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Old 29 September 2008, 01:36 PM   #1
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Arabic Numbers on Dials: Misleading

people keep referring to the standard milgauss type dial as having ARABIC NUMERALS ....

This is what arabic numbers looks like:
http://danielschereck.com/wp2002arab...bicnumbers.htm

Any reason why people foolishly keep referring to the display of the milgauss type watch as having Arabic numerals???
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Old 29 September 2008, 01:47 PM   #2
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What people??? The milgauss has a stick dial. How could anyone confuse the two???
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Old 29 September 2008, 01:58 PM   #3
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Do you mean that people sometimes confuse "Arabic" and "Roman" numerals? But Pat's right; the Milgauss has stick (also called baton?) markers.
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Old 29 September 2008, 02:10 PM   #4
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I think he's refering to the WG Daytona dials.
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Old 29 September 2008, 02:11 PM   #5
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Added confusion

I looked at your link and it appears what we consider "arabic" numbers (1,2,3,4 etc) are not really arabic at all!

So what is the proper term then? English-Arabic numberals? Ango-Arab numbers? Are people confusing stick with roman, or roman with arabic, or arabic with ango-arabic???? I'm really confused now.
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Old 29 September 2008, 04:17 PM   #6
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I think maybe Shaz is referring to WG Daytona or that of the AirKing's?
The milgauss I have has only sticks
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Old 29 September 2008, 04:28 PM   #7
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Old 29 September 2008, 06:01 PM   #8
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Do you mean that people sometimes confuse "Arabic" and "Roman" numerals? But Pat's right; the Milgauss has stick (also called baton?) markers.
Stick, baton, or batton markers mean the same thing for all practical purposes, Lisa. Steve explained it to me in a post on a thread where I asked about the difference between stick markers and baton markers.
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Old 29 September 2008, 06:04 PM   #9
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Old 29 September 2008, 06:55 PM   #10
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Arabic numbers just means 12345678910

It does not mean numbers used in the Arabic language
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Old 29 September 2008, 07:11 PM   #11
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Misleading? Foolishly?? ...What are you talking about? The 1,2,3,4 etc. were introduced by the North Arabian people during the early middle ages, who actually got them from the Indians. We call them Arabic numerals opposed to the Roman numerals I, II, III, IV etc., what you are referring to are Eastern Arabian numerals.

Similar as the Roman Empire can refer the Romans from Western Europe (Rome) as well as the Eastern Byzantine Roman Empire, which was controlled from Constantinople, nowadays Turkey . However, the Roman Empire mostly refers to the Western (earlier) Empire.
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Old 29 September 2008, 08:24 PM   #12
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explains it all....
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Old 29 September 2008, 08:34 PM   #13
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Misleading? Foolishly?? ...What are you talking about? The 1,2,3,4 etc. were introduced by the North Arabian people during the early middle ages, who actually got them from the Indians. We call them Arabic numerals opposed to the Roman numerals I, II, III, IV etc., what you are referring to are Eastern Arabian numerals.

Similar as the Roman Empire can refer the Romans from Western Europe (Rome) as well as the Eastern Byzantine Roman Empire, which was controlled from Constantinople, nowadays Turkey . However, the Roman Empire mostly refers to the Western (earlier) Empire.
Pure comedy gold. Bizarre question, on the wrong watch to boot.
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Old 29 September 2008, 09:03 PM   #14
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people keep referring to the standard milgauss type dial as having ARABIC NUMERALS ....

This is what arabic numbers looks like:
http://danielschereck.com/wp2002arab...bicnumbers.htm

Any reason why people foolishly keep referring to the display of the milgauss type watch as having Arabic numerals???
What a great thread - they should make you a mod.
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Old 29 September 2008, 09:20 PM   #15
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From what I have read, milgauss type dials are mostly referred to as Arabic numerals, not stick type numerals ....

Look at the middle paragraph, 4th line from the bottom:
http://blog.breitlingsource.com/2008...rsary-edition/


and in the description, see the 6th paragraph, 4th line:
http://robertmaron.com/product.php?p...cat=267&page=1


I have seen this reference many many times ....
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Thats because it does!! it has "has arabic second in increments of 5" That is true here is mine. see - the 5 10 15 etc etc in orange.



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From what I have read, milgauss type dials are mostly referred to as Arabic numerals, not stick type numerals ....

Look at the middle paragraph, 4th line from the bottom:
http://blog.breitlingsource.com/2008...rsary-edition/


and in the description, see the 6th paragraph, 4th line:
http://robertmaron.com/product.php?p...cat=267&page=1


I have seen this reference many many times ....
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Old 29 September 2008, 09:35 PM   #17
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But where is the Arabic????? I see sticks and I see english numbers.... I do not see any Arabic .... am I blind or something is not right???
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From what I have read, milgauss type dials are mostly referred to as Arabic numerals, not stick type numerals ....

Look at the middle paragraph, 4th line from the bottom:
http://blog.breitlingsource.com/2008...rsary-edition/


and in the description, see the 6th paragraph, 4th line:
http://robertmaron.com/product.php?p...cat=267&page=1


I have seen this reference many many times ....
Pure comedy gold.

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But where is the Arabic????? I see sticks and I see english numbers.... I do not see any Arabic .... am I blind or something is not right???
ok- arabic numbers as someone has already explained,are to denote the difference between arabic numerals I.E (that is) 1, 2, 3 ,4 etc etc. and roman numerals I II II IV V etc etc.

It is the arabic numeral system of using single digits from 1 to 9 rather than the roman method. (see bove)

Arabic in this sense does not mean the language. I hope you get it now
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Old 29 September 2008, 09:40 PM   #20
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so the question becomes, why are sticks referred to as 'Arabic'??? Is it tradition or misinformation? because it is certainly not facts
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Old 29 September 2008, 09:43 PM   #21
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so the question becomes, why are sticks referred to as 'Arabic'??? Is it tradition or misinformation? because it is certainly not facts
nowhere never have sticks been called arabic. please try and read all the information provided to you and understand what is being said
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Old 29 September 2008, 10:53 PM   #22
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Toph is correct. look closely at the picture of his beautiful white Milgauss. You will See Arabic Numbes in Orange above the "stick" toward the bezel. That is wha they are refering to.

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Old 29 September 2008, 11:02 PM   #23
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Dude, are you f*ck*ng with us, or are you dead serious??
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Old 29 September 2008, 11:08 PM   #24
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I think you're all better off just admitting defeat and moving on. Why waste more time on this? You're dealing with someone who is either a real winner, or just a troll.
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Yeap the white dial "normal" Milgauss has the same minutes display in the outer perimeter of the dial as in the Green Glass Milgauss..which means you can place it in a green glass Milgauss and be politically correct...LOL

About the Arabic numbers (Thank god we got them-as they have simplified our lives).

Arabic numbers are also called Hindu-Arabic numbers. This is a better name as it was the Hindus in India who invented the system from about the 4th century BC onwards. This number system spread to the Middle East in about the 9th century AD, where it was used by Arab mathematicians and astronomers. (Muslim scientists used the Babylonian number system, and merchants used the Abjad numerals, a system based on letters, rather like Greek numbers.)

Arabic numbers then spread to Europe. Before this, Europeans were using Roman numbers, with abacuses for calculation. Fibonacci wrote a book about Arabic numbers in the thirteenth century AD. At first, these numbers were very unpopular in Europe, since people were used to using abacuses where you could watch the calculation taking place. But they soon realised how much easier it was to do calculations with Arabic numbers.

Now Arabic numbers are generally used throughout the world for calculation, although systems such as Roman, Greek and Chinese are still used for formal purposes
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Old 30 September 2008, 12:54 AM   #27
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All I was trying to say was that explicitly stating "Arabic" numerals
confuses people.

If you are doing a math problem and I say to you
"Hey, by the way, you did this problem using arabic numerals", I bet you
99.99% of the people in this world will go "What the F#$%?"

If you are using plain numbers, then just call numbers, why create
this extra confusion of going through the trouble of stating "Arabic"???

By the way, I am typing all this and you are reading all this using the
"West Germanic language", according
to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...glish_language
but we just prefer to call it English ...
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All I was trying to say was that explicitly stating "Arabic" numerals
confuses people.

If you are doing a math problem and I say to you
"Hey, by the way, you did this problem using arabic numerals", I bet you
99.99% of the people in this world will go "What the F#$%?"

If you are using plain numbers, then just call numbers, why create
this extra confusion of going through the trouble of stating "Arabic"???

By the way, I am typing all this and you are reading all this using the
"West Germanic language", according
to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History...glish_language
but we just prefer to call it English ...
I respectfully disagree SteelMan. I think any educated person in the English speaking world understands the Term Arabic Numerals as 1,2,3,4 as opposed to Roman Numberals I, II, III, IV... The numbers are not "plain" as you state, but Arabic.

And we're reading English, A (one of 43) West Germanic language. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...anic_languages
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