeping, after all.

3 June 2016, 03:02 PM	#18
rolehex 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Thousand Oaks, CA Posts: 1,445	How do you store it? Many watches gain/lose differently depending on how its laying down. For example I have an Omega that is -4 on its back but -1 on its face. So at night I if I lay it on its face I wont lose as much. If you have a smartphone you can download some apps to test this yourself. And I'm in the camp of not servicing yet and with no submerging.

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