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rolexnub · 19 August 2016, 07:41 AM

I am not sure if it is only my eyes or the light (or viewing angle) playing on me but I noticed the hour hand or lumed portion of it on the GMT Ceramic is wider than that of the Sub Ceramic. Rolex should have made the Sub hour hand the same as the GMT. I don’t have a picture right now of my BLNR and SubC side by side but below is a picture I taken from the internet.

Comments, thoughts specially from owners of both GMT and Sub?

mastersub · 20 August 2016, 12:09 AM

Good eye! I only have the GMT right now, but I've been looking at pics online (there are lots of BLNR vs Hulk side-by-side pics) and it does appear that the GMT has a wider stem as well as a larger Mercedes circle.

Lordofrolex · 20 August 2016, 12:16 AM

seems like that not 100% sure though

Danny83 · 20 August 2016, 12:18 AM

Hour hand on the Gmts are wider

OmegaJJH · 20 August 2016, 01:13 AM

It's because when Diving you are far less likely to be timing in hours. Minutes are far more important when under the water so the minute hand is designed to stand out.

When flying you are far more likely to be concerned with the hours so it is pronounced.

I've just completely made that up by the way

OmegaJJH · 20 August 2016, 01:14 AM

My Sub C's hour hand is narrower like the OP's picture.

Good spot !!

douglasf13 · 20 August 2016, 01:34 AM

Yep. The Sub has a longer and narrower stem with a smaller Mercedes circle.

mastersub · 20 August 2016, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OmegaJJH

It's because when Diving you are far less likely to be timing in hours. Minutes are far more important when under the water so the minute hand is designed to stand out.

When flying you are far more likely to be concerned with the hours so it is pronounced.

I've just completely made that up by the way

Rolex needs to hire you to help write their marketing materials!

T. Ferguson · 20 August 2016, 02:20 AM

They do appear different but I'm not sure why they should change the hour hand on the Sub to the one on the GMT.

rolexnub · 20 August 2016, 06:01 AM

Thanks to all who confirmed by observation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by T. Ferguson

They do appear different but I'm not sure why they should change the hour hand on the Sub to the one on the GMT.

Although it's only minimal in difference, it just looks nicer if both the hour and minute hands of the SubC have the same width as far as the lume is concerned. Every time I look at my lumed SubC just after entering the front door of my home, it reminds me of the narrow hour/minute hands of my previous Explorer.

douglasf13 · 20 August 2016, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by rolexnub

Thanks to all who confirmed by observation.

Although it's only minimal in difference, it just looks nicer if both the hour and minute hands of the SubC have the same width as far as the lume is concerned. Every time I look at my lumed SubC just after entering the front door of my home, it reminds me of the narrow hour/minute hands of my previous Explorer.

Yeah, they probably should have used the GMT hour hand on the SubC. Going from the 16610 to the 116610, Rolex beefed up the minute hand lume while leaving the hour hand lume essentially the same.

guy369 · 20 August 2016, 06:11 AM

Awesome catch!

Also, those two watches are synced up perfectly it looks like

masyv6 · 23 August 2016, 12:45 PM

Certainly looks that way!

Tseg · 23 August 2016, 01:59 PM

Much more lume cost in the GMT. #Bargain.

Tools · 23 August 2016, 02:11 PM

Some of you guys are just making stuff up...

The GMT hand is different because the center post of the GMT movement is 4x as large (and hollow too) to accommodate the extra 24 hr hand. They are not interchangeable at all, and are only similar in appearance.

padi56 · 23 August 2016, 05:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Some of you guys are just making stuff up...

The GMT hand is different because the center post of the GMT movement is 4x as large (and hollow too) to accommodate the extra 24 hr hand. They are not interchangeable at all, and are only similar in appearance.

Agree with Larry afraid today when looking through Rolex blinkered glasses you sometimes have to much time on your hands.

OmegaJJH · 23 August 2016, 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Some of you guys are just making stuff up...

Larry - I did completely and utterly make my post up!

But I clearly stated that it was utter nonsense.

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brandrea · 23 August 2016, 09:10 PM

Interesting observation.

Thanks for the explanation Larry

cht · 24 August 2016, 12:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Some of you guys are just making stuff up...

The GMT hand is different because the center post of the GMT movement is 4x as large (and hollow too) to accommodate the extra 24 hr hand. They are not interchangeable at all, and are only similar in appearance.

Quote:

Originally Posted by padi56

Agree with Larry afraid today when looking through Rolex blinkered glasses you sometimes have to much time on your hands.

After being on this forum for some time...it's clear that is really only a few people that ACTUALLY know what they are talking about.

watchwatcher · 24 August 2016, 01:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cht

After being on this forum for some time...it's clear that is really only a few people that ACTUALLY know what they are talking about.

x2. Thanks Larry for the clarification...did not know that!

tifosi · 24 August 2016, 02:44 AM

Why "should" Rolex have made them the same?

KBM · 24 August 2016, 02:49 AM

Learn something new every day on TRF. Thanks, Larry!

douglasf13 · 24 August 2016, 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tifosi

Why "should" Rolex have made them the same?

Because Rolex increased the lume thickness on the SubC's minute hand, while leaving the hour hand lume thinner, so they don't match anymore. As Larry said, they couldn't use the same hand as the GMT, because it wouldn't fit, but they could have made a new Sub hour hand to match the new, thicker minute hand.

rolexnub · 24 August 2016, 03:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tools

Some of you guys are just making stuff up...

The GMT hand is different because the center post of the GMT movement is 4x as large (and hollow too) to accommodate the extra 24 hr hand. They are not interchangeable at all, and are only similar in appearance.

Thanks for the explanation.

avilhena · 24 August 2016, 03:43 AM

Well, never have noticed it! Nice to know!

Blingtone · 24 August 2016, 04:00 AM

Can't be sure about these newer watches, however, Sub and GMT dials sit at different levels in their relative cases (different waterproof depths), so what we could be seeing is a little bit of an optical illusion.
BUT I do know that definitely on the 5 digit models SS Sports models : Explorer, Explorer II, GMT, Sub (2 & 4 liner), Sub Date, Sea Dweller and maybe YMs (SS) - all shared the same hands.
When I needed to source some 'Explorer Hands' more than one trusted seller on this site with 'ROLEX' spare parts accounts, advised me to order the 16610 handset - and that's what I got, after confirming with ROLEX UK.

19 August 2016, 07:41 AM	#1
rolexnub "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Real Name: Me & Papa Location: Echo Watch: ing TRF Posts: 3,428	Hour hand of the GMT and Sub I am not sure if it is only my eyes or the light (or viewing angle) playing on me but I noticed the hour hand or lumed portion of it on the GMT Ceramic is wider than that of the Sub Ceramic. Rolex should have made the Sub hour hand the same as the GMT. I don’t have a picture right now of my BLNR and SubC side by side but below is a picture I taken from the internet. Comments, thoughts specially from owners of both GMT and Sub? Attached Images

20 August 2016, 12:16 AM	#3
Lordofrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Brandon Location: Los Angeles, CA Watch: Yes Please! Posts: 6,691	seems like that not 100% sure though __________________ Rolex GMT Master II 116710LN Panerai PAM 359 Audemars Piguet RO 15300OR Follow me on Instagram: @b_jakobovich

20 August 2016, 02:20 AM	#9
T. Ferguson "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Left Coast Posts: 7,025	They do appear different but I'm not sure why they should change the hour hand on the Sub to the one on the GMT. __________________ *Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.*

23 August 2016, 02:11 PM	#15
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	Some of you guys are just making stuff up... The GMT hand is different because the center post of the GMT movement is 4x as large (and hollow too) to accommodate the extra 24 hr hand. They are not interchangeable at all, and are only similar in appearance. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

24 August 2016, 02:44 AM	#21
tifosi "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Russ Location: Southern NJ Posts: 5,760	Why "should" Rolex have made them the same? __________________ Russ

20 August 2016, 12:09 AM	#2
mastersub "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: West Coast Posts: 80	Good eye! I only have the GMT right now, but I've been looking at pics online (there are lots of BLNR vs Hulk side-by-side pics) and it does appear that the GMT has a wider stem as well as a larger Mercedes circle.

20 August 2016, 12:18 AM	#4
Danny83 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: Danny Location: Bay Area CA Watch: Yellow Gold Posts: 20,312	Hour hand on the Gmts are wider

20 August 2016, 01:13 AM	#5
OmegaJJH "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: James Location: UK Watch: Rolex & Omega Posts: 6,668	It's because when Diving you are far less likely to be timing in hours. Minutes are far more important when under the water so the minute hand is designed to stand out. When flying you are far more likely to be concerned with the hours so it is pronounced. I've just completely made that up by the way

20 August 2016, 01:14 AM	#6
OmegaJJH "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: James Location: UK Watch: Rolex & Omega Posts: 6,668	My Sub C's hour hand is narrower like the OP's picture. Good spot !!

20 August 2016, 01:34 AM	#7
douglasf13 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: USA Posts: 5,622	Yep. The Sub has a longer and narrower stem with a smaller Mercedes circle.

20 August 2016, 06:11 AM	#12
guy369 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Real Name: Guy Location: Toronto Watch: 116610 Posts: 586	Awesome catch! Also, those two watches are synced up perfectly it looks like

23 August 2016, 12:45 PM	#13
masyv6 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: 35000ft Posts: 3,771	Certainly looks that way!

23 August 2016, 01:59 PM	#14
Tseg "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Real Name: Tom Location: World Traveler Watch: GMT Master II BLNR Posts: 1,583	Much more lume cost in the GMT. #Bargain.

23 August 2016, 09:10 PM	#18
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,089	Interesting observation. Thanks for the explanation Larry

24 August 2016, 02:49 AM	#22
KBM 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: K. Location: 780 Posts: 10,460	Learn something new every day on TRF. Thanks, Larry!

24 August 2016, 03:43 AM	#25
avilhena "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Brazil Posts: 1,139	Well, never have noticed it! Nice to know! __________________ Once you wear the crown, you can never go down.

24 August 2016, 04:00 AM	#26
Blingtone "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Tony Location: Loughton UK Watch: 16610LV no Rehault Posts: 369	Can't be sure about these newer watches, however, Sub and GMT dials sit at different levels in their relative cases (different waterproof depths), so what we could be seeing is a little bit of an optical illusion. BUT I do know that definitely on the 5 digit models SS Sports models : Explorer, Explorer II, GMT, Sub (2 & 4 liner), Sub Date, Sea Dweller and maybe YMs (SS) - all shared the same hands. When I needed to source some 'Explorer Hands' more than one trusted seller on this site with 'ROLEX' spare parts accounts, advised me to order the 16610 handset - and that's what I got, after confirming with ROLEX UK.

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