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Atone · 20 July 2016, 12:43 PM

Looking at possibly picking this watch up and I know very little about older Rolex. Owner states it is original bezel (appears to have faded nicely), spiderweb dial, has a brand new authentic rolex bracelet (and comes with original as well). Fresh back from authorized dealer service (which included water sealing). Any feedback on value range and or perceived issues would be greatly appreciated!!!

Vincent65 · 20 July 2016, 08:23 PM

Looks great to me - nice patina, awesome insert, sharp case, service and 2 bracelets. GFI.

brandrea · 21 July 2016, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

Looks great to me - nice patina, awesome insert, sharp case, service and 2 bracelets. GFI.

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Toronto Soup King · 20 July 2016, 11:43 PM

I'm no expert but I have an extremely similar 5513 and the WGS lume plots on mine don't look like someone with five cups of coffee in him applied them, is that a relumed service dial? Look at the 9, the 12, messy. And those hands look ratty and the bezel just dirty. Maybe the price is right but the watch?

If this is what you're looking for then have at it, but 5513s aren't rare and you might find another more attractive example. No offense eh just my opinion.

Atone · 21 July 2016, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Toronto Soup King

I'm no expert but I have an extremely similar 5513 and the WGS lume plots on mine don't look like someone with five cups of coffee in him applied them, is that a relumed service dial? Look at the 9, the 12, messy. And those hands look ratty and the bezel just dirty. Maybe the price is right but the watch?

If this is what you're looking for then have at it, but 5513s aren't rare and you might find another more attractive example. No offense eh just my opinion.

I appreciate the feedback. What would you guys surmise a watch like this would be roughly valued at?

Toronto Soup King · 21 July 2016, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Atone

I appreciate the feedback. What would you guys surmise a watch like this would be roughly valued at?

I wish I could give you an estimate. Most of my Rolexes (including the 5513 I mentioned) came from HQ Milton - I look at Jacek's valuations and allow for his profit, for a guesstimate of general market value. While I don't want to get too specific I paid under USD4K for head only from him eighteen months ago - sure I might've paid a little less from a private seller, but there's far less risk of a fake or franken when buying from a reputable large dealer like Jacek. Bracelets go for $500 to over $1000 for a new one, and if you get an old one you're going to have to pay to have it rehabbed by Michael Young or ABC...another couple of hundred bucks. If I were looking today I'd be happy to find a clean-looking serviced 5513 with a good 93150 bracelet for under USD5K. But I put zero value on patina that occurred (or was applied, harrumph) when I didn't own the watch, and as lots of members here will attest, patina can be a big factor in the price.

Other members here will give you a better idea. Best of luck with your search - the 5513 is a beautiful watch, even with a service dial it looks great, even with a NEW service dial it looks great, I much prefer mine to the Sub-Cs I see around.

Ghould · 21 July 2016, 01:03 AM

Insert looks beautiful, the lume plot at 1 would bother me though.

dbhak22 · 21 July 2016, 01:48 AM

You mention the dial has "spiderweb-ing" but it doesn't appear so in the pictures? It is hard to capture though so maybe that's the case...

Atone · 21 July 2016, 02:03 AM

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Originally Posted by dbhak22

You mention the dial has "spiderweb-ing" but it doesn't appear so in the pictures? It is hard to capture though so maybe that's the case...

I'm yet to see in person. That is what I was told by owner.

bdex75 · 22 July 2016, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghould

Insert looks beautiful, the lume plot at 1 would bother me though.

Think it is a reflection. The 9 and 12 are a little sloppy but overall it appears to be a very nice watch. I don't think you will get hurt at $4500.

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DevinH · 21 July 2016, 06:19 AM

Beautiful watch. Excellent insert. But I'm with the other comments as well, the lume plot on 1 would drive me nuts.

HERITAGE82 · 21 July 2016, 08:54 AM

With both bracelets I'd value it at about $5-5500.

Love the look!!

Atone · 21 July 2016, 11:10 AM

Thanks again guys. It's a trade which would put me in it about $4500. Is that an acceptable value to put on such a watch?

DevinH · 21 July 2016, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Atone

Thanks again guys. It's a trade which would put me in it about $4500. Is that an acceptable value to put on such a watch?

I'm no expert. But in my opinion. Yes.

Atone · 21 July 2016, 02:52 PM

Couple more pics

Atone · 22 July 2016, 11:56 AM

thanks again for all the input. I would love any ideas on a rough value and if I'm safe in it at $4500

HERITAGE82 · 22 July 2016, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Atone

thanks again for all the input. I would love any ideas on a rough value and if I'm safe in it at $4500

$4500 is a steal with both bracelets.

omitohud · 22 July 2016, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by HERITAGE82

$4500 is a steal with both bracelets.

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Just do it.

I blame it on the autoconnect.

zapokee · 23 July 2016, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Atone

thanks again for all the input. I would love any ideas on a rough value and if I'm safe in it at $4500

Safe. Hurry up and do it.

The_Walrus · 23 July 2016, 05:02 AM

Buy it and sell the extra bracelet

Perpetual74 · 23 July 2016, 05:01 PM

service bezel artificially faded, overall fot 4.500$ with two bracelets it's not bad.

Vincent65 · 23 July 2016, 07:33 PM

Doesn't look 'artificially faded' to me - how are you so sure?

Perpetual74 · 23 July 2016, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Vincent65

Doesn't look 'artificially faded' to me - how are you so sure?

Yes my friend.. 100%.. It looks nice but not originally faded...

There are several details from which you can see , just look , for example , silver numbers that appears " shaded " ..or the blue... I discolored different inserts ( service like this) , and the characteristics are always the same and they are exactly like this.

Atone · 24 July 2016, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Perpetual74

Yes my friend.. 100%.. It looks nice but not originally faded...

There are several details from which you can see , just look , for example , silver numbers that appears " shaded " ..or the blue... I discolored different inserts ( service like this) , and the characteristics are always the same and they are exactly like this.

So what would a truly time-faded bezel look like? And what would the differences be? Thanks again for all the educating.

aaamax · 24 July 2016, 04:35 AM

Not sure I see what the 1 plot has as an issue. It's a tick darker, but not that big of a deal imo… am I missing something?

Kingface66 · 24 July 2016, 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by aaamax

It's a tick darker

That's just it. Once it jumps out at you, not even necessarily egregiously, there's a good chance it will become the blemish that you see every single time you look at the dial. And for many, that would drive them crazy.

Atone · 24 July 2016, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingface66

That's just it. Once it jumps out at you, not even necessarily egregiously, there's a good chance it will become the blemish that you see every single time you look at the dial. And for many, that would drive them crazy.

I wouldn't be concerned as much with the little idiosyncratic things but a bezel that was intentionally and synthetically aged does bother me a bit.

20 July 2016, 12:43 PM	#1
Atone "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Jesse Location: Los Angeles Watch: TinTin! Posts: 2,704	Any savvier Rolex eyes have thoughts on this 5513 ~ '84 ?? Looking at possibly picking this watch up and I know very little about older Rolex. Owner states it is original bezel (appears to have faded nicely), spiderweb dial, has a brand new authentic rolex bracelet (and comes with original as well). Fresh back from authorized dealer service (which included water sealing). Any feedback on value range and or perceived issues would be greatly appreciated!!!

20 July 2016, 08:23 PM	#2
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	Looks great to me - nice patina, awesome insert, sharp case, service and 2 bracelets. GFI. __________________

21 July 2016, 01:48 AM	#8
dbhak22 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Daniel Location: PNW Watch: ♛ Posts: 3,063	You mention the dial has "spiderweb-ing" but it doesn't appear so in the pictures? It is hard to capture though so maybe that's the case... __________________ GMT II (16710) \| Explorer I (1016) \| Datejust I (116234) \| Submariner (1680) \| Day-Date (1803) \| Royal Oak (25594) \| FOIS (2998 spec) \| Submariner (16808)

21 July 2016, 08:54 AM	#12
HERITAGE82 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: South Florida Posts: 3,438	With both bracelets I'd value it at about $5-5500. Love the look!! __________________ - Rolex Explorer - 214270 - Tudor Black Bay - 79230B - Tudor Chronograph - 79270P - Breitling Chronomat - 10th Anniv. - Huguenin Freres Speedmaster Prototype

23 July 2016, 07:33 PM	#22
Vincent65 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Switzerland Posts: 14,298	Doesn't look 'artificially faded' to me - how are you so sure? __________________

20 July 2016, 11:43 PM	#4
Toronto Soup King "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Real Name: Pete Location: Toronto, Canada Watch: 1016. Posts: 694	I'm no expert but I have an extremely similar 5513 and the WGS lume plots on mine don't look like someone with five cups of coffee in him applied them, is that a relumed service dial? Look at the 9, the 12, messy. And those hands look ratty and the bezel just dirty. Maybe the price is right but the watch? If this is what you're looking for then have at it, but 5513s aren't rare and you might find another more attractive example. No offense eh just my opinion.

21 July 2016, 01:03 AM	#7
Ghould "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Real Name: Bill Location: Texas Posts: 63	Insert looks beautiful, the lume plot at 1 would bother me though.

21 July 2016, 06:19 AM	#11
DevinH "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: Georgia Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 437	Beautiful watch. Excellent insert. But I'm with the other comments as well, the lume plot on 1 would drive me nuts.

21 July 2016, 11:10 AM	#13
Atone "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Jesse Location: Los Angeles Watch: TinTin! Posts: 2,704	Thanks again guys. It's a trade which would put me in it about $4500. Is that an acceptable value to put on such a watch?

21 July 2016, 02:52 PM	#15
Atone "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Jesse Location: Los Angeles Watch: TinTin! Posts: 2,704	Couple more pics

22 July 2016, 11:56 AM	#16
Atone "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Jesse Location: Los Angeles Watch: TinTin! Posts: 2,704	thanks again for all the input. I would love any ideas on a rough value and if I'm safe in it at $4500

23 July 2016, 05:02 AM	#20
The_Walrus "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Real Name: George Location: Sydney Watch: 5513 Posts: 1,104	Buy it and sell the extra bracelet

23 July 2016, 05:01 PM	#21
Perpetual74 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2016 Location: Rome Posts: 91	service bezel artificially faded, overall fot 4.500$ with two bracelets it's not bad.

24 July 2016, 04:35 AM	#25
aaamax "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: Sweden of yore Posts: 483	Not sure I see what the 1 plot has as an issue. It's a tick darker, but not that big of a deal imo… am I missing something? __________________ * * * -Friends Don't Let Friends RSC-

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